Is Trinity in the Bible?

[may]

do we need the trinity doctrine to get everlasting life? no we need knowledge about Jehovah God and Jesus christ not 3 but only 2

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ ...john 17;3

 

[Super Universe]

I agree.

Really most of the bible is information that we don't really need and it certainly leads to confusion and debate.

Sometimes I wonder if we were actually expected to understand it all. Did the revealers think we were farther along than we were?

Maybe in the future we will understand and figure out the truly 'mysterious ways'.

 

[Katzpur]

Sometimes I wonder if we were actually expected to understand it all. Did the revealers think we were farther along than we were?

I'm quite certain we were supposed to be able to understand it all. God wants us to know and understand Him. He doesn't want to be the mystery we've made Him. Of course, we can't understand everything about Him, but we seem to be determined to make Him more complicated than He needs to be.

Maybe in the future we will understand and figure out the truly 'mysterious ways'.

Here's what Paul said on the subject of confusing doctrines:

Ephesians 4:11-14 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive…

1. Jesus Christ designated specific individuals to hold callings necessary to guide the affairs of the Church He established. Among them were apostles and prophets. (Yes, prophets.)

2. The purpose of this organization was to help in the work of perfecting the saints, to minister to them and to teach them.

3. This organization was to remain in place until we call came into a unity of faith.

4. Without this specific structure and organization, Christ's followers would be left in a position of not knowing which doctrines were true and which were false. They would be at the mercy of men who were uninspired and deceptive.

This is why the confusion and "mystery" exists today. What Paul said would happen if the foundation of apostles and prophets were destroyed did happen.

 

[wmam]

The scripture quoted goes on to say............

Eph 4:17 So this I say, and witness in the Master, that you should no longer walk as the gentiles walk, in the futility of their mind,
Eph 4:18 having been darkened in their understanding, having been estranged from the life of Elohim, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart,
Eph 4:19 who, having become callous, have given themselves up to indecency, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
Eph 4:20 But you have not so learned Messiah,
Eph 4:21 if indeed you have heard Him and were taught by Him, as truth is in Yahshua:
Eph 4:22 that you put off – with regard to your former way of life – the old man, being corrupted according to the desires of the deceit,
Eph 4:23 and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
Eph 4:24 and that you put on the renewed man which was created according to Elohim, in righteousness and set-apartness of the truth.
Eph 4:25 Therefore, having put off the false, speak truth, each one with his neighbour, for we are members of one another.
Eph 4:26 “Be wroth, but do not sin.” Do not let the sun go down on your rage,
Eph 4:27 nor give place to the devil.
Eph 4:28 Let him who stole steal no more, but rather let him labour, working with his hands what is good, so that he has somewhat to share with those in need.
Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt word come out of your mouth, but only such as is good for the use of building up, so as to impart what is pleasant to the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And do not grieve the Set-apart Spirit of Elohim, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and displeasure, and uproar, and slander be put away from you, along with all evil.
Eph 4:32 And be kind towards one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as Elohim also forgave you in Messiah.

Peace

 

[Yasin]

This should help you understand the trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

In the begining the Creator (Father) was alone in the void. God imagined a wonderful dream where things grew and prospered and created for themselves the lives they wanted. Now these things did not exist yet for there was nothing in the void to make them come true. It was only a dream.

The Prime Creator then created a copy of Himself, the First Son (Son), and placed Him in charge of what was to become. The First Son is responsible for ensuring the universe follows the Prime Creators original intent for the universe, choice of the beings within. All of this is for you.

Now the most incredible thing happened. The Prime Creator sacrificed His form to create all that is. All the matter that is the universe was instantly released into the void. Everything that you can see and feel is God. You are made from God. This should seem familiar to you already. Does it not sound similar to what Jesus did?

After the Prime Creator sacrificed His form only His Eternal Soul now remains (The Holy Ghost).

If this is not coming from scripture then from were?
in regards to, Super Universe

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

 

[Super Universe]

I would like to add to that final sentence in my quote that you posted.

The Holy Ghost, which is the Eternal Soul of the Creator, is sentient energy. I did not intend to imply that God is dead.

Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it just changes form.

 

[Yasin]

I agree.

Really most of the bible is information that we don't really need and it certainly leads to confusion and debate.

Sometimes I wonder if we were actually expected to understand it all. Did the revealers think we were farther along than we were?

Maybe in the future we will understand and figure out the truly 'mysterious ways'.

1 Cor.14:33 For God is not the author of confusion.... 1 Corinthians 14:33But then why is it so confusing?
The only conclusion that can be made is that it is not Gods word.

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

 

[Scuba Pete]

I agree.

Really most of the bible is information that we don't really need and it certainly leads to confusion and debate.

Sometimes I wonder if we were actually expected to understand it all. Did the revealers think we were farther along than we were?

Maybe in the future we will understand and figure out the truly 'mysterious ways'.

God does not change, but humans sure do! To that end, God has changed what we need to do to have a relationship with him. I see at least three stages of development.

Adam & Eve: Spiritual infancy. Only one rule: "don't touch the oven". They touched the oven!

Israel: Spirtual Childhood. Many more rules to help us learn about God and his world. Also to keep us safe in an increasingly complex world.

Christianity: Spiritual Teenhood. All those myriads of rules condensed into just two: Love God, and Love Everyone Else. We are required to think for ourself and to make spiritual judgements.

Unfortunately, man loves to re-invent the wheel and we have many, many people who are trying to make things HARDER. The apostles dealt with this often, not only from well meaning brothers, but themselves as well. Paul was so frustrated with one group, that he wished that they would emasculate themselves! Bwahahahahah.

Much of the Bible is written in Blog form. You can go back and see just how various people reacted to God. It's not meant to proscribe our relationship to God, as much as it was meant to describe how others handled their relationship. No one but Jesus is held up as being without sin and we have been instructed to "work out our salvation".

 

[jeffrey]

ND, I agree. I also believe in what is a personal relationship with Jesus. People are like snow flakes. No 2 people are alike. Jesus hones a spiritual relationship with him to fit our needs. That's why I don't believe in a 'blanket' religion. I believe that true with the Bible also. You can read a verse that hits home with you. I can read something different that hits home with me! continued...

 

[jeffrey]

It jerks my frog when people claim that there way is the only way. For them, yes. But for me, Christ has chosen a different path to fit my needs... and God's will. Different parts of the body. Different parts, but all important. Most of you understand this. But some don't.

 

[joeboonda]

Light is a form of energy, as like heat, sound etc. Light propagate in waves. Depending on the wave length, there is a range of which our human rectina receptacles can react to those lights, and hence sense the presence of these light. Some lights with short wavelength, you do not see it, however, it is then not given the nomenclature of 'light', but is more generally referred to as radiation, such as X-ray, gamma ray, etc. The intensity of the light (amplitude of the wave) determined whether you will feel 'hot' or not when it strikes your skin, as those light energy is then converted to accumulated heat energy on your skin leading to a rise in temperature.

So if God is light, He then is just a form of energy. It is just forcing yourself to split light into three to try to explain away Trinity.

I prefer to use a cup of coffee to describe Trinity, where the cup of coffee is made up of three component: coffee essense, water, and sugar (or milk)

I see you like science, I just thought it was cool is all. I often see the trinity as a pretzel, lol!!! It has 3 holes (wholes), and is one strand of bread woven to make all three 'wholes' and is a 'whole' pretzel in itself. LOL! I do not fell compelled to debate pretzels or the trinity tonite as its Christmas Eve, but I do like to eat pretzels, yum!

Joeboonda

 

[Popeyesays]

I see you like science, I just thought it was cool is all. I often see the trinity as a pretzel, lol!!! It has 3 holes (wholes), and is one strand of bread woven to make all three 'wholes' and is a 'whole' pretzel in itself. LOL! I do not fell compelled to debate pretzels or the trinity tonite as its Christmas Eve, but I do like to eat pretzels, yum!

Joeboonda

But only hte bread is the pretzel. The holes are "not-pretzel".

Regards,
Scott

 

[wmam]

1 Cor.14:33 For God is not the author of confusion.... 1 Corinthians 14:33But then why is it so confusing?
The only conclusion that can be made is that it is not Gods word.

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

Rom 1:28 And even as they did not think it worth- while to possess the knowledge of Elohim, Elohim gave them over to a worthless mind, to do what is improper,
Rom 1:29 having been filled with all unrighteousness, whoring, wickedness, greed, evil; filled with envy, murder, fighting, deceit, evil habits; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 slanderers, haters of Elohim, insolent, proud, boasters, devisers of evils, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 without discernment, covenant breakers, unloving, unforgiving, ruthless;
Rom 1:32 who, though they know the righteousness of Elohim, that those who practise such deserve death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practise them.

 

[greatcalgarian]

I see you like science, I just thought it was cool is all. I often see the trinity as a pretzel, lol!!! It has 3 holes (wholes), and is one strand of bread woven to make all three 'wholes' and is a 'whole' pretzel in itself. LOL! I do not fell compelled to debate pretzels or the trinity tonite as its Christmas Eve, but I do like to eat pretzels, yum!

Joeboonda

Pretzel goes well with the 3 in 1 coffee.

 

[Yasin]

ND, I agree. I also believe in what is a personal relationship with Jesus. People are like snow flakes. No 2 people are alike. Jesus hones a spiritual relationship with him to fit our needs. That's why I don't believe in a 'blanket' religion. I believe that true with the Bible also. You can read a verse that hits home with you. I can read something different that hits home with me! continued...

The truth is truth, if one wants to build a personal relationship with his/shies God then that is a Peronal, but what concerns me is at what point do you stop taking your own personal Views?
What are the Scriptures for?

Respectively, Yasin:bounce

 

[jeffrey]

Yasin, I believe the scriptures are for guidance. If God is within you, guiding you, you should trust it. The scriptures are not 100% accurate. Some try to find to much meaning and lose perspective of how God wants us to live.

 

[searcher63]

Both the word "TRINITY" and the concept of a triune God are not found in the bible. Some like to make the argument for a 3-in-one GOD based on the same few scriptures that, on the outset, seem to support that. However, if you research it you will find that the Catholic church took the idea of three gods in one from the Pagan three-headed gods worshipped around them. This mixing of Pagan beliefs with "Christianity"was done to increase the church rolls, and thus the coffers and to solidify its standing as a political force of the time. Now the doctrin is merely, accepted as Biblical fact with only a few true students willing to question its validity.
As for the scriptures used to support the Trinity most are taken out of context and some have even been altered from their original greek text to lend credence to the false doctrin.
Again, a careful study of the scriptures will reveal that the vast majority of verses support the idea that GOD ALMIGHTY is one being, JESUS is his son and a totally seperate being, and, THE HOLY SPIRIT is NOT a being but is in fact GOD's ACTIVE FORCE by which he gets things accomplished according to his will.

 

[michel]

Both the word "TRINITY" and the concept of a triune God are not found in the bible. Some like to make the argument for a 3-in-one GOD based on the same few scriptures that, on the outset, seem to support that. However, if you research it you will find that the Catholic church took the idea of three gods in one from the Pagan three-headed gods worshipped around them. This mixing of Pagan beliefs with "Christianity"was done to increase the church rolls, and thus the coffers and to solidify its standing as a political force of the time. Now the doctrin is merely, accepted as Biblical fact with only a few true students willing to question its validity.
As for the scriptures used to support the Trinity most are taken out of context and some have even been altered from their original greek text to lend credence to the false doctrin.
Again, a careful study of the scriptures will reveal that the vast majority of verses support the idea that GOD ALMIGHTY is one being, JESUS is his son and a totally seperate being, and, THE HOLY SPIRIT is NOT a being but is in fact GOD's ACTIVE FORCE by which he gets things accomplished according to his will.

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[jeffrey]

Good morning, Sir Michel! I did a google search and came up blank. I would love to hear James or Victor's take on this.

 

[Scuba Pete]

This mixing of Pagan beliefs with "Christianity"was done to increase the church rolls, and thus the coffers and to solidify its standing as a political force of the time.

I am not sure that we need to confer such a negative attribute here. More often than not, most people associated with Christianity have much more noble goals. Until such time as I see raw manipulation, I assume that most people have the truth as their motive, just like I do.