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Is this humane?

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Prison, therapy, rehab. Same as anyone else. Killing someone doesn't bring back those already lost.
Yes, but it would make him pay

Bad actions should have bad consequences

And Hitler was the worst of the worst
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
I'd have had him hung alongside the other top Nazis
As I see it, those who find taking another life acceptable when not actively defending your own or another’s are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
As I see it, those who find taking another life acceptable when not actively defending your own or another’s are part of the problem, not part of the solution.
Hitler would have killed me for having a certain mental illness, for having a certain sexuality, for being a Social Democrat and for being an advocate of Esperanto

If he could he'd have had me killed

I think this gives me the right to kill him

Also, I think people should pay for their crimes

Hitler managed to get away with it

He got what he wanted and paid no price
 

Erebus

Well-Known Member
Or do certain offenders forfeit their right to be treated humanely?

The question comes down to what you believe the purpose of prisons should be.

I personally believe that prisons should rehabilitate people whenever possible. When rehabilitation of a particular person is impossible, they should serve to keep that person away from the rest of society. Punishment doesn't come into the equation at all for me and so I see no good reason to keep people in miserable conditions.

The kind of isolation and complete lack of entertainment that some prisoners face is a form of torture in my opinion. The only purpose it serves is to lower the running costs of prisons and to satisfy the public's general desire for prisoners to suffer.
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
Hitler would have killed me for having a certain mental illness, for having a certain sexuality, for being a Social Democrat and for being an advocate of Esperanto

If he could he'd have had me killed

I think this gives me the right to kill him
So you’d kill some based on what they might do? That’s even worse!

Also, I think people should pay for their crimes
By death? Which crimes justify killing?
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Does retribution address the problem? Or does it just feel good in the moment?
I think executing Hitler to make people "feel good" would be justifiable

For example Holocaust survivors or the relatives of his many victims

Or the citizens of Coventry
 

SalixIncendium

अहं ब्रह्मास्मि
Staff member
Premium Member
He would most certainly have had me killed

Rather him than me!
Good on you.

You’ve demonstrated just the mentality that justifies war.

How do you feel about that?

Genocide, crimes against humanity, crimes against peace, mass murders

He had millions of people horribly murdered for horrible reasons
I meant in general.

But I digress.

So we’ve caught him, imprisoned him, and protected humanity from him.

Do you still kill him?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
I think executing Hitler to make people "feel good" would be justifiable

For example Holocaust survivors or the relatives of his many victims

Or the citizens of Coventry

Justifiable? Not Justice?

Really?

So it brings their dead loved ones back? Addresses their mental, emotional, and spiritual pain? And tackles the problems that lead to his actions? Or like the hydra, are you merely cutting the head off a snake, creating longer term issues?
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
You have just the mentality that justifies war.
I am a committed pacifist so obviously I don't...
So we’ve caught him, imprisoned him, and protected humanity from him.

Do you still kill him?
Put him on trial, give him a fair trial

And if he is found culpable hang him

Which would be treating him way better than he treated his victims

If God wants to forgive him or spare him further punishment then that's God's business
 

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
Justifiable? Not Justice?

Really?

So it brings their dead loved ones back? Addresses their mental, emotional, and spiritual pain? And tackles the problems that lead to his actions? Or like the hydra, are you merely cutting the head off a snake, creating longer term issues?
The man was evil

He demonstrated throughout his life that he was morally inhuman

People who do evil to the same extent as Hitler did lose their right to be treated humanely

They exclude themselves from humankind and deserve to be treated according
 
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