Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
If there is no intention to deceive or tell an untruth, then no. If I say to a friend, "I am free next Thursday", then later remember I have an appointment that day, I was not lying, just forgetful.
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Is This A Lie?
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If there is no intention to deceive or tell an untruth, then no. If I say to a friend, "I am free next Thursday", then later remember I have an appointment that day, I was not lying, just forgetful.
I agree with this. A mistaken word spoken is not a lie. That is why a lie is something that must be be communicated with verve.
Of course, it can be a mistake on the part of the speaker, but he communicates it with power as though it is the undeniable truth,
then it enters the class of The Lie.
If I go out saying I am going to the store, but what I really intend to do is go get a beer, that is a lie.
If I get my beer and then pop into the store real quick so that I was there, it is still a lie.
If I don't go to the store, but I said I did, when I return, if the person is still there, I will say I didn't go,
before he asks me, "how was the store?"
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
still ended to quit truthful
meghanwaterlillies
Well-Known Member
these are the things I wouldn't be mad about.
ukok102nak
Active Member
~;> as they say
as it is written
:read:
Proverbs 27:1
Do not boast about tomorrow; for you do not know what a day may bring forth.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
as it is written
:read:
Proverbs 27:1
Do not boast about tomorrow; for you do not know what a day may bring forth.
:ty:
godbless
unto all always
Mistakes can be communicated with verve. A missed take (mistake) of the truth is not in the same class as a lie, which is a deliberate untruth.
If you are not free after saying you were, then a lie was told. That lie may be based on the idea of you being forgetful. I would think the lie would be undone to the person you told it to by saying "turns out I am free next Thursday."
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
No, a lie involves the intention to deceive. Check the definitions.
What I am thinking is the lie, "if you follow the way I teach, you will be safe from spiritual danger". They BELIEVE that. Is it true? Is it deliberate? Is it intentional? I say, no, yes, yes. They say it consciously and with purpose and they believe it is the God's honest truth. Is it? It isn't. It isn't true so then it is a _____ . No? It's true?
So, what is the opposite of true?
Fun with words! Mistaken: wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false, fallacious, unfounded, misguided,
To give someone else inaccurate information is not lying. To speak falsely is not lying.
To obey a cruel ruler is not causing harm. It is legal because you do it dumbly.
Fun with words! Mistaken: wrong, erroneous, inaccurate, incorrect, false, fallacious, unfounded, misguided,
To give someone else inaccurate information is not lying. To speak falsely is not lying.
To obey a cruel ruler is not causing harm. It is legal because you do it dumbly.
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I can see theism from both sides, so I'm not the person to ask.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Yes.
The original intent was not to go to the shop, correct?
Out of convenience, he went to the shop later. That doesn't make the first statement a truth. It makes it a convenient coincidence.
It isn't about theism. It is about deliberate untruth.
I understand deliberate means "consciously and intentionally". Telling people to believe their way to be saved is conscious and intentional. That was the point. The point wasn't about them being right or wrong.
If they're right, then it's not a lie.
They must be right about everything which isn't humanly possible imo.
Is this a straw-man?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
he lied .
lies have nothing to do with outcomes.
lies have nothing to do with outcomes.
Skwim
Veteran Member
No. It's a comment on one's admiration of blobs of paint having been smeared by a cat.
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But, you didn't answer the post
A cat can paint an ugly picture and it is real, but is it on purpose?The definition of lying "to create a false or misleading impression" does not say, "on purpose".
A cat can paint a beautiful picture and it is real, but it isn't on purpose.
I see. I failed to make it a question. It wasn't on purpose.