Is this humane?

[SalixIncendium]

So not just the Holocaust? His entirety of existence?

I’d be interested to hear of his childhood and home life. Bully or bullied? Abused or privileged?

 

[SalixIncendium]

People have an inalienable right to be treated humanely irregardless of actions.

On whose authority?

 

[VoidCat]

I’d be interested to hear of his childhood and home life. Bully or bullied? Abused or privileged?

There was a book i read on the topic as a kid. Written by a guy who used to be a childhood friend of his. I can't remember what was in it I was like 12 when I read it. But this the book:

https://www.amazon.com/Young-Hitler-Knew-Definitive-Monster/dp/1611450586

You might be able to find a free PDF of it somewhere I don't know.

Edit: If I recall correctly his dad was highly antisemetic and his sister Paula Wolf was beaten at one point by said dad.

 

[The Hammer]

On whose authority?

Mine

 

[Eddi]

So not just the Holocaust? His entirety of existence?

He was who he was because of who he was

If you are interested I recommend the book The Psycopathic God by Robert GL Waite

He dreamt of having power and killing people from an early age

 

[Eddi]

People have an inalienable right to be treated humanely irregardless of actions.

I think execution by hanging would be humane were it to be morally justified

And in Hitler's case it would

 

[The Hammer]

I think execution by hanging would be humane were it to be morally justified

And in Hitler's case it would

Who's morals?

And I'll reiterate @SalixIncendium question to me.
On who's authority?

 

[Eddi]

Who's morals?

And I'll reiterate @SalixIncendium question to me.
On who's authority?

In the name of humanity

On the authority of his victims

On the basis of them being human beings

Hitler chose to be inhuman

He should therefore be excluded from the moral community to which humans belong

Hanging him would be a very restrained thing to do to him IMO

 

[Eddi]

I’d be interested to hear of his childhood and home life. Bully or bullied? Abused or privileged?

I recommend the book The Psycopathic God by Robert GL Waite

It is a "psycho-history" and is very well written

 

[VoidCat]

There was a book i read on the topic as a kid. Written by a guy who used to be a childhood friend of his. I can't remember what was in it I was like 12 when I read it. But this the book:

https://www.amazon.com/Young-Hitler-Knew-Definitive-Monster/dp/1611450586

You might be able to find a free PDF of it somewhere I don't know.

Edit: If I recall correctly his dad was highly antisemetic and his sister Paula Wolf was beaten at one point by said dad.

If i recalled this book humanized Hitler a bit. He was a horrible person sure but he was no Inhuman monster. He was a human like you and me. One that did very evil things like genocide. But this man wasn't always the guy who committed genocide. He turned into that person. How? What events caused him to turn evil? I remember in this book it did talk about how he was prone to rage and already was antisemetic as a teen but it also shows things like him caring for his dying mother and defending his best friends right to a music career. How did he end up like the way he did?

Might be a bit off topic but remember even the worse of humanity are still humans. I do wonder where the line between rehabilitation and not being able to rehabilitate some is. But I still dont believe in capital punishment. A life for a life doesn't bring folk back.

 

[Eddi]

If i recalled this book humanized Hitler a bit. He was a horrible person sure but he was no Inhuman monster. He was a human like you and me. One that did very evil things like genocide. But this man wasn't always the guy who committed genocide. He turned into that person. How? What events caused him to turn evil? I remember in this book it did talk about how he was prone to rage and already was antisemetic as a teen but it also shows things like him caring for his dying mother and defending his best friends right to a music career. How did he end up like the way he did?

Might be a bit off topic but remember even the worse of humanity are still humans. I do wonder where the line between rehabilitation and not being able to rehabilitate some is. But I still dont believe in capital punishment. A life for a life doesn't bring folk back.

If only they'd have allowed him to study at the Vienna academy of art!

The dude most likely had only one testicle which would have given him issues

And he had other issues too

He suspected that he was partially Jewish on his father's side

He had daddy issues

He identified the Jews with his father and Germany with his mother

And had a self destructive personality

And was a sociopath

 

[VoidCat]

If i recalled this book humanized Hitler a bit. He was a horrible person sure but he was no Inhuman monster. He was a human like you and me. One that did very evil things like genocide. But this man wasn't always the guy who committed genocide. He turned into that person. How? What events caused him to turn evil? I remember in this book it did talk about how he was prone to rage and already was antisemetic as a teen but it also shows things like him caring for his dying mother and defending his best friends right to a music career. How did he end up like the way he did?

Might be a bit off topic but remember even the worse of humanity are still humans. I do wonder where the line between rehabilitation and not being able to rehabilitate some is. But I still dont believe in capital punishment. A life for a life doesn't bring folk back.

@Eddi

I cringed writing this. Because what he did was so awful. He killed millions. It's hard trying to think about the fact this man was a person. Still. He was a human- humans are the worse of creatures. Its useful regardless to keep in mind he was a person not some inhuman entity however

 

[VoidCat]

If only they'd have allowed him to study at the Vienna academy of art!

The dude most likely had only one testicle which would have given him issues

And he had other issues too

He suspected that he was partially Jewish on his father's side

He had daddy issues

He identified the Jews with his father and Germany with his mother

And had a self destructive personality

And was a sociopath

Lose the sarcasm.

@Eddi

I cringed writing this. Because what he did was so awful. He killed millions. It's hard trying to think about the fact this man was a person. Still. He was a human- humans are the worse of creatures. Its useful regardless to keep in mind he was a person not some inhuman entity however

Im not saying that he was a good person. Quite the opposite. Im just reminding you he was a person.

 

[Eddi]

@Eddi

I cringed writing this. Because what he did was so awful. He killed millions. It's hard trying to think about the fact this man was a person. Still. He was a human- humans are the worse of creatures. Its useful regardless to keep in mind he was a person not some inhuman entity however

Perhaps if he'd have made different choices he would have been a normal person?

But I think the choices people make reveal a lot about their character

 

[VoidCat]

Perhaps if he'd have made different choices he would have been a normal person?

But I think the choices people make reveal a lot about their character

Indeed. Here's what i proposal regarding the OP keeping things in mind that people are people not monsters...

Focus on prevention. Not just prison and rehabilitation. But prevention. If you prevent crimes before they occur then prison is not needed in the cases you prevent. So...how does one do that?

 

[Eddi]

Lose the sarcasm.

How am I being sarcastic?

If he'd have got into the academy of art he probably would not have gone into politics

And he had issues from the very beginning although those do not excuse what he did

 

[VoidCat]

How am I being sarcastic?

If he'd have got into the academy of art he probably would not have gone into politics

And he had issues from the very beginning although those do not excuse what he did

Ah. I misread your tone. My apologises

 

[VoidCat]

And he had issues from the very beginning although those do not excuse what he did

Definitely doesnt for sure

 

[The Hammer]

In the name of humanity

On the authority of his victims

On the basis of them being human beings

Hitler chose to be inhuman

He should therefore be excluded from the moral community to which humans belong

Hanging him would be a very restrained thing to do to him IMO

Glad to see you've appointed yourself judge, jury and executioner.

I'll just restate my position of "Performing inhuman actions does not justify a person being treated inhumanely."

 

[Eddi]

Glad to see you've appointed yourself judge, jury and executioner.

I think every human has the right to condem a person like Hitler to death

I think that right belongs to all humans and comes from natural law

That it is a part of one's humanity