Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?

[Theunis]

And your post reveals how shallow and myopic you are..

You automatically assumed I am a "Dense" "Know it all"

Now explain to me what you think you know about my education. Or the fact that I am not open minded?

Let me revert to the segment I initially responded to..

There is nothing anyone can do or say to have me not believe there is a God. .

Ps..
You seem to be finding and responding to my recent posts ..

Is there a reason you feel obligated to debate with "an uneducated " individual. .?

Aim higher. .?

Bravo outhouse also tries the same tactics on me!
He appears to be suffering from a superiority complex where he thinks his knowledge is supreme.or perhaps he is just a rebel without pause.

 

[outhouse]

Bravo outhouse also tries the same tactics on me!

he thinks his knowledge is supreme.

You stated you find Jesus important and that your educated, so please tell us what jesus real name is.

Have you gone your whole life not knowing?


Its not about having supreme knowledge, its about having any knowledge on the topic one wishes to debate. Would you jump in a gun fight with a dull knife? Or would you wish to have bullets for your gun?

 

[Theunis]

You stated you find Jesus important and that your educated, so please tell us what jesus real name is.

Have you gone your whole life not knowing?


Its not about having supreme knowledge, its about having any knowledge on the topic one wishes to debate. Would you jump in a gun fight with a dull knife? Or would you wish to have bullets for your gun?

In another post where you asked the same question I did say that you appear to know and that I would like to be informed by you in order that I may increase my knowledge.
I am still waiting for your response.

 

[outhouse]

In another post where you asked the same question I did say that you appear to know and that I would like to be informed by you in order that I may increase my knowledge.
I am still waiting for your response.

Jesus was an Aramaic Galilean, thus his language was not Hebrew, so most peoples answer of Yeshua or Yehoshua is not correct.

In Aramaic his name may have been Isho

 

[psychoslice]

Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?............well if there was, I would be in a religion, but no way could I be in a religion that only has faith, for that would be blind faith, not for me personally.

 

[Theunis]

Jesus was an Aramaic Galilean, thus his language was not Hebrew, so most peoples answer of Yeshua or Yehoshua is not correct.

In Aramaic his name may have been Isho

Yes I know he spoke Aramaic but to say his name may have been can be ascribed to guess work on your part. So lets face it your question to me regarding me knowing his original name or not was rather useless for you cannot enlighten me with the true facts!
The names given to him by Jews and others are for them correct or explanations of how they saw him. eg Saul of Tarsus became Paul and Simon became Peter. We also have it that the G_d of Abraham changed Abraham's name and the names of others because that is how he perceived them to be.

 

[Theunis]

Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?............well if there was, I would be in a religion, but no way could I be in a religion that only has faith, for that would be blind faith, not for me personally.

In Psychology "blind" faith is sometimes a necessity to help overcome the hurdles before us. Yet to live your entire life on blind faith is a non-acceptance of reality. It is like moving into a catatonic state.

 

[psychoslice]

In Psychology "blind" faith is sometimes a necessity to help overcome the hurdles before us. Yet to live your entire life on blind faith is a non-acceptance of reality. It is like moving into a catatonic state.

Yes and I agree with this, too many make camp in their particular belief system, they become comfortable and never progress from there.

 

[outhouse]

So lets face it your question to me regarding me knowing his original name or not was rather useless for you cannot enlighten me with the true facts!

There is no such thing as fact in history. But thanks for letting us know how you personally want it to work not knowing what your debating. Galilean Aramaic was different from Jerusalem Aramaic. And very few examples of this Galilean exist to give you certainties that do not exist.

You were not even in the ballpark to the best possibility. A non answer equals ignorance on the specific topic.

Isho is Aramaic for Jesus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

Aramaic/Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)

Simon became Peter

Nicknamed Cephas

We also have it that the G_d of Abraham changed Abraham's name and the names of others because that is how he perceived them to be.

Abraham factually has no historicity as ever existing and by all rights he is a literary creation.

 

[Theunis]

There is no such thing as fact in history. But thanks for letting us know how you personally want it to work not knowing what your debating. Galilean Aramaic was different from Jerusalem Aramaic. And very few examples of this Galilean exist to give you certainties that do not exist.

You were not even in the ballpark to the best possibility. A non answer equals ignorance on the specific topic.

Isho is Aramaic for Jesus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_(name)

Aramaic/Syriac ܝܫܘܥ (Isho)




Nicknamed Cephas





Abraham factually has no historicity as ever existing and by all rights he is a literary creation.

Whose "facts"are these?

Aw gee why couldn't you say so in the first place instead of running around to find me an answer?
So hey if Isho is Aramaic for Jesus what was his actual Aramaic name. In the language of the day (Greek) they named him Jesus but was this an actual translation of Isho ? or is Isho the translation of Jesus to Aramaic. Your answer seems to point in this direction!

I am all ears to partake of your further wisdom and knowledge.

 

[Theunis]

Abraham factually has no historicity as ever existing and by all rights he is a literary creation.

Oh, Oh how come the Jews claim him to be their ancestor and even trace their lineage to him ?
Does this mean you are brushing the Jewish history aside?

 

[outhouse]

Oh, Oh how come the Jews claim him to be their ancestor and even trace their lineage to him ?

Because they were beat down so many times they had no clue of their own origins.

If you did not know, there was no static Israelite culture, there were multiple cultures of Semitic people was lived near each other that shared similar mythology and theology. Not Jews early on.

Does this mean you are brushing the Jewish history aside?

There is no such thing as Jewish history in that context.

There is Israelite theology and mythology in biblical text that often has parables, metaphors, song, and allegory, mythology, fiction, non fiction, and history, ALL written in rhetorical prose.

Much of the biblical text is factually not historical. And only with education can you determine what is and is not historical. or even begin to build up a credible glimpse into the past.

 

[Theunis]

Because they were beat down so many times they had no clue of their own origins.

If you did not know, there was no static Israelite culture, there were multiple cultures of Semitic people was lived near each other that shared similar mythology and theology. Not Jews early on.



There is no such thing as Jewish history in that context.

There is Israelite theology and mythology in biblical text that often has parables, metaphors, song, and allegory, mythology, fiction, non fiction, and history, ALL written in rhetorical prose.

Much of the biblical text is factually not historical. And only with education can you determine what is and is not historical. or even begin to build up a credible glimpse into the past.

Your stories do not rhyme with those told to me on the about.com Judaism Forum. I am inclined to believe them and not you.

 

[outhouse]

Your stories do not rhyme with those told to me on the about.com Judaism Forum. I am inclined to believe them and not you.

We do not care where you chose to find your information. But it is not a credible source, and if I had students, that would be the last place I would send them

Why don't you try reading some William Dever and or Israel Finkelstein and get to the most knowledgeable people on the topic?

 

[outhouse]

Your stories do not rhyme with those told to me on the about.com Judaism Forum

Then that place is literally worthless historically speaking.

By the way everything I say here, can be sources to a credible scholar or university.


Refuse what I offer and your only refusing academia.

 

[Theunis]

Then that place is literally worthless historically speaking.

Which just confirms that you have made up your mind and you do not wish to confronted with the facts.

 

[Theunis]

We do not care where you chose to find your information. But it is not a credible source, and if I had students, that would be the last place I would send them

Why don't you try reading some William Dever and or Israel Finkelstein and get to the most knowledgeable people on the topic?

You know naught of that forum nor the brilliant students I met there so stop your nonsensical rhetoric concerning where I find my information by quoting persons who fall into your narrow view of having superior knowledge.

 

[outhouse]

Which just confirms that you have made up your mind and you do not wish to confronted with the facts.

You have brought no facts to this forum for me to even confront.

 

[outhouse]

You know naught of that forum nor the brilliant students I met there so stop your nonsensical rhetoric concerning where I find my information

Stop.

You cannot replace professors and universities with a forum

It took me 25 years to find out why the whiteman was never to know who they are

After that quote, I'm not sure you can dig you way out of much seems racist to me.

 

[Theunis]

Stop.

You cannot replace professors and universities with a forum

After that quote, I'm not sure you can dig you way out of much seems racist to me.

Your understanding of things esoteric is totally missing. Try a bit of Buddhism to open your mind and heart.
I have previously said ALL realities are my reality and I embrace the Universe. Racism thus cannot nor does it exist in my world. Poor man know then that where others throw in the towel I persist; I dug for twenty-five years; found what I had to and saw that in our day it no longer held any significance for a new era has since begun.

Who said, except you, that I was attempting to replace them with a forum? They quoted many of their present day professor and spiritual leaders. Your knowledge of them etc is rather mediocre.