Is this humane?

[Eddi]

I'll just restate my position of "Performing inhuman actions does not justify a person being treated inhumanely."

And I'll restate my position that performing inhuman acts excludes you from humanity

Which means that killing such a "person" can be morally justified

 

[VoidCat]

I think Hitler is too extreme of a case to be used generally. How many hitlers you know for example?

Mind giving us an example of the typical criminal in such places?

 

[Twilight Hue]

I think execution by hanging would be humane were it to be morally justified

And in Hitler's case it would

I would always leave such a decision with a killers victims.

Executions should be a humane affair with a quick and painless as possible death because unlike people who kill and inflict unimaginable suffering, there are standards by which one can be regarded as being civilized, as opposed to those who choose barbarism on others.

 

[Eddi]

I think Hitler is too extreme of a case to be used generally. How many hitlers you know for example?

Mind giving us an example of the typical criminal in such places?

I agree

Stalin was pretty bad too!

I think most criminals don't deserve to be put to death

Even murderers

Unless perhaps there are aggravating factors?

Or perhaps if they are a serial killer?

But on the whole I am generally uncomfortable with the death penalty and would be very reluctant to use it

 

[VoidCat]

I agree

Stalin was pretty bad too!

I think most criminals don't deserve to be put to death

Even murderers

Unless perhaps there are aggravating factors?

Or perhaps if they are a serial killer?

But on the whole I am generally uncomfortable with the death penalty and would be very reluctant to use it

Reminds me of an old nurse telling me about how she worked on caring for Velma Barfield while she was sentenced to death here in NC.

Think of the ethics of that...healing someone on death row sentenced to death regardless.

 

[We Never Know]

Reminds me of an old nurse telling me about how she worked on caring for Velma Barfield while she was sentenced to death here in NC.

Think of the ethics of that...healing someone on death row sentenced to death regardless.

Keep them alive so we can put them to death.

Kind of like the old west days. Bring them back alive so we can hang them. Don't cheat the hangman.

 

[The Hammer]

Which means that killing such a "person" can be morally justified

Killing in self defense is understandable, killing for retribution is murder.

Therefore the executioner and the one giving the order are just as culpable of acting inhumanely as their now victim.

And round and round the seasons continue.

The bloodshed of summer leads to Winter's fomenting and grieving, leading back to Summer's bloodshed.

 

[Eddi]

Killing in self defense is understandable, killing for retribution is murder

Hanging Hitler would be a form of self defence

His continued existence as a living being would be an affront to human dignity

To kill him would be a symbolic act

To leave him be would also be a symbolic act

I know which symbolic act I'd choose

 

[Eddi]

Therefore the executioner and the one giving the order are just as culpable of acting inhumanely as their now victim.

Not "just as"

Hitler is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people

A person executing Hitler would only be responsible for one death

And not even a human death

And good riddance I'd say

 

[VoidCat]

Not "just as"

Hitler is responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of people

A person executing Hitler would only be responsible for one death

And not even a human death

And good riddance I'd say

You shouldnt distance humanity from its ugly parts. Humans have killed. Humans have commit genocide. Humans have cause war. Hitler was a human and showing the ugly side of humanity.

 

[Eddi]

You shouldnt distance humanity from its ugly parts. Humans have killed. Humans have commit genocide. Humans have cause war. Hitler was a human and showing the ugly side of humanity.

Yes, I suppose being "inhuman" is a way of being human!

 

[VoidCat]

Yes, I suppose being "inhuman" is a way of being human!

Part never letting something like the holocaust happen again is keeping mind that it was caused by humans. That this was an evil humanity was capable of and commited. And its humanity's job to not let it happen again. That's why im reminding you repeatedly that Hitler was human.

But again like i said Hitler was an extreme case. We should focus on more common ones for the purpose of this thread

 

[Eddi]

Part never letting something like the holocaust happen again is keeping mind that it was caused by humans. That this was an evil humanity was capable of and commited. And its humanity's job to not let it happen again. That's why im reminding you repeatedly that Hitler was human.

"Don't yet rejoice in his defeat, you men! Although the world stood up and stopped the *******, The ***** that bore him is in heat again!"

From a play by the German playwrite Bertolt Brecht

 

[VoidCat]

"Don't yet rejoice in his defeat, you men! Although the world stood up and stopped the *******, The ***** that bore him is in heat again!"

From a play by the German playwrite Bertolt Brecht

Yeah once we separate humanity from evil people...we distance ourselves from what happen. We then say it cant happen again. Because those evil people werent people. But it can. It happened before. Humans did it. They can do it again.

 

[Eddi]

Yeah once we separate humanity from evil people...we distance ourselves from what happen. We then say it cant happen again. Because those evil people werent people. But it can. It happened before. Humans did it. They can do it again.

I don't think Hitler was born evil

I don't know at what point he became evil though

But I think that there is a line and that anyone who crosses it forfeits their humanity

But I agree that evil is very much a part of the human condition

 

[The Hammer]

A person executing Hitler would only be responsible for one death

Death is death. Whether one or a billion. Neither justifies the other.

And not even a human death

Glad to know you think of some people as beneath others.

 

[Eddi]

Death is death. Whether one or a billion. Neither justifies the other.

That would assume that all lives are equal

Some people freely choose to do inhuman things and to thus become inhuman

Glad to know you think of some people as beneath others

Yes

Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.....

Well beneath others

And they freely chose to be that way

They had free will and look what they chose to do with it

They failed the test big time

 

[The Hammer]

 

[The Hammer]

They had free will and look what they chose to do with it

What's this "free" will you speak of? Nonexistent. Our lives are always dictated by the decisions of others. As the web of Wyrd ensnares.

 

[Eddi]

A random person once stopped me on the street and told me I look just like Rag'n'Bone man and that I should take that as a compliment