Is there proof God can not exist?

[Falvlun]

science hasnt had evolution wrong, nor will evolution ever be wrong.

I only admit religion has had science wrong because it poked its neck into something it should have never been messing with. And truth be told it started out fine because the authors never intended a literal translation. Religion messed that all up. NOT SCIENCE.

I was just responding to this statement from you: "there is historical proof man has made all the gods before the ancient hebrews wrote about their god. I think it would be special pleading to say they are the only ones who got it right."

If you don't want to apply that criteria to everything-- eg, "if we historically got something wrong before, then it's special pleading to say that we got it right this time"-- then you are the one, in fact, actually guilty of special pleading.

I was not responding to anything else.

 

[outhouse]

if we historically got something wrong before

explain this

your whole statement is very confusing

 

[Koldo]

explain this

your whole statement is very confusing

What he is saying is pretty simple actually.

If you were a scientist born centuries ago, you would swear for your life that the Earth is plain, for example.

 

[outhouse]

What he is saying is pretty simple actually.

If you were a scientist born centuries ago, you would swear for your life that the Earth is plain, for example.

I think there may be more to it because what I wrote was very simple.


out of a thousand gods and deitys that were created before the abrahamic god, how do you know the ancient hebrews got this one out of a thousand right?????

thousands of years ago scientist did not exist as they do today, they were not responsible to report anything. Reigion's wrote down down things they did not understand at all, in my opinion when they did not know a answer, they claimed a god or deity did it. They created gods powers when today we know these were simple ancient mistakes for things they didnt know. When this didnt happen ancient hebrews wrote their allegorical books and then later after they were long dead and a thousand years past, people took a literal interpreation wrongly in my opinion.

how does what he stated apply????

 

[outhouse]

Is there proof God can not exist?

it is my opinion that we know ancient hebrews wrote the bible, Therefor ancient hebrews created the god within its pages.

To me the fact man created a god is proof he does not exist.

the historical mistakes within the bibles pages to me prove there was no deity at work, the deity i believe they created also has ancient human qualities that mirror its writers in my opinion. More proof in my eyes

all my personal opinion

 

[waitasec]

I'm referring to the God that is in dispute..(?) The God that everyone keeps debating about and assuring is just a fantasy. The one that some say created the universe

irreconcilable. no one observed creation in real time to verify this claim

or answers prayers

irreconcilable, no one has been able to negotiate with indifference

or judges human kind

irreconcilable. no one has verified the authenticity of such a claim

or provides and afterlife.

irreconcilable. no one has empirical evidence of such a claim

I am fishing around because I don't believe you can say it is not possible. That's all. no biggie

is your belief based on comfort and hope which reconciles these disputes?

 

[Falvlun]

I think there may be more to it because what I wrote was very simple.
out of a thousand gods and deitys that were created before the abrahamic god, how do you know the ancient hebrews got this one out of a thousand right?????

How do you know they didn't? You were providing the concept that people got the question wrong previously as proof that they got it wrong this time too. I was objecting that this is a poor piece of evidence, since that is how the whole history of our body of knowledge goes: We get it wrong hundreds of times before we get it right one time.

I was also objecting to the idea that it would be considered "special pleading"-- a specific fallacy-- to claim that you got the question right even though other people got it wrong, since again, this is generally how we obtain knowledge.

 

[Falvlun]

Is there proof God can not exist?

it is my opinion that we know ancient hebrews wrote the bible, Therefor ancient hebrews created the god within its pages.

You have not proved that the Hebrews created God, simply because they wrote the Bible.

To me the fact man created a god is proof he does not exist.

Does the fact that man creates artificial diamonds mean that diamonds don't exist?

You have also not proven, though you've stated it multiple times, that man has indeed created, fabricated, these gods. How do you know this? Or do you simply believe this?

the historical mistakes within the bibles pages to me prove there was no deity at work, the deity i believe they created also has ancient human qualities that mirror its writers in my opinion. More proof in my eyes

all my personal opinion

There are other explanations besides "no deity", such as "deity does not care that there are mistakes", or "mistakes were intended by deity to be meaningful in some other sense" or "deity is fallible" or "humans were fallible despite deity being present."

But, as you say, it's all just personal opinion.

 

[outhouse]

How do you know they didn't? You were providing the concept that people got the question wrong previously as proof that they got it wrong this time too. I was objecting that this is a poor piece of evidence, since that is how the whole history of our body of knowledge goes: We get it wrong hundreds of times before we get it right one time.

a thousand was wrong before using this same logic that dictates the outcome in opinion.

now there is no proof at all they got it right this time. None. As a matter of fact they did state things in this new thought that have been proven dead wrong, putting this idea further away from a real possibility and reality in my opinion.

so it would be special pleading to state differently in my opinion.

 

[outhouse]

You have not proved that the Hebrews created God, simply because they wrote the Bible.

they created the book. is thi a fact? yes it is

then would it not be a fact they created everything whithin its pages???

Does the fact that man creates artificial diamonds mean that diamonds don't exist?

irrelevent to the conversation

no true scotsman

that man has indeed created, fabricated, these gods

no,,, its how do you know they did'nt

I have stated this is my opinion. nothing more

But, as you say, it's all just personal opinion.

correct

but here is a important factor

if there were no humans, guess what no deitys exist either lol

 

[Falvlun]

a thousand was wrong before using this same logic that dictates the outcome in opinion.

now there is no proof at all they got it right this time. None. As a matter of fact they did state things in this new thought that have been proven dead wrong, putting this idea further away from a real possibility and reality in my opinion.

so it would be special pleading to state differently in my opinion.

You are a fool to believe that science has gotten everything completely right up to this point. Does that mean that future discoveries, theories, will be just as suspect as you are subjecting these religious beliefs, since afterall, they will be using the same methodology that produced the false conclusions?

 

[Falvlun]

they created the book. is thi a fact? yes it is

then would it not be a fact they created everything whithin its pages???

I am writing this sentence but it is my dog telling me what to write. So is am I creating this post or is my dog?

irrelevent to the conversation

no true scotsman

You sure do like just throwing out names of fallacies. Would you care to elaborate how this is a "no true scotsman". Because, the way I see it, you claimed that if humans create something, then that is proof that every such instance of that something is an instance of creation by humans. I used an easy example to show that humans can create something and that the something can also exist naturally in its own right.

no,,, its how do you know they did'nt

You made a positive claim that the Hebrews and others fabricated their gods. Can you prove this? If not, then that is all it is: an unsubstantiated claim.

but here is a important factor

if there were no humans, guess what no deitys exist either lol

And that is just an opinion, as you have acknowledged.

 

[outhouse]

You are a fool to believe that science has gotten everything completely right up to this point.

what is scientific theory is wrong????

 

[outhouse]

You made a positive claim that the Hebrews and others fabricated their gods. Can you prove this? If not, then that is all it is: an unsubstantiated claim.

Do you think, he who put pen to paper fabricated their deity.????

has all biblical writing been honest and never stretched the truth???

does the bible for instance have %100 literal accuracy?????

 

[Falvlun]

what is scientific theory is wrong????

I don't know, but the future will tell us.

For instance, it was originally believed that heavier objects fell faster than lighter objects. Galileo disproved this. Then Newton comes along and describes gravity as the force between two objects, the larger the object, the more force it exerts. Then Einstein comes along and tweaks the concept even further. And it's not like we've stopped with Einstein.

 

[Falvlun]

Do you think, he who put pen to paper fabricated their deity.????

has all biblical writing been honest and never stretched the truth???

does the bible for instance have %100 literal accuracy?????

I do not think so, but is 100% literal accuracy necessary for the existence of a deity?

 

[outhouse]

but is 100% literal accuracy necessary for the existence of a deity?

I think it would be if you wanted your god to be credible.

if the pages are the source of said deity you would want to drop as much myth as possible. In some religions you find the opposite.

I find it hard to believe someone who states something that isnt accurate or completely fabricated in one book then in another im supposed to believe everything as stated. Top that with 0 proof of said deity to begin with and questions come up.

 

[Falvlun]

I think it would be if you wanted your god to be credible.

if the pages are the source of said deity you would want to drop as much myth as possible. In some religions you find the opposite.

I find it hard to believe someone who states something that isnt accurate or completely fabricated in one book then in another im supposed to believe everything as stated. Top that with 0 proof of said deity to begin with and questions come up.

I already gave other possible reasons why a holy book may not be 100% accurate. The conclusion "there is no god" may be supported by the lack of accuracy, but it is certainly not the only possible conclusion.

 

[Orbital]

what is scientific theory is wrong????

The theories that arose from quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity cannot both be right in relation to gravity. They are both wrong, although they predict certain phenomenons in their fields with great accuracy.

I'm sure you have heard of this problem.

 

[outhouse]

The theories that arose from quantum mechanics and the theory of relativity cannot both be right in relation to gravity

it doesnt mean there wrong.

we dont know allot about gravity, we have a theory that explains what it does but cause is something all together different, they have been working on this when science began.

I have read the book on relativity a few times but still rusty depite my efforts

this explains allot about our current stance, doesnt mean its wrong at all.

[wiki link relativity]

Many predictions of general relativity differ significantly from those of classical physics, especially concerning the passage of time, the geometry of space, the motion of bodies in free fall, and the propagation of light. Examples of such differences include gravitational time dilation, the gravitational redshift of light, and the gravitational time delay. General relativity's predictions have been confirmed in all observations and experiments to date. Although general relativity is not the only relativistic theory of gravity, it is the simplest theory that is consistent with experimental data. However, unanswered questions remain, the most fundamental being how general relativity can be reconciled with the laws of quantum physics to produce a complete and self-consistent theory of quantum gravity.