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Is This A Lie?

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
"No" isn't an answer?

(post 196) Q. Is this a straw-man?

(post 198) A. No. + explanation

:shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug::shrug:


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Are you being funny?

The other post that wasn't really about cat art, like you might think.

ps I fixed it. It now exists as a question. Thank you.
 

viole

Ontological Naturalist
Premium Member
Say person a asks person b where he is going. Person b replies "the shop" but has no intention of going to the shop and instead is planning a visit to a friend. However, on his way to see his friend he does indeed change his mind and go to the shop.

Did person b lie?

No. it would have been a lie if the question was: where do you intend to go?

Ciao

- viole
 

Britedream

Active Member
No. it would have been a lie if the question was: where do you intend to go?

Ciao

- viole

The lie, only applies to the news telling (whether it coincides with reality), not to the actions; if I were to tell you, today is Monday, if it is Sunday, then it is a lie, whether I intended to mislead you, or not, if my intention was to deceive you, then it is a deception ( my action), if I thought it was Monday, then it is a mistake (my action). Both actions resulted in telling a lie.
 
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Daemon Sophic

Avatar in flux
Say person a asks person b where he is going. Person b replies "the shop" but has no intention of going to the shop and instead is planning a visit to a friend. However, on his way to see his friend he does indeed change his mind and go to the shop.

Did person b lie?
He lied.
He ended up being wrong, but his original statement was still a lie.

Consider the converse. Person b tells person a that he is really going to see his friend, but gets stuck going to the shop instead. Was he originally lying to person a? Answer - No, but he ended up being mistaken/wrong.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Say person a asks person b where he is going. Person b replies "the shop" but has no intention of going to the shop and instead is planning a visit to a friend. However, on his way to see his friend he does indeed change his mind and go to the shop.

Did person b lie?

Would you be angry if your significant other told you that he/she was going shopping when he/she really wanted to go sleep with another person. Then plans changed and he/she went shopping anyways?

Not asking if that was a lie, but if you will be angry and why?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Would you be angry if your significant other told you that he/she was going shopping when he/she really wanted to go sleep with another person. Then plans changed and he/she went shopping anyways?

Not asking if that was a lie, but if you will be angry and why?
Well, not really; because he ended up not sleeping with another person. So I haven't much right to be angry, have I?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
He lied.
He ended up being wrong, but his original statement was still a lie.

Consider the converse. Person b tells person a that he is really going to see his friend, but gets stuck going to the shop instead. Was he originally lying to person a? Answer - No, but he ended up being mistaken/wrong.
This is an interesting approach. I like it :)
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Well, not really; because he ended up not sleeping with another person. So I haven't much right to be angry, have I?

Not all lies are bad. It depends on the context.

That's fine. It's your opinion so the bottom line is how you would feel about it.

I personally would not like it and I find it's just playing Russian Roulette because by chance it didn't end up being more destructive.
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Not all lies are bad. It depends on the context.

That's fine. It's your opinion so the bottom line is how you would feel about it.

I personally would not like it and I find it's just playing Russian Roulette because by chance it didn't end up being more destructive.
Your example was vague (mine was also in the OP, though intentionally) and didn't mention if he changed his mind or something happened so they couldn't meet. In any case, I'd feel unjustified having anger towards someone for something he almost did, but didn't.
 
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suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Your example was vague (mine was also in the OP, though intentionally) and didn't mention if he changed his mind or something happened so they couldn't meet. In any case, I'd feel unjustified in having anger towards someone for something they almost did, but didn't.

Fair enough.

Folks associate lying with being a negative act. I don't see things as black and white. It really comes down to the context as to why a person lies. Understand their intent and we can judge their nature better. With that said, I think I could say that technically, that was a lie in your OP. But I would be necessarily be angry at the person but by not understand the intent to lie, I'm not sure if I could simply trust what is said in the future from the same person.
 
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