Is this humane?

[Eddi]

I would have locked him up in humane conditions.

Perhaps it would have been good to keep him alive but to force him to confront some of the survivors, or the relatives of his many victims?

That would have knocked him down a few pegs, it would have served to humiliate him if nothing else

Let them shout in his face and force him to grovel

All the better to capture it all on film

Every day for the rest of his life make him confront 100 survivors or relatives of his victims, from all over the world. Poland, Russia, France, Coventry...

This would show him up as a miserable, pathetic individual

Restorative justice - Wikipedia

When that horrible baby-killing nurse refused to attend the victim impact statement part of her trial there were calls for defendants to be forced to face their victims, to be manhandled out of their cell and into the court if necessary

I would agree with this

 

[The Hammer]

Why should that be the point?
Why should the goal be to prevent every single instance of loss of life?

Why shouldn't preventing harm be a goal?

Again, outside of self defense, there is no reason to harm or kill someone.

Irregardless of the deaths caused by a person, if they are in custody they are no longer a danger to society, and the threat has been contained.

 

[The Hammer]

Killing someone lets them off the hook.

Bingo

 

[Alien826]

When that horrible baby-killing nurse refused to attend the victim impact statement part of her trial there were calls for defendants to be forced to face their victims, to be manhandled out of their cell and into the court if necessary

I would agree with this

My problem is with it influencing the sentence. I don't see why a criminal shouldn't have his "nose rubbed in" the results of his crime. This might be the start of rehabilitation. Though a psychopath might actually enjoy it?

 

[Eddi]

Bingo

Not if it sends them straight to Hell

 

[The Hammer]

From a purely pragmatic position:

"Many people believe that the death penalty is more cost-effective than housing and feeding someone in prison for life. In reality, the death penalty's complexity, length, and finality drive costs through the roof, making it much more expensive"

Death is expensive.

 

[Eddi]

Though a psychopath might actually enjoy it?

I don't think they would if it were to be humiliating

 

[The Hammer]

Not if it sends them straight to Hell

Ah, yes, double jeopardy. Punish them by death here, so they can face eternal torture and punishment.

 

[Eddi]

Death is expensive.

It is if you keep the condemned waiting on Death Row for decades

In England they were hung within a week of being convicted

 

[The Hammer]

It is if you keep the condemned waiting on Death Row for decades

In England they were hung within a week of being convicted

Yeah, and the number of people exonerated off of death row, makes me very wary at just murdering people we deem murderers.

"Since 1973, 195 former death-row prisoners have been exonerated of all charges related to the wrongful convictions that had put them on death row."

"more than 8,700 defendants have been sentenced to death; of these, more than 1,550 have been executed. At least 190 people who were sentenced to death since 1972 have since been exonerated, about 2.2% or one in 46."

Seems to me the system is flawed if we are harming the innocent.

 

[Eddi]

Yeah, and the number of people exonerated off of death row, makes me very wary at just murdering people we deem murderers.

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"Since 1973, 195 former death-row prisoners have been exonerated of all charges related to the wrongful convictions that had put them on death row."

We were talking about Hitler

He was obviously guilty

 

[The Hammer]

We were talking about Hitler

He was obviously guilty

Extreme case.

As has been pointed out.

Discussing an exteme position doesn't answer your question.

It only allows you to rebut indefinitely, with your supposed righteousness over a supposed evil of evils. Your using Hitler the same way a Christian uses Satan, scapegoat/reason for your ideas and positions.

 

[Eddi]

Extreme case.

As has been pointed out.

Discussing an exteme position doesn't answer your question.

It only allows you to rebut indefinitely, with your supposed righteousness over a supposed evil of evils. Your using Hitler the same way a Christian uses Satan, scapegoat/reason for your ideas and positions.

I am not actually a fan of execution and if it were up to me it would not be used in the vast majority of cases

But some people are so despicable and depraved that they deserve to die

Jimmy Saville would I believe be a prime candidate for the noose

Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[The Hammer]

I am not actually a fan of execution and if it were up to me it would not be used in the vast majority of cases

But some people are so despicable and depraved that they deserve to die

Jimmy Saville would I believe be a prime candidate for the noose

Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I still disagree. Life in prison is a worse fate then death. And still gives a slim chance for atonement.

 

[Eddi]

I still disagree. Life in prison is a worse fate then death. And still gives a slim chance for atonement.

Locking them up does not remove them from the face of the Earth like hanging does

 

[England my lionheart]

Are we speaking of mobsters who killed tens of people?

Well...would you consider death penalty more humane?

This or maybe offer them a way out like the special drink they give in Switzerland,years of misery for their victims versus closure for all.

 

[The Hammer]

Locking them up does not remove them from the face of the Earth like hanging does

And?

That attitude is what is wrong with our "justice" system, and why it has not changed.

 

[Koldo]

Why shouldn't preventing harm be a goal?

Again, outside of self defense, there is no reason to harm or kill someone.

Irregardless of the deaths caused by a person, if they are in custody they are no longer a danger to society, and the threat has been contained.

I didn't say preventing harm shouldn't be a goal. The matter is whether it should be THE goal.
One has to forsake justice to have preventing harm to be THE goal.

If particularly harmful actions don't have particularly harmful consequences to the perpretator then there is no justice.

 

[The Hammer]

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If particularly harmful actions don't have particularly harmful consequences to the perpretator then there is no justice.

How we define "harm" in this regard may differ here. I'm not a fan of retributive justice. That's a hardline position of mine.

I prefer restorative justice.

 

[Eddi]

And?

That attitude is what is wrong with our "justice" system, and why it has not changed.

Some people deserve to die

When some people are killed justice is done