Is Trump About To Blow His Record Of No New Wars?

[Enoch07]

Not really concerned about it.

Iran has been begging to become a parking lot for many years now.

 

[Cooky]

Can you find an actual quote threatening that?
I can find one where the US threatens to obliterate
them...the people, not just the government or military.

There's this from the past:

Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says

...And currently, they seem to hold the same views -not unwilling to draw multiple nations into a much larger war than what's rational. They're crazy. . They would start world war 3 if they could:

Israeli minister warns of attacks on Israel if tensions between US, Iran escalate

Senior cleric says Iran will target Israel and other US allies if Trump attacks

 

[Cassandra]

Do they?
The USA has been attacking Iran for decades. The Russians are working with Iran, to counter the USA in the middle east oil fields. The USA has imposed big sanctions, reneging on the deal that we forced upon them. And Russia also has nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers to back up Iran.
So, playing ball with Putin and not Trump looks like a totally winning bet for the Iranian government to me.
I'd do it, if I were them.

Help Russia take out Saudi Arabia and Israel, and with them American power in the Gulf oil fields, and Iran wins the game. The USA loses, y-u-u-u-gely.

Actually, Putin's Russia wins. Which is why Putin wanted President Trump.
To.

In my opinion the most aggressively led countries in the world today are Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA. Actually USA is number one, but its foreign policy is driven to a great extend by the lobbies of the first two next to ruthless corporations. These groups justify their war crimes spreading the kind of paranoia you seem to buy into.

Here are their real enemies,
they victimize them in great numbers.

Are you sure you want to side with this lot? Then you also carry co-responsibility for their crimes.

By the way, Trump has been a positive exception so far, by not engaging in war. I hope he keeps his record clean. I do not expect him do engage in real war. He rightly sees that as a distraction from real American peoples interests.

 

[Revoltingest]

There's this from the past:

Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says

This is passive voice.
Less of a threat than USA has made to obliterate Iran.

...And currently, they seem to hold the same views -not unwilling to draw multiple nations into a much larger war than what's rational. They're crazy. . They would start world war 3 if they could:

Israeli minister warns of attacks on Israel if tensions between US, Iran escalate

I wouldn't trust anything about Iran coming from Israel,
which lobbied Obama to attack Iran unprovoked.

Senior cleric says Iran will target Israel and other US allies if Trump attacks

If Iran is attacked, then US & allies would indeed be fair targets.

Observe....
USA sends ships, troops, & materiel to Iran's shores.
Does Iran send them to ours?
No. And this is despite our having attacked them before.
Which country shot down an airliner from the other country?
USA.

 

[Cassandra]

There's this from the past:

Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says

Ahmadinejad Never said that.

When it comes to lies there are two kinds of evil. Those who invent them, and those who spread them around.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ahmadinejad Never said that.

When it comes to lies there are two kinds of evil. Those who invent them, and those who spread them around.

NYT would be a poor source to trust regarding an
Iranian's statement being translated from Farsi to English.

 

[sooda]

There's this from the past:

Wipe Israel 'off the map' Iranian says

...And currently, they seem to hold the same views -not unwilling to draw multiple nations into a much larger war than what's rational. They're crazy. . They would start world war 3 if they could:

Israeli minister warns of attacks on Israel if tensions between US, Iran escalate

Senior cleric says Iran will target Israel and other US allies if Trump attacks

Over the past 25 years Israel has often threatened Iran as well.. actually since the Shah was overthrown.. Israel used to buy oil from Iran.. So Israel contributes to the tensions and its a useful existential fear to keep the Likkud in power. Shame really since both Israelis and Palestinians deserve peace..

Meanwhile, there is talk in Washington of deploying 120,000 US troops to the ME.

 

[sooda]

In my opinion the most aggressively led countries in the world today are Israel, Saudi Arabia and the USA. Actually USA is number one, but its foreign policy is driven to a great extend by the lobbies of the first two next to ruthless corporations. These groups justify their war crimes spreading the kind of paranoia you seem to buy into.

Here are their real enemies,
they victimize them in great numbers.

Are you sure you want to side with this lot? Then you also carry co-responsibility for their crimes.

By the way, Trump has been a positive exception so far, by not engaging in war. I hope he keeps his record clean. I do not expect him do engage in real war. He rightly sees that as a distraction from real American peoples interests.

Historically, every time Israel was threatened by Iran, they threatened to blow up oil infrastructure in Eastern Saudi Arabia which isn't far from Tehran as the crow flies. That's has kept many US presidents since Nixon in line.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

.....
Trump has been a positive exception so far, by not engaging in war. I hope he keeps his record clean. I do not expect him do engage in real war. He rightly sees that as a distraction from real American peoples interests.

To be honest Trump has increased drone strikes, particularly in Somalia and Yemen. But two months ago he stopped all reporting of civilian casualty rates from those drone strikes.
So he likes to bomb people associated with terrorist groups, but he doesn’t want anyone finding out about it.

How this might influence his desire to go into a hot war, with boots on the ground, is yet to be seen. But again as many others have pointed out, his desire for power and money overwhelms most of his erstwhile “thinking”, and everyone knows that an incumbent president in war is less likely to be voted out of office.

 

[columbus]

Are you sure you want to side with this lot? Then you also carry co-responsibility for their crimes.

I'm not sure why you think I'm taking a side. I just gave my view of the reality.

By the way, Trump has been a positive exception so far, by not engaging in war. I hope he keeps his record clean. I do not expect him do engage in real war. He rightly sees that as a distraction from real American peoples interests.

I wish I shared your optimism concerning Trump's judgment, but I don't. There are too many people who want the USA to escalate to violent conflict, Zionists and Russians and the U.S. military/industrial complex and a huge chunk of Trump's base.
Tom

 

[Cassandra]

NYT would be a poor source to trust regarding an
Iranian's statement being translated from Farsi to English.

The larger media have become propaganda machinery for interest groups.

Even if there is still good journalism as well, there are these constant mantra's of interest groups that take on religious proportions. Like trying to stamp people negatively for having another view (like calling them deniers, discriminators, fascists, communists, etc.), and constantly misrepresenting other views, purposely insulting people to invite them to do the same. It is a deliberate policy of interest groups to sabotage intelligent discussion, and create a false picture of majority consensus as the politically correct view by shouting most and hardest.

The good news is that the large majority of people do not buy into it.

As much as they want to make believe otherwise, anyone who is half sane and has a minimum of empathy does not call for war.

 

[Revoltingest]

As much as they want to make believe otherwise, anyone who is half sane and has a minimum of empathy does not call for war.

Alas, empathy is often reserved for one's own group, but not for others.
So many cry "But Iran threatened Israel !!".
But they don't examine their own country & allies by the same standard.

 

[Cooky]

Ahmadinejad Never said that.

When it comes to lies there are two kinds of evil. Those who invent them, and those who spread them around.

The larger media have become propaganda machinery for interest groups.

Even if there is still good journalism as well, there are these constant mantra's of interest groups that take on religious proportions. Like trying to stamp people negatively for having another view (like calling them deniers, discriminators, fascists, communists, etc.), and constantly misrepresenting other views, purposely insulting people to invite them to do the same. It is a deliberate policy of interest groups to sabotage intelligent discussion, and create a false picture of majority consensus as the politically correct view by shouting most and hardest.

The good news is that the large majority of people do not buy into it.

As much as they want to make believe otherwise, anyone who is half sane and has a minimum of empathy does not call for war.

I refuse to believe in a mass media inspired conspiracy theory.

...Im assuming you think 911 was an inside job too.

Was the moon landing also a hoax?

...Chemtrails anyone?

 

[Revoltingest]

I refuse to believe in a mass media inspired conspiracy theory.

I attribute it to culture & religion rather than any concerted conspiracy.
Consider....
A country run primarily by Christians & Jews will favor the latter over
Muslims, who are often called "savages" or worse here.

 

[Cooky]

I attribute it to culture & religion rather than any concerted conspiracy.
Consider....
A country run primarily by Christians & Jews will favor the latter over
Muslims, who are often called "savages" or worse here.

If the Muslim countries were more civil, they wouldnt be the savages that they are. As it is, Iran shows exactly what it is when it forces homosexuals into sex change operations, and executes 8 year old children as an accepted practice.

...And people defend that governance / culture.

 

[Revoltingest]

If the Muslim countries were more civil, they wouldnt be the savages that they are. As it is, Iran shows exactly what it is when it forces homosexuals into sex change operations, and executes 8 year old children as an accepted practice.

...And people defend that governance / culture.

What does it say about us that we've executed more Iranians than they have?
People complain to high heaven about Russian interference in our election,
yet we staged a coup to replace a democratically elected leader with the Shah.
If they're savages, that would make us even worse. So that's a poor excuse
to continually attack them.

 

[Cooky]

What does it say about us that we've executed more Iranians than they have?
People complain to high heaven about Russian interference in our election,
yet we staged a coup to replace a democratically elected leader with the Shah.
If they're savages, that would make us even worse. So that's a poor excuse
to continually attack them.

But isn't it true that they're threatening to shoot our aircraft carriers when they're in international waters? So they're starting problems in my view.

 

[columbus]

If the Muslim countries were more civil, they wouldnt be the savages that they are. As it is, Iran shows exactly what it is when it forces homosexuals into sex change operations, and executes 8 year old children as an accepted practice.

...And people defend that governance / culture.

Have you looked around at the USA lately?
The corruption, violence, drugs, crime? Our history of disasterous invasions of other countries?
The hypocrisy of referring to Iranians as savages would be breathtaking if it weren't so common.
Tom

 

[columbus]

But isn't it true that they're threatening to shoot our aircraft carriers when they're in international waters? So they're starting problems in my view.

The "problems" started in the 50s.
American lack of historical knowledge and short attention span doesn't change the fact that we are, and have been for decades, the aggressors.

I'm not defending the ugly parts of Iranian culture or government. I'm just putting it in perspective. They have very good reasons for referring to us as "The Great Satan".
Tom

 

[Cooky]

Have you looked around at the USA lately?
The corruption, violence, drugs, crime? Our history of disasterous invasions of other countries?
The hypocrisy of referring to Iranians as savages would be breathtaking if it weren't so common.
Tom

But pretty much every human rights organization says Iran is a chronic violator.
Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia

...They're just like Russia, the other savages.