Is Trinity in the Bible?

[wmam]

H6005
עמּנוּאל
‛immânû'êl
im-maw-noo-ale'
From H5973 and H410 with suffix pronoun inserted; with us (is) God; Immanuel, a name of Isaiah’s son: - Immanuel.

Looks to me the way you say it is that Isaiah's son was also what you call god. Explain this please.

 

[wmam]

YAHshua did nothing without it being of the Father. He stated so much Himself. He had no power of Hisself but that which was revealed through Him by YAH my Elohim.

 

[joeboonda]

1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us

(King James Bible, Matthew)

1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

1:22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us

(King James Bible, Matthew)

8:8 And he shall pass through Judah; he shall overflow and go over, he shall reach even to the neck; and the stretching out of his wings shall fill the breadth of thy land, O Immanuel.

(King James Bible, Isaiah)

Well, I am not a theologian, but here is where it is in the Bible. Christian scholars hold it to be a Messianic name.

 

[joeboonda]

YAHshua did nothing without it being of the Father. He stated so much Himself. He had no power of Hisself but that which was revealed through Him by YAH my Elohim.

17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.


18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Now, Jesus here is worshiped, and we are only to worship God, so I believe Jesus is God incarnate, God in the flesh. All power is given Him in heaven and in earth, making Him equal with the Father. And then there is the phrase lumping the Father, Son and Holy Ghost together again, then he says teach them to observe all things I have commanded, we are to observe all things God commans, so I think Jesus is God. Not God the Father, but God the Son. Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God, they are what make up God, the trinity. Thats just what I believe.

 

[Yasin]

"only-begotten Son"

You may find it interesting, that the term "begotten" has been removed in the RSV of the Bible:

Used to read JOHN 3:16 K.J.V For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son. R.S.V R.S.V For God so love the world that he gave his only son.

But now reads N.I.V For God so love the world that he gave his one and only son.

And in G.N.B For God so love the world, so much that he gave his only son.

And in L.B.V For God loved the world so much that he gave his only son.

If we go to the old testament we read:

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7
(Funny how they did not remove it in the Old Testament)

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

 

[may]

You may find it interesting, that the term "begotten" has been removed in the RSV of the Bible:

Used to read JOHN 3:16 K.J.V For God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son. R.S.V R.S.V For God so love the world that he gave his only son.

But now reads N.I.V For God so love the world that he gave his one and only son.

And in G.N.B For God so love the world, so much that he gave his only son.

And in L.B.V For God loved the world so much that he gave his only son.

If we go to the old testament we read:

I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Psalms 2:7
(Funny how they did not remove it in the Old Testament)

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

the NWT reads in psalm 2;7 let me refer to the decree of Jehovah , He has said to me, You are my son ,i today, i have become your Father ..... it speaks of this in acts 13;33......... .... in JOHN 1;14 It says .... so the word became flesh and resided among us, and we had a view of his glory such as belongs to an only- begotten son from a father, and he was full of undeserved kindness and truth

 

[jonny]

I was reading Act 7 yesterday and came across these verses:

Acts 7:55 - And he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, (56) And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.

My question is probably obvious, but how do those who accept the creeds that define the trinity reconcile their beliefs with this scripture? Was Christ standing next to himself? Can God split himself into two seperate beings if he wants? Since God isn't a "being," what exactly was he seeing in this vision?

 

[Deut 13:1]

this God

That people may know that you, whose name is Jehovah​

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You alone are the Most High over all the earth psalm 83;18

18. Let them be ashamed and terrified forever; let them be disgraced and perish.

???

 

[may]

18. Let them be ashamed and terrified forever; let them be disgraced and perish.

???

sorry ,i know i am thick but i am confused not sure what you mean by this psalm 83 ;18

 

[wmam]

17And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

In the KJV the word "worship" as used here is shown in Strong's as .....

G4352
προσκυνέω
proskuneō
pros-koo-neh'-o
From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship.

But in ...............

Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Where it pertains to the worship of Elohim it is defined by Strong's as...........

G4576
σέβομαι
sebomai
seb'-om-ahee
Middle voice of an apparently primary verb; to revere, that is, adore: - devout, religious, worship.

To me there is a difference.

18And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Yes and I would think that you would agree that to have been given anything it would have had to come from somebody. In this case YAHshua recieved all power in heaven and in earth from His Father YAH our Elohim.

19Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

So He tells them to baptize in the names of the Father (which is YAH) and of the sone (which is YAHshua) and of the Holy Spirit (which I believe is the Malakhim) .......... This doesn't convence me that just because this is said that it somehow puts the two that were made by the Creator as being equal to or even higher than that of the Creator.

He also siad for them to do as He commanded. O.k. He had also stated that Moses gave commands as well in .........

Mat 8:4 And Jesus saith unto him, See thou tell no man; but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer the gift that Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.

Strongs defines the two words "commanded" here as the same. I again believe that YAHshua gave commands of that from His Father, YAH.

And He stated that He would be with those he was speaking to all the way to the end. O.K. ......... This is done through His Father, YAH.

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

See............ to me it all comes from YAH.

Now, Jesus here is worshiped, and we are only to worship God, so I believe Jesus is God incarnate, God in the flesh. All power is given Him in heaven and in earth, making Him equal with the Father. And then there is the phrase lumping the Father, Son and Holy Ghost together again, then he says teach them to observe all things I have commanded, we are to observe all things God commans, so I think Jesus is God. Not God the Father, but God the Son. Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Holy Spirit is God, they are what make up God, the trinity. Thats just what I believe.

O.k. and thats all fine and good. I just happen to disagree with your belief. No prob.

 

[joeboonda]

That's cool, I am not sure what your belief is, but it all seems fairly closely related somehow. Jesus accepted worship in other verses, and forgave sins, I think of the woman with the alabaster box who annointed his feet, and kissed them and washed them with her hair and tears. I will have to look up all the places and get back to you, I am working overtime so, will not be able to do to much now. Do you believe in the deity of Christ? your profile does not disclose your religion, so, I am not sure where you are coming from. Do you believe in the New Testament, or just the Old Testament, that would help me understand why you are debating the doctrine of the Trinity. Thanks, and sorry for my lack of attention.

 

[joeboonda]

http://bible-truth.org/Trinity.html Here is an article that may explain my belief in the Trintity. It has a CHART, which I hope folks will view, showing attributes of God, given to all 3 members of the trinity, with the verses to show. Thanks.

 

[Popeyesays]

That's cool, I am not sure what your belief is, but it all seems fairly closely related somehow. Jesus accepted worship in other verses, and forgave sins, I think of the woman with the alabaster box who annointed his feet, and kissed them and washed them with her hair and tears. I will have to look up all the places and get back to you, I am working overtime so, will not be able to do to much now. Do you believe in the deity of Christ? your profile does not disclose your religion, so, I am not sure where you are coming from. Do you believe in the New Testament, or just the Old Testament, that would help me understand why you are debating the doctrine of the Trinity. Thanks, and sorry for my lack of attention.

That was Mary Magdalene. The expense of the ointment for His feet caused Judas Iscariot to complain of wasting money. I would not call it an act of worship, but of love. If you will recall, Jesus washed the feet of His disciples, was He worshipping them?

Regards,
Scott

 

[joeboonda]

In my Strong's Concordance, I found 13 verses in the Gospels where-in Jesus was worshipped, I looked up the greek and it was proskuneo, its #4352, and it can mean to kiss, like a dog licking its MASTER'S hand, to fawn or crouch, to prostrate oneself in homage, (do reverence to, adore), worship. All Bible-believing Christians and theologians and pastors I have ever known, heard, or read, agree that Jesus accepted worship. He also forgave sins, which only God can do. If Mary was not worshipping at her Master's feet, I don't know what you call worship! Jesus washed His disciples feet as a demonstration to them that they should be as servants. Totally different context here. The Bible says, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You will bow down and worship him, the Bible says even Satan will bow down and confess that Jesus is Lord. We can do it now, or do it before he tells us to depart from Him into everlasting punishment, now is the day of salvation, today, if you hear his voice, hearken unto it says the Bible. I believe this with all my heart, nothing will ever or has ever changed that in my life, and I am getting old. I believe and try to tell everyone that all people must decide what to do with Jesus, to believe in Him or not, as says the 3rd chapter of John, so, that is what I believe, others may believe what they will. Jesus said he that believes in Him would not be condemned, but He that believes not is condemned already because he has not believed in Him in John 3. That is just what it says, He is the Saviour, there is no other name given by which men may be saved, the Bible says. I just saying what it says, so people will know what it says if they have not read it. Okay, I type too long, bye.

Mike

 

[dawny0826]

In my Strong's Concordance, I found 13 verses in the Gospels where-in Jesus was worshipped, I looked up the greek and it was proskuneo, its #4352, and it can mean to kiss, like a dog licking its MASTER'S hand, to fawn or crouch, to prostrate oneself in homage, (do reverence to, adore), worship. All Bible-believing Christians and theologians and pastors I have ever known, heard, or read, agree that Jesus accepted worship. He also forgave sins, which only God can do. If Mary was not worshipping at her Master's feet, I don't know what you call worship! Jesus washed His disciples feet as a demonstration to them that they should be as servants. Totally different context here. The Bible says, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You will bow down and worship him, the Bible says even Satan will bow down and confess that Jesus is Lord. We can do it now, or do it before he tells us to depart from Him into everlasting punishment, now is the day of salvation, today, if you hear his voice, hearken unto it says the Bible. I believe this with all my heart, nothing will ever or has ever changed that in my life, and I am getting old. I believe and try to tell everyone that all people must decide what to do with Jesus, to believe in Him or not, as says the 3rd chapter of John, so, that is what I believe, others may believe what they will. Jesus said he that believes in Him would not be condemned, but He that believes not is condemned already because he has not believed in Him in John 3. That is just what it says, He is the Saviour, there is no other name given by which men may be saved, the Bible says. I just saying what it says, so people will know what it says if they have not read it. Okay, I type too long, bye.

Mike

I just wanted to post that as a Christian...I agree totally with Mike's post.

I believe in the very same things...so much...with all my heart.

Warm wishes to all.

 

[dawny0826]

In my Strong's Concordance, I found 13 verses in the Gospels where-in Jesus was worshipped, I looked up the greek and it was proskuneo, its #4352, and it can mean to kiss, like a dog licking its MASTER'S hand, to fawn or crouch, to prostrate oneself in homage, (do reverence to, adore), worship. All Bible-believing Christians and theologians and pastors I have ever known, heard, or read, agree that Jesus accepted worship. He also forgave sins, which only God can do. If Mary was not worshipping at her Master's feet, I don't know what you call worship! Jesus washed His disciples feet as a demonstration to them that they should be as servants. Totally different context here. The Bible says, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord. You will bow down and worship him, the Bible says even Satan will bow down and confess that Jesus is Lord. We can do it now, or do it before he tells us to depart from Him into everlasting punishment, now is the day of salvation, today, if you hear his voice, hearken unto it says the Bible. I believe this with all my heart, nothing will ever or has ever changed that in my life, and I am getting old. I believe and try to tell everyone that all people must decide what to do with Jesus, to believe in Him or not, as says the 3rd chapter of John, so, that is what I believe, others may believe what they will. Jesus said he that believes in Him would not be condemned, but He that believes not is condemned already because he has not believed in Him in John 3. That is just what it says, He is the Saviour, there is no other name given by which men may be saved, the Bible says. I just saying what it says, so people will know what it says if they have not read it. Okay, I type too long, bye.

Mike

Side note...we have the same Bible concordance as well. It's the greatest thing!

 

[joeboonda]

Thanks, Dawny! Yes, it Strong's Concordance has been very helpful to me, too. I am glad someone agrees with me, lol.

 

[wmam]

That's cool, I am not sure what your belief is, but it all seems fairly closely related somehow.

My belief is in Truth. I disagree with it being that close somehow.

Jesus accepted worship in other verses,

Accepted is a funny way to put it. I guess if someone licked me like a dog or just walked up and bowed as some do or even shake my hand, one could say that I accepted it.

and forgave sins,

No He did not......... He didn't do anything that wasn't from His Father YAH our Elohim.

I think of the woman with the alabaster box who annointed his feet, and kissed them and washed them with her hair and tears. I will have to look up all the places and get back to you, I am working overtime so, will not be able to do to much now.

Don't worry yourself with it. I have searched the Hebrew as well as the Greek and have learned the meaning of the word "Worship" in all it's different meanings and know when it is used to just acknowledge someone or to actually know when it is used as a devout, religious type of worship. It all boils down to a thought. The word "worship" itself? I wonder if it is a word that derived from the meaning of "worth". Or more simply feeling or showing worthiness as in "worthy-ship". Ummmmmmmm,...........

Do you believe in the deity of Christ?

If you are asking if I believe that YAHshua is Elohim, then I would state plainly no. There is but one Elohim and His name is YAH.

your profile does not disclose your religion

I do not believe in religion. It's man made and not that of Truth.

so, I am not sure where you are coming from.

As stated above. Truth.

Do you believe in the New Testament, or just the Old Testament,

I believe in the Scriptures, yes.

that would help me understand why you are debating the doctrine of the Trinity. Thanks, and sorry for my lack of attention.

Not debating to me. Just quoting and stating facts as I believe them to be as does everyone else here does.

 

[wmam]

In my Strong's Concordance, I found 13 verses in the Gospels where-in Jesus was worshipped, I looked up the greek and it was proskuneo, its #4352, and it can mean to kiss, like a dog licking its MASTER'S hand, to fawn or crouch, to prostrate oneself in homage, (do reverence to, adore), worship.

Yes as I have already posted.........

In the KJV the word "worship" as used here is shown in Strong's as .....

G4352
προσκυνέω
proskuneō
pros-koo-neh'-o
From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship.

But in ...............

Act 16:14 And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul.

Where it pertains to the worship of Elohim it is defined by Strong's as...........

G4576
σέβομαι
sebomai
seb'-om-ahee
Middle voice of an apparently primary verb; to revere, that is, adore: - devout, religious, worship.

To me there is a difference.

 

[joeboonda]

When I say he accepted worship, I mean he did not stop them from doing it. People tried to worship Peter, and John tried to worship an angel, both said do not do so, for it is only God whom we are to worship. You say you believe the scriptures, is this New Testament as well? For in the New Testament Jesus not only accepted worship, but he also forgave sins. I can add in the scripture if you would like.