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Is There Really Something Wrong with You?

839311

Well-Known Member
Many have been taught all their lives that there is something wrong with them. Since childhood they have been taught they are sinners, flawed and imperfect in the eyes of God. They have been taught they can't make it on their own that they are destined for a fiery pit for all their failures, sins, and imperfections. The solution religion offers is that God forgives and says it's all OK. Of course, they must believe.


Being told one is imperfect and flawed drives one to attain perfection. People fight and fight everyday to be perfect. Failure is deemed as the shame, flaw, sin that God and mankind cannot stand. People fear failure to the point where they take no action just to avoid it. Frozen from action to avoid the judgment and shame from others. We dare not show our imperfections!!


Is there really something wrong with you???? One must ask: Why would God create imperfection??? That does not seem like the actions of a Perfect Being, now does it?? Could it be that there is nothing wrong with you and it's just mankind who wants you to believe there is??? After all, if you don't have the problem, you don't need them to find the solution,thereby guiding you to their will.


OK! OK! Let's take a few steps back to get a bigger picture. Everything about God always adds up. This will as well. Did God create the imperfection that is us???? Let's THINK! What does it take to be perfect?? One could build a machine that makes widgets. It could be designed to manufacture a perfect widget. Making a free thinking, free acting person would take a lot more. The increased variables would make perfection much harder to come by. This free thinking person would have to have knowledge of both good and bad, success and failure in order to determine the perfect answer every time. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE ARE DOING EVERYDAY IN LIFE???? We are perfection in creation. We just aren't through being created yet! It takes a long learning process to understand it all. This must include good, evil, happy, sad, success, failure, and all aspects of life. God is creating perfection in us. He's not through doing it.


We should not cast such things as failure aside. It is part of the great process of perfection. Remember, no matter what anyone says bad about you, it won't matter unless you value it. We are the ones who choose what we deem important in our lives not someone else. You cannot be the person you are today without the past failures, successes, adversity, and interaction with others. Never run from who you are, a child of God on the great road to perfection.


If you ever feel like you don't fit in or are out of place in this world, know that you are exactly who those around you need in their lives. How could we ever learn from each other if we were all alike???? Share that which is special about yourself with others. If they grumble and groan, chuckle knowing they must be having a few growing pains. We all do from time to time.


God does not see His children as evil, sinning, flawed, beings. God sees the beauty in us all. He knows we are wonderful works of art!! Each one unique and special working toward the perfection that we really are. God is never going to do without His children. That's why you are eternal. God loves you very much. BE WHO YOU MUST!!!! IT'S A PART OF THE PLAN!!!!

Its been a while since I came across a post this refreshing :). I hope God(s) exists and that he will take care of everyone.
 

SBrent

Member
If you describe God as perfect, then anything other than God is surely imperfect by implication. Therefore, one could argue if we are not perfect there is indeed something wrong with us.

As a result I don’t see how God is creating perfection in ‘us’, or trying to, because if God is the perfect state of being, how could that truly come about anyway. We would have to be God to be perfect.
And the idea that God is some omnipotent being who decides who’ll be bad and who’ll be good doesn’t quite sit right either. Surely we decide that every moment by what we choose to do.
As you yourself stated, ‘We are the ones who choose what we deem important in our lives not someone else’
It can be a bit of a cop out and convenient excuse to say ‘God’ meant it to be that way.
Perhaps it is the leading of a righteous life, whatever that may ultimately be, that leads us away from wrong, and nearer to a perfect state (or God, for want of a better word).
 
He simply returns your actions back to you. .

so what you're talking about is cause and effect.
the principle of cause and effect does not require any outside hosting. so, it would make the most sense not to assume there is one. simply to allow the result of certain actions change the frequency of your committing those actions. no gods required.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Its been a while since I came across a post this refreshing :). I hope God(s) exists and that he will take care of everyone.
THanks for the kind words. God does exist. He will take care of things. It wouldn't really be intelligent for Him not too.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
If you describe God as perfect, then anything other than God is surely imperfect by implication. Therefore, one could argue if we are not perfect there is indeed something wrong with us.

As a result I don’t see how God is creating perfection in ‘us’, or trying to, because if God is the perfect state of being, how could that truly come about anyway. We would have to be God to be perfect.
And the idea that God is some omnipotent being who decides who’ll be bad and who’ll be good doesn’t quite sit right either. Surely we decide that every moment by what we choose to do.
As you yourself stated, ‘We are the ones who choose what we deem important in our lives not someone else’
It can be a bit of a cop out and convenient excuse to say ‘God’ meant it to be that way.
Perhaps it is the leading of a righteous life, whatever that may ultimately be, that leads us away from wrong, and nearer to a perfect state (or God, for want of a better word).
Are you so sure you have to be God to be perfect?? I found a lady who makes the perfect birthday cake. No doubt she learned how. Don't you see? God doesn't have to decide what is good or bad for you. You will decide this when it returns to you. Only when you discover what bad choices really mean will you always choose goodness. When you say righteous life, you are making judgment calls on good and bad as you deem God has to. Righteousness is too often used to judge and compare so that many can feel superior to others. It's it just another form of hate?? When one does goodness, one should not be seeking glory.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
so what you're talking about is cause and effect.
the principle of cause and effect does not require any outside hosting. so, it would make the most sense not to assume there is one. simply to allow the result of certain actions change the frequency of your committing those actions. no gods required.
Yes, cause and effect. It's part of the learning process. The first thing God showed me once I discovered Him was that mankind carries a very narrow vision. I must work on mine everyday. Often times when a discovery is made we then discover the complexity runs even deeper. Like an onion, there are layers and layers of understanding. While you believe God does not exist, you limit yourself from the possibilities. If God exists, then He can be found. If you care for the real truth, you must search until you either find God or find proof God does not exist. Isn't this a scientific approach??? Sometimes people who search find what the search for. Hmmm??? Where does one look for God???? Like with all learning and knowledge, it's a test of intelligence. A clue to get you started. All the secrets of the universe stare us in the face. They are all around us. Can you see???? Perhaps, it's worth another look.
 
While you believe God does not exist, you limit yourself from the possibilities. If God exists, then He can be found. If you care for the real truth, you must search until you either find God or find proof God does not exist. .

there's an invisible dragon living in my garage.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
there's an invisible dragon living in my garage.
Should I care what's in your garage?? Finding an invisible dragon will not impact my life. Finding God will. Of course if one isn't unwilling to search for truth, can one ever expect to find it??? Your path in life is your choice. Believing has never been important to God. I do like God does. I place the truth out there. What you do with truth is all up to you.
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I am what I am.
Indeed. The thing that gets me is that I know that I exist, but am not so sure about the validity of our primitive god concepts. Hypotheticals are fascinating, but Reality rocks.

I do like God does. I place the truth out there. What you do with truth is all up to you.
Ah, the cosmic cop-out. Not terribly impressive thinking, my friend. Truth is relative to the understanding at hand.
 
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Dan4reason

Facts not Faith
It is written in the bible that the natural man is an enemy to God. It seems as if God has a way with creating enemies. The Christian religion teaches that we are very flawed and would deserve hellfire if it were not for Jesus. I find it important that we remember that we are flawed and can do better. People should be ambitious and pursue self-improvement. However, people must also think positively about all that they accomplish and how lucky they are to be alive. A God of the bible would have created people knowing perfectly well what they would do and were they would go after they die. In a way, God would have the power to engineer our fates.
 
Finding an invisible dragon will not impact my life.

if you care for real truth you will either search until you find the invisible dragon or until you have proof that she does not exist.

because finding out that there is an invisible dragon in my garage would impact me precisely as much as if there was a god. probably more, considering i occasionally need to use my garage for things.

please purge your comments of special pleading.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Indeed. The thing that gets me is that I know that I exist, but am not so sure about the validity of our primitive god concepts. Hypotheticals are fascinating, but Reality rocks.

Ah, the cosmic cop-out. Not terribly impressive thinking, my friend. Truth is relative to the understanding at hand.
Don't you know???? It's all a test of intelligence. One must work at discovery rather than expect all the answers to fall in one's lap. Are you working?????
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
It is written in the bible that the natural man is an enemy to God. It seems as if God has a way with creating enemies. The Christian religion teaches that we are very flawed and would deserve hellfire if it were not for Jesus. I find it important that we remember that we are flawed and can do better. People should be ambitious and pursue self-improvement. However, people must also think positively about all that they accomplish and how lucky they are to be alive. A God of the bible would have created people knowing perfectly well what they would do and were they would go after they die. In a way, God would have the power to engineer our fates.
God is much more than you can find in any book. You won't understand God through religion. Just like all the physics of this world, God will always add up. If you tell me the bible adds up completely, I have to question your thinking. So many times religion goes against science but science is really walking toward God. The difference between religion and science is that science will correct errors discovered. In time, this will be religion's downfall. Mankind will become wiser and wiser. The errors will slowly become visible to more and more.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
if you care for real truth you will either search until you find the invisible dragon or until you have proof that she does not exist.

because finding out that there is an invisible dragon in my garage would impact me precisely as much as if there was a god. probably more, considering i occasionally need to use my garage for things.

please purge your comments of special pleading.
Pleading????? Is it pleading to place truth out for others to see??? I need no followers as religion. I do not wish to direct your path. Be who you must! It's a part of the plan! One should always be open for the possibilities whether in science, religion, or any aspect of life. A closed mind discovers nothing. Have you found that there is no information that you hunger to discover??? Has religion hurt you so badly that you have an excuse to do nothing?? Go out watch the stars at night. Think about your life. Bring the magic back. Start with wonder.
 
I do not wish to direct your path. Be who you must! It's a part of the plan!... Go out watch the stars at night. Think about your life. Bring the magic back. Start with wonder.

you know i took your advice, and i went out and watched the stars at night. it was really magical, i couldn't believe i had been so closed minded. so i went inside, got down on my knees, and thanked the invisible dragon in my garage for creating me and making me special. thank you so much for helping me see the light. i was so empty without the love of my invisible dragon, and i was so stubborn that i couldn't see how much she wanted to know me and take care of me.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
you know i took your advice, and i went out and watched the stars at night. it was really magical, i couldn't believe i had been so closed minded. so i went inside, got down on my knees, and thanked the invisible dragon in my garage for creating me and making me special. thank you so much for helping me see the light. i was so empty without the love of my invisible dragon, and i was so stubborn that i couldn't see how much she wanted to know me and take care of me.
Those who know it all rarely discover anything. Change is part of the system. We do have eternity so there is no hurry. I do find it sad that you do not hunger to learn anything. It is part of what makes the journey grand. Perhaps the need has not presented itself.
 
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