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tisk tisk....:tsk:beckysoup61 said:I believe that the trinity is not at all in the Bible, but was made at the council of Nicea(spelling?).
Your welcome......... bye.Longwindedpreacher said:Thanks bye.
Well, I believe very much in the Trinity. I think it's true though that if you choose Christ...you've chosen life. And if you've accepted Christ's sacrifice for your sins and you love and obey God...well...then...I guess in that light it doesn't matter whether or not you've answered the Trinity question correctly.wmam said:Question........ Seriously..... What does it really matter? I mean why does it matter whether there is a trinity or not? What difference does it make whether there is a trinity or not? The word trinity is not to be found in any of the books of the Scriptures and yet man has puzzled the masses with its reckoning of something that he himself has dreamed up. Yahshua Ha Mashiach Ben Dawid never spoke of any trinity or surely it would have been written down somewhere and been so in a way that would have been plainly understood by all, if in fact it was of any importance. What did Yahshua say that we must do if we choose life? It doesn't have anything to do with answering correctly the question of the trinity.
It makes a pretty big difference to me if Jesus was really divine... or just a holy man.wmam said:Question........ Seriously..... What does it really matter? I mean why does it matter whether there is a trinity or not? What difference does it make whether there is a trinity or not?
With setting aside the differences we have in the names we choose to call YAH our Elohim, and His Son Yahshua Ha Mashiach, I agree with your assessment but this is not what I asked. I asked what Yahshua said if we choose life?dawny0826 said:Well, I believe very much in the Trinity. I think it's true though that if you choose Christ...you've chosen life. And if you've accepted Christ's sacrifice for your sins and you love and obey God...well...then...I guess in that light it doesn't matter whether or not you've answered the Trinity question correctly.
I believe in the Malakhim and that it rest on us to comfort us and show us the correct path. Guide us to the will of YAH. As happened to Yahshua Ha Mashiach........dawny0826 said:I have one question though...what are your views on the Holy Spirit? Do you believe in the indwelling of the Holy Spirit? Not to debate...I'm just curious.
Blessings to you.
According to your definition of "divine"..... I do not believe that Yahshua is Elohim. I have stated this over and over and over in just about every thread I have ever posted in here. I do not believe in the trinity. I believe as the Scripture plainly states that there is only one Elohim and the Son sits at the right hand of the Father YAH our Elohim. To me, Yahshua is higher than the angels but lower than YAH...... I believe that Yahshua was given this duty by our Father YAH our Elohim. He made Him the sacrificial lamb for the sins of trespass. He, Yahshua, had no power in and of Himself to do anything that wasn't granted and given by our Father YAH. As Yahshua said that .........Scott1 said:It makes a pretty big difference to me if Jesus was really divine... or just a holy man.
A holy man is pretty cool to learn from, but could not take away the sins of the world ---- in other words, Christianity goes down the crapper.
... but you are right, the "word" Trinity is not in the Bible... so how would you explain it?
wmam said:According to your definition of "divine"..... I do not believe that Yahshua is Elohim.
Let's get past this first question, then I'll understand better by your answer why I should believe anything this "Yahshua" fellow might have said.As Yahshua said that .........
When you ask what Jesus said when we choose life...my focus automatically goes to John 3:16.This is the promise to all who believe.I asked what Yahshua said if we choose life?
And here I thought all along that the Roman Catholics had already answered for themselves all these questions. Or is this an attempt to disprove others beliefs?Scott1 said:[/color]
Jesus is not God... got it.
Sooooo... was Jesus just a man with "special powers" to carry out the duty to become the "lamb for the sins of trespass".. or what?
Let's get past this first question, then I'll understand better by your answer why I should believe anything this "Yahshua" fellow might have said.
Yes and thank you as I to have enjoyed your post and hope to continue even though we do see things very differently.dawny0826 said:wmam,
I Know...I was more commenting than answering. :bonk:
You posted very nice scripture. I interpret verse 17 as Jesus humbling himself to make a point. He's counseling a young ruler who is very rich and very selfish. This individual is asking Jesus how he is to obtain eternal life. So, Jesus is answering this man on an individual level. Jesus advises the man to keep God's commandments and then advises the young man to...in verses 21 and 22...
"Jesus said to him, "If you want to be perfect, go sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven: and come, follow Me." But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful, for he had great possession."
Summary of verses 16-22 in Matthew Chapter 19...the young man that Jesus was talking to was too selfish to give up his riches to follow Christ. When I read the entire context of these verses, I don't see verse 17...as an instruction to all mankind so much as an individual statement made to one very selfish man that Jesus was counseling.
This just shows how two different people can interpret the very same verse a bit differently. I guess it doesn't make either one of us "right". It's just interesting to see how people view things differently.
Here's my answer to your actual question...
When you ask what Jesus said when we choose life...my focus automatically goes to John 3:16.This is the promise to all who believe.
"For God so loved the World, that he gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
When we choose life...we've chosen Christ...they key to everlasting life.
"Most assuredly I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life." John 6:47
From a "trinitarian" perspective, upon accepting Christ as your Saviour...you receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who guides and directs.
"And I will pray the Father and He will you another Helper that He may abide with you forever- the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you." John 14:16-18
I've enjoyed your posts. Thanks for sharing.
I'm not "the Roman Catholics"... I am Scott.... and I'm not sure why my asking a few simple questions to learn about why you believe what you believe has you so concerned, but....wmam said:And here I thought all along that the Roman Catholics had already answered for themselves all these questions. Or is this an attempt to disprove others beliefs?
Thanks for the word study, but why should I believe a word of it?I wonder what the Scriptures say He was.
Thanks, that clears it up.I believe that Yahshua was a man that, as you said, carried out a duty to become, or prepare rather, to be the sacrificial lamb for our trespass sins.
In submitting to it, Jesus established his solidarity with those who were the objects of John's (the Baptist) preaching, the faithful remnant of Israel.Why would He need to be Baptized and have the Spirit rest on Him if He was Elohim?
Yep... pretty confusing man.And after the Spirit rested on Him He continued to pray to YAH the Father up in heaven.
I may have asked you this before...what scriptures are you reading from? Do your texts refer to Jesus and God by their "formal" (for lack of a better word) names?wmam said:Oh Dawny0826,
I thought you might like this as well..........
1Jo 5:1 Whosoever believeth Yahshua Ha Mashiach is born of Elohim: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of Elohim, when we love Elohim, and keep his commandments.
1Jo 5:3 For this is the love of Elohim, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of Elohim overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Yahshua is the Son of Elohim?
1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Yahshua Ha Mashiach; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
Oh....... I apologize for my misunderstanding. See I thought that Roman Catholicism was your religion.........Scott1 said:I'm not "the Roman Catholics"... I am Scott....
Now why would I be concerned about you or anyone? Should I be? Scott? Is there something your not telling me?Scott1 said:and I'm not sure why my asking a few simple questions to learn about why you believe what you believe has you so concerned, but....
Ummmmmmmmm.............. I don't know. Why shouldn't you?Scott1 said:Thanks for the word study, but why should I believe a word of it?
Wrong. But I have this feeling you will disagree. LOLScott1 said:Isnt it just a book written by men about a man, right?
I would have to believe that it would being that YAH created all things.Scott1 said:Ooooh, by the way, please help me out: do any of those translations mean "created"?
Oh you are so very welcome. Glad to be of service.Scott1 said:Thanks, that clears it up.
Well I don't look at it quite like that though I am sure that yes He probably did satisfy them in so much as to who He was and all. I look at it as it is pretty much stated in the Scripture and thats it. Plain and simple. He didn't have the Spirit until He was Baptized. But John had the Spirit from the womb. Thats because He had to prepare the way.Scott1 said:In submitting to it, Jesus established his solidarity with those who were the objects of John's (the Baptist) preaching, the faithful remnant of Israel.
Or not, I guess.
For some............. I myself enjoy becoming closer to YAH my Elohim through His word. I make it my life's goal.Scott1 said:Yep... pretty confusing man.
And Praise YAH our Elohim in the name of Yahshua Ha Mashiach Ben Dawid, Shabbat Shalom!Scott1 said:Immaculata pray for us,
Scott
I use a program with many, many different translations. Sometimes I just erase the pagan names and put back the true names.in the KJV. I use the KJV when posting because it seems to be the most widely accepted version. Better for others understanding.dawny0826 said:I may have asked you this before...what scriptures are you reading from? Do your texts refer to Jesus and God by their "formal" (for lack of a better word) names?
It's nice to know...that despite differences in interpretation...we certainly speak of the very same God and can relate to His awesome Love, regardless of our approach to His Word.
I really appreciate the opportunity to share with others of like faith. It's so easy sometimes for me to get caught up in debate and then it hits me like a ton of bricks...Dawn...this isn't about you...this is about HIM.
It's been very rewarding to take the time to "listen" to what others say.
I'm partial to the NKJV. I read from several...but it's my favorite. I use the NCV for devotionals...it breaks everything down in detail. You use a computer program?wmam said:I use a program with many, many different translations. Sometimes I just erase the pagan names and put back the true names.in the KJV. I use the KJV when posting because it seems to be the most widely accepted version. Better for others understanding.
I to enjoy listening to others beliefs. Its the name calling and meanness of some that I have issue with. Some just like to stir the pot. LOL
Well........ I do like the JPS for the Tanach and the Pe****ta for the Gospels. I have come to realize that all versions have their flaws. You have to be very, very careful and do your homework. I strive each and every day to learn the true will of YAH. I feel pretty comfortable with it so far.dawny0826 said:I'm partial to the NKJV. I read from several...but it's my favorite. I use the NCV for devotionals...it breaks everything down in detail. You use a computer program?
That's super interesting...we're reading from practically the same version and read things differently.