I acknowledge this, but I consider it an ancient perspective with different interpretations.. I was just giving my perspective of the nature of the foundation of our physical existence grounded in Quantum Nothingness.
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Is there "Something" in empty space that we can't see ?
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I acknowledge this, but I consider it an ancient perspective with different interpretations.. I was just giving my perspective of the nature of the foundation of our physical existence grounded in Quantum Nothingness.
gnostic
The Lost One
No, not quite.
The universe was completely in plasma state, only in the first 377,000 years after the Big Bang, meaning prior to the Recombination Epoch.
Before the Recombination Epoch, electrons wouldn’t bond with atoms, because the temperature were very high, so electron-less atoms were all ionized.
So while atoms remained in plasma state, the universe was not only hot, it was also opaque and photons couldn’t move freely in space, because the heat made photons to be re-aborbed by the plasma.
The Recombination Epoch (RcE) was when the electrons were bonded to the atomic nuclei, causing the atoms to become electrically neutral for the first time.
This bonding event during RcE, caused the universe to be not entirely plasma, and the universe became transparent and cooler than all other earlier epochs. The bonding also cause photons to decouple and moving freely through space, which left residual heat signature that are detectable, which you might know (or might not know, depending if you done your research on the BB model) as CMBR (Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation).
CMBR was predicted 21 years after Lemaître published his hypothesis on the expanding universe model (1927), called Hypothesis of Primeval Atom; a team of physicists in 1948:
- Alpher and Herman predicted about CMBR,
- while Gamow and Alpher wrote about Big Bang Nucleosynthesis (BBN), which explain how atom nucleus around protons and neutrons.
Like, I said earlier, these atomic nuclei weren’t bonded with electrons, so the earliest elements - hydrogen, deuterium, helium and lithium - were all ionized.
So for approximately 377,000 years, the whole universe was in plasma state. The Recombination Epoch changed the state of the universe, and the first photons could travel freely in mostly non-plasma universe, as cosmic background radiation (CBR).
CMBR was first discovered by Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson in 1964, and since then other radio telescopes could detect CMBR, including space telescopes like COBE, WMAP and Planck probe, mapping the earliest universe.
Plasma still exist throughout the universe timeline after the Recombination Epoch, mostly as H II regions, which comprised of Giant Molecular Clouds of most ionized gases, especially hydrogen atoms. It is these regions in space that helped form most stars. The stars themselves are mostly made out of plasma of hydrogen, eg the surface, the outer layers of the stars, and even the core.
Anyway, the universe was only entirely in plasma state PRIOR TO the Recombination Epoch.
Did any of that make sense?
gnostic
The Lost One
I think you have misunderstood the Big Bang model.
There was no creation of “empty-space” before the Big Bang.
The expansion of the universe was also the expansion of space. So when the universe exponentially, so did space.
If you think there is space and time outside of the universe, then you have been misinformed or you had misunderstood the theory.
And lastly space isn’t “empty”, as others have already explained this to you.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I think that all space was produced at the same time. There is no empty space because smashed atoms and particles are everywhere.
But I do like the idea of nothingness, maybe this is a vastness between universes!?
On Physics' present model of the early universe there was not, and has never been, space that was/is truly empty. Instead even the emptiest spaces in the further void still have in them 'the energy of the vacuum', a particle field that is very cold (very low energy) but never absent.
No. On our present understanding the emptiest spaces in the universe are never strictly empty.
It took a long time to develop techniques to manipulate eg single atoms or single photons, but I don't know any reason in principle why we can't detect and measure ('see' might not always be the appropriate word) all the elements of nature that can interact with our detectors.
If some subatomic particle can't be detected, we have no basis for saying it's real, Even such a mighty instrument as the LHC has limitations, but it was sufficient to detect at least one version of the Higgs boson, until then only a hypothetical entity.
For the masters/clairvoyant/seers of the Vedic (Hindu), Theosophical and other related wisdom traditions it is their direct observation and not speculation.
There are many traditions saying similar things. In my analysis I believe the wisdom traditions I mentioned have reached the highest level of understanding that mankind has attained. My reasoning is based on 'all things considered' after many years of consideration.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Definitely. I think macro and micro dimensions are infinite.
gnostic
The Lost One
I am not versed in the Veda, so can you quote where it say there are more than 4 dimensions - the “higher dimensions” - that you mentioned where the paranormal exist?
Where are the higher dimensions in the Veda that you are talking about?
They are around us but not directly detectable by our physical senses evolved to give us information in three dimensions.
Clairvoyants/seers/masters claim direct observation of these dimensions through psychic senses (extra sensory perception).
gnostic
The Lost One
These are still your claims, George.
You say they are not your claims, but those found in among clairvoyants, seers and masters of the Vedic, and in wisdom traditions.
I told you I am not versed in the vedas, so I have asked you to cite some passages of the Vedic literature that talk of “higher dimensions” which you believe these people can directly perceive these dimensions through esp.
That’s what I am asking you - cite some passages about the extra dimensions, not more claims of what you believe.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
That makes no sense, as the universe IS space.
Technically, there's no such thing as "empty space". What looks like empty space, has all kinds of things going on in it... virtual particles popping in and out of existence, quantum fluctuations etc.
Here's a gif showing the quantum activity in "empty" space. A nobel prize was handed out for this discovery:
None of this makes any sense in light of what big bang theory actually is all about.
It's painfully obvious that you didn't even attempt at reading up and informing yourself.
the "big bang of stars"? What on earth are you on about?
1. there's no such thing as "empty" space
2. the universe = space (and time, aka space-time)
Not "some". ALL of them are really small. Even the biggest molecules aren't visible to our naked eye.
No, the most powerful of microscopes these days can zoom in to the atomic level.
It's already been demonstrated that there is. See above.
The Veda and the Theosophical sources I mentioned contain thousands of sages and thousands of years and thousands of individual sources. The best for me are the writings/translations of those that summarize and distill for my western understanding.
As to your question of dimensions (planes of reality) here is just one such summary article: Planes/Dimensions of Nature
I don't expect you tp grasp much of that as it has taken me years and is a work in progress.
The quantum fields cannot be seen directly. The eyes only respond to photons in a certain frequency range -- visible light.
chinu
chinu
What about an invisible-world. Do you believe something like that exist in empty space ?
I believe in physical reality as demonstrated by physicists and cosmologists. In topics about which there is much disagreement (because nothing is yet proven), I have no opinion. I have no reason to believe something that has no strong evidence.
chinu
chinu
Of course, a strong believe is required for something that has no strong evidence. And further a strong need is required to believe strongly. Do you think you have any such need ?
joelr
Well-Known Member
Is all this knowledge passed on in Hinduism? What would be interesting to see is to take rather separate systems of metaphysical knowledge and see how well they match up.
In other words if another religion/philosophy that was not in direct contact with Hinduism had also come to similar conclusions about planes of reality that would be interesting. Things that are true should be able to be discovered by different cultures. Like Calculus being invented by Newton and Lienbiz. This happens often in science.