McBell
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Now I know you are not going to understand this, but turning the question around does not help your credibility any.
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Is there any religious argument that actually stands when scrutinized with reason?
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cambridge79
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McBell
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As if he would know....that's because you're not scrutinizing his question with wisdom
You realize that "atheists", "agnostics" and "skeptics" are all different, do you not? An atheist is someone who doesn't believe that gods exist, an agnostic is a person who says that they do not have certainty about a position (who can be either a theist or an atheist) and a skeptic is someone who withholds accepting a claim until sufficient evidence is provided for that claim (who can also be either a theist or an atheist).
And why did you replace the word "reason" with "wisdom" when you reworded the OP?
cambridge79
Active Member
in his view there are not such subtile differences, whoever doesn't accept the Quran ( the way he accept it ) is unwise.
he replaced the word because he wants to suggest there's no wisdom in rationalty, wich is like saying that when choosing between reality and what you want to believe the wise thing to do is dismiss reality and stick to what you want to believe.
As noticed by Mestemia he is not probably aware this is not helping him in any way.
paarsurrey
Veteran Member
It was my comment on the OP. I don't have to do in the same words.
What is wrong with it?
Wisdom is reason ++.
Regards
Well, yes.
As a matter of fact, you have just described just about all of the worthwhile arguments that humanity ever had or will have.
Well now in what way does the following definition of wisdom exclude religions ?
******************** Quote ******************
wis·dom
ˈwizdəm/
noun
noun: wisdom
the quality of having experience, knowledge, and good judgment; the quality of being wise.
synonyms: sagacity, intelligence, sense, common sense, shrewdness, astuteness, smartness, judiciousness, judgment, prudence, circumspection;More
logic, rationale, rationality, soundness, advisability
"we questioned the wisdom of the decision"
antonyms: folly, stupidity
- the soundness of an action or decision with regard to the application of experience, knowledge, and good judgment.
"some questioned the wisdom of building the dam so close to an active volcano"
synonyms: sagacity, intelligence, sense, common sense, shrewdness, astuteness, smartness, judiciousness, judgment, prudence, circumspection;More
logic, rationale, rationality, soundness, advisability
"we questioned the wisdom of the decision"
antonyms: folly, stupidity - the body of knowledge and principles that develops within a specified society or period.
plural noun: wisdoms
"the traditional farming wisdom of India"
synonyms: knowledge, learning, erudition, sophistication, scholarship, philosophy;
lore
"the wisdom of tradition" - ********************** Unquote ************************
That is a mighty bold claim.
Cold - uncaring.?
In simplistic terms consider the claim that God created this earth and he also asked the earth to bring forth its own (Genesis 1:26). Together they provided all things mankind needs. If he/It was uncaring why would he/It do this for us ? Why would he let the sun warm us and why would there be the warmth of love for others. Is it his/its fault the we, freewill humans, don't always extend our compassion, warmth and love to others. Must we be all pre-programmed zombies?
But those oh so available scapegoats, God and the Devil they are always there for us to project our non-acceptance and culpability for what we do and don't do. We cannot fathom nor discern a God in the works or the world that surround us, so we deny or fabricate one.
Consider this - First the Titans made the Gods, then the Gods made man and then Man made God in his image.
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Prometheus 11 said "There is no evidence for God."
For those who believe Jesus is the son of God - God must exist for if he didn't how could he father a son ?
serp777
Well-Known Member
There are however good odds that your particular interpretation of God is wrong, based on the vast number of interpretations and different religions that are mutually exclusive.
serp777
Well-Known Member
There is one good one--show me the evidence. Generally that's pretty solid.
buddhist
Well-Known Member
I completely agree. After personally examining many different religions and their various sects, I came to the conclusion that early Buddhism, with its emphasis on "empirical investigation" and observation, was the only one which matched my standard for rationality.
In regards to Buddhism and theism: As you probably know, the Tathagata neither accepted nor denied the existence of an "Creator God". However, in the instances where he did speak of a creator, he identified the creator as us, as individuals. It is an interesting subject to consider, in context and consideration of nibbana.
I look forward to discussing more with you in these forums.
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No one seems to be interested or they get scared and vanish as a tiny dot over the horizon
Thus for about the fourth time - negate or refute this claim as found in the OT. - As you believe so it will be unto you or put another way - as you think so you are.
In modern times many are taught they are useless and they believe it to be so and thus never rise above their indoctrination. !
Well the way I see it none are totally mutually exclusive for they have many overlapping doctrines.
http://www.answers.com/Q/Are_religions_mutually_exclusive
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Yes. Cold and uncaring. The universe does nothing to help or hurt. Consider infectious diseases and massive mudslides when you consider sun and rain.
The universe is evidence for the universe. There is no evidence for God that cannot be claimed as evidence for some other invisible, undetectable being.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Well, it's why learned people like top scientists, philosophers, mathematicians and the like use mathematics and chemistry exactly the same but disagree on God.
prometheus11
Well-Known Member
Weak.
That's like saying the frog on my porch couldn't be there unless he flew to that spot.
Alright, if you say so.