Is this *finally* the moment we wake up to the climate crisis?

[Kenny]

What stolen election is that?
The one in which a bunch of QAnon freaks and drunks claimed to have 'seen something' but can't tell what it was they saw? The one in which REPUBLICANs certified elections? The one that even Trump cultist Ron Johnson admitted on tape was LOST by Trump?

We will find out from Arizona

 

[tas8831]

We will find out from Arizona

No, we won't. They are seeking to withhold thousands of documents related to the "audit" - done by a Trump cultist clown's organization that prevented observers from watching them and then fled to Montana. I thought their amazing 'audit' was supposed to be concluded and released weeks ago?

Anyway, the CyberNinjas will probably end up being indicted for fraud and violations of AZ voting records laws and such.

But you keep believing.... like you believe other things...

Are the Cyber Ninjas incompetent or did they lie?

 

[Kenny]

No, we won't. They are seeking to withhold thousands of documents related to the "audit" - done by a Trump cultist clown's organization that prevented observed from watching them and then fled to Montana. I thought their amazing 'audit' was supposed to be concluded and released weeks ago?

Anyway, the CyberNinjas will probably end up being indicted for fraud and violations of QAZ voting records laws and such.

But you keep believing.... like you believe other things...

Are the Cyber Ninjas incompetent or did they lie?

I prefer waiting for the information to come out first before jumping to conclusions

 

[Kenny]

Aww, muffin. Is someone upset that his coup attempt failed?

Was there a coup attempt?

 

[metis]

Was there a coup attempt?

Absolutely no doubt about it. Ever listen to the 1 hour recording made by the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia of Trump's phone call whereas he repeatedly asked the SoS to "find votes" that would put him over the top? And this is only part of what we now know Trump and some of his supporters tried.

BTW, I have at least some doubts that Fox ever played that recording, but you might find it on YouTube.

 

[Kenny]

Absolutely no doubt about it. Ever listen to the 1 hour recording made by the Republican Secretary of State in Georgia of Trump's phone call whereas he repeatedly asked the SoS to "find votes" that would put him over the top? And this is only part of what we now know Trump and some of his supporters tried.

BTW, I have at least some doubts that Fox ever played that recording, but you might find it on YouTube.

LOL Call me "out of touch". I would have to review the whole of the conversation... sometimes things are taken out of context. BUT, I suppose it is possible although winning Georgia wouldn't have changed the outcome.

 

[metis]

LOL Call me "out of touch". I would have to review the whole of the conversation... sometimes things are taken out of context. BUT, I suppose it is possible although winning Georgia wouldn't have changed the outcome.

I found it, so here: Audio: Unhinged Trump Tries to Bully Georgia Officials into Finding More Votes for Him

And here from Reuters: In recorded call, Trump pressures Georgia official to 'find' votes to overturn election

And here from the Associated Press: GA election officials reject Trump call to 'find' more votes

I think this, and probably your own cooking, will really upset your stomach.

 

[Kenny]

I found it, so here: Audio: Unhinged Trump Tries to Bully Georgia Officials into Finding More Votes for Him

And here from Reuters: In recorded call, Trump pressures Georgia official to 'find' votes to overturn election

And here from the Associated Press: GA election officials reject Trump call to 'find' more votes

I think this, and probably your own cooking, will really upset your stomach.

I listened to the audio... it could be taken both ways...

1) Trying to muscle some
2) Honestly questioning what is happening in Georgia and wanting answers.

I thing it is option 3)

Honestly questioning what is happening in Georgia and over-trying to use some muscle to find out.

regardless, Winning Georgia didn't change the outcome. That is why I am interested in Arizona. It will tip it either way. If everything is OK... no more questions needed. If there was real voter fraud with enough numbers to change the Arizona outcome, it will put into question Fulton County, Ga as well as other areas such as Ohio.

In the end... what I want is assurance that it is an honest election.

 

[Truthseeker]

There will always be people who won't be able to see the forest for the trees, and who will point to the effects of climate change as reasons why we have more pressing concerns than climate change.

Take the Syrian Civil War: climate change was a significant factor (though not the only factor) in causing the war: Climate Change: An Unspoken Factor in the Syrian Civil War

Here in Canada, when Harper was Prime Minister, there were many frustrating moments where he was refusing demands for a carbon tax on the one hand while also arguing for increased defense spending (for more patrol ships to "secure the sovereignty of our arctic waters," since they're projected to be ice-free enough to be viable shipping routes).

I know that climate change was a factor in the Syrian War already.

Here in the United States there have been no demands for a carbon tax as far as I know, we're so backward. We have the largest defense spending in the world, and what good does it do for us?

 

[metis]

I listened to the audio... it could be taken both ways...

1) Trying to muscle some
2) Honestly questioning what is happening in Georgia and wanting answers.

I thing it is option 3)

Honestly questioning what is happening in Georgia and over-trying to use some muscle to find out.

When he told the SoS to "find votes" just enough to win Georgia even by just 1 vote, as he said, I think it's VERY obvious what he was up to. And this wan't the only time he did this as he tried much the same in three other states with Republicans who oversaw the election but they refused to go along with Trump's sham.

No, it's clear what he was up to, and if he had succeeded, we would now either be a dictatorship or an oligarchy, no doubt. This is why he praised "strong leaders", including Putin and even Saddam Hussein, plus a few other autocrats such as in Hungary, the Philippines, Brazil, and Belarus. He even stated in Oslo that he trusted Putin more than our own 17 intelligence agencies that includes even our own military intelligence.

This IS who he IS, and even his own sister and niece have publicly stated as such. He had autocratic aspirations, and he even badmouthed the results of the election if he lost long before the election. In my 76 years, I never heard a previous presidential or congressional candidate ever make such accusations.

The fact that he still has such a large following is quite scary and doesn't bode well for this country in the near future. If he were to run and win in 2024, "Katy, bar the door!" because almost all restraints would be off him.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Indeed. Not to go off topic, but we're seeing that same mindset with regard to withdrawing from Afghanistan. 'But we've been there so long and so many have already died, how can we just leave?' REALLY???

The same people were all for getting out of Afghanistan when it was trump leading the charge. There is a core of people who decide their stance on any issue based purely on opposing what "the other side" says. Now that Biden and the Democrats are in charge? Leaving Afghanistan is the worst possible thing ever. Had the exact same thing happened, in the exact same sequence, with the exact same fallout and problems, but with trump at the helm, these people would be down on their knees in adulation of his leadership. It doesn't matter what the issue is, for tribalists, they will NEVER support "the other side", no matter the policy or how it actually plays out. For too long we have tried to accommodate these people with rational, polite attempts to educate. It is a FACT that these people will NEVER support any effort to address Climate Change if those efforts are led by "the other side". We need to stop trying to appeal to their rational, better natures, because they don't have one.

It is true that their are tribalists on both political "sides", but as one of those sides bases their position generally on scientific understandings, while their tribal supporters are problematic in their own right, they tend to end up on the correct side of issues by default. So while I'll never defend left wing tribalism, they don't represent nearly the same danger as right wing tribalists.

 

[SkepticThinker]

My point is that all we do is look at man and don't factor in the greater of the problem, the sun, and just relegate the whole thing to man.

Do you really think scientists haven't realized that the sun exists?
Come on.

 

[Kenny]

Do you really think scientists haven't realized that the sun exists?
Come on.

I was wondering that... hopefully they do.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I was wondering that... hopefully they do.

Fingers crossed.

 

[tas8831]

I was wondering that... hopefully they do.

7 seconds of googling:

What Is the Sun's Role in Climate Change? – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet.

and an additional 15 seconds:

Couldn't the Sun be the cause of global warming? | NOAA Climate.gov

 

[Kenny]

7 seconds of googling:

What Is the Sun's Role in Climate Change? – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet.

and an additional 15 seconds:

Couldn't the Sun be the cause of global warming? | NOAA Climate.gov

We are even... I think that is the time it took me:
#60

 

[tas8831]

Potholer54 wrecks climate change denialism claims by Stephen Crowder. It is a thing of glory.

Isn't he just so clever?

 

[rational experiences]

Human scientists say they can theory about space.....not earth a planet with an atmosphere and how blasting reactions began.

That advice a human wanting to own thinking that way was described as a destroyer theme. Destroyer of terms human said we're God.

O our planet and it's heavens.

The sun is its own body. Science knew once it blasted and attacked everything stopped cooled.

Science knew light not owned by science but the space void kept life living inside a gas state safe.

Common sense.

Common sense says science is only a human chosen practice for human reasons

Humans however try to convince other humans that science speaks on behalf of all things.

And it doesn't.

Science rationally only controls it's owned designed machines. And machines speak to machines. As a machine equals a machine.

Suddenly huge disasters are a new constant.

Once science said energy was the constant of light.

Next moment science said energetic reactions is also energy.

Yet it begins it ends and humans lose.

If theists said as human thinkers about a topic subject I want. Now they review you got.

Seeing all theories as topics only ever belonged in cosmic themes. And not machine reactions.

As yet human egotists have not realised that a human with a machine did not invent creation.

 

[metis]

The same people were all for getting out of Afghanistan when it was trump leading the charge. There is a core of people who decide their stance on any issue based purely on opposing what "the other side" says. Now that Biden and the Democrats are in charge? Leaving Afghanistan is the worst possible thing ever. Had the exact same thing happened, in the exact same sequence, with the exact same fallout and problems, but with trump at the helm, these people would be down on their knees in adulation of his leadership. It doesn't matter what the issue is, for tribalists, they will NEVER support "the other side", no matter the policy or how it actually plays out. For too long we have tried to accommodate these people with rational, polite attempts to educate. It is a FACT that these people will NEVER support any effort to address Climate Change if those efforts are led by "the other side". We need to stop trying to appeal to their rational, better natures, because they don't have one.

It is true that their are tribalists on both political "sides", but as one of those sides bases their position generally on scientific understandings, while their tribal supporters are problematic in their own right, they tend to end up on the correct side of issues by default. So while I'll never defend left wing tribalism, they don't represent nearly the same danger as right wing tribalists.

Even though I don't agree with your assessment on the withdrawal from Afghanistan [the biggest mistake was trying to occupy the country in the first place, especially after our Vietnam experience], the rest of your post I definitely agree with.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Even though I don't agree with your assessment on the withdrawal from Afghanistan [the biggest mistake was trying to occupy the country in the first place, especially after our Vietnam experience], the rest of your post I definitely agree with.

I'm not sure where we'd disagree. I fully acknowledge that going into Afghanistan without a meaningful strategy for getting out of Afghanistan was a mistake.

Full disclosure, I initially fully supported the Afghanistan intervention. I even volunteered to go, although Iraq ended up being my quagmire. I know admit this was a mistaken stance on my part.