This is something that was known at the time of the election.
Tom
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Is Trump About To Blow His Record Of No New Wars?
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Tom
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Yes, and it was before the election that Scarborough said this. Since then, he has left the Republican Party in disgust of Trump and the fact that the vast majority of the Congressional Republicans won't stand up to him unless they decide not to run for reelection.
Cassandra
Active Member
Common sense, they stand much more to lose than to gain
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Iranians seem a friendly and good people themselves. A fairly safe middle East country for foriegners to visit.
Their govt on the other hand.....
I honestly have mixed feelings about the country.
Best advice all the same, is don't ever **** with a US carrier group.
Trade wars are wars, too; but maybe its a defensive trade war?
Trade wars, bad though they be, aren't real wars.
Do they?
The USA has been attacking Iran for decades. The Russians are working with Iran, to counter the USA in the middle east oil fields. The USA has imposed big sanctions, reneging on the deal that we forced upon them. And Russia also has nuclear weapons and aircraft carriers to back up Iran.
So, playing ball with Putin and not Trump looks like a totally winning bet for the Iranian government to me.
I'd do it, if I were them.
Help Russia take out Saudi Arabia and Israel, and with them American power in the Gulf oil fields, and Iran wins the game. The USA loses, y-u-u-u-gely.
Actually, Putin's Russia wins. Which is why Putin wanted President Trump.
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Until somebody declares "For God and Country!". Then they're real wars, with massive death and destruction.
Tom
You mean, as opposed to the USA? With all the violence and division we have?
Tom
A moment of empathy: V. Putin is doing what he's supposed to, and he's got a country that is still reeling from underpopulation due to the wars. Its severely underpopulated. It shares a border with China and Europe, and its got to compete economically with both China and Europe as well as remain prepared for any threats from them. Siberia is a frozen wasteland.
Russia's actions towards Ukraine don't seem smart, but I can understand the cold logic to gain citizens and land (that isn't frozen tundra). Russia plans to hold onto the land it has grabbed from Ukraine and wait out the political effects. What we should do now is leverage that plan and try to get the sanctions lifted at the same time as we work to be better friends with Ukraine as well as Russia. The relationship should become less military and more trade related.
What about the Baltic states? They are in a sticky situation, so we should favor them in trade negotiations.
The business with Enron's gas line in Afhanistan should be repudiated. It was a mistake that should be undone and makes us as stinky if not stinkier than Russia is with its acquisitions. We don't have 'Good guy' status right now because of that embarrassment. The fact is that Trump probably looks representative, and he's a traditionalist bad boy.
Destroy an enemy by turning them into a friend. That's the only way out of this mess.
We still call them trade wars to underline the strong similarities. As with war its the poor and the peons who bear the brunt.
Obama and Clinton tried to do that with Iran.
Trump and his Christian supporters and @Revoltingest promised not to do that. They wanted a war. They traded peace for Trump. They have created another generation or two of enemies in Iran. Right in the heart of the oil fields that they will go to war to protect.
Expect a war. I do.
Tom
Though people die just as ugly from economic strife and poverty as they do in the trenches.
Recall this is all baby boomer stuff. In fact they are the generation most tainted by war and infected by it. They are in many ways one of our best generations, but they also have this tendency to leap into battle. Its because of their time and because they have successfully fought truly evil ideals (marxist revolutionary ideas). The communists and the Nazis did nearly destroy western civilization. It was quite close and was a protracted struggle. How could the boomers not be a little bit jumpy after all of that? They are, however, dying. The political makeup of the electorate is changing.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I am sure that no matter what happens that it will not be Trump's fault
sooda
Veteran Member
War with Iran will make the Iraq war look like a walk in the park.
This is typical of escalating provocation, ie, one can always blame theI am sure that no matter what happens that it will not be Trump's fault
other side for doing something, while one's own acts are defendable.
I promise nothing regarding the actions of others.
Are you still stinging from Hillary's loss, & still taking
it out on me with false claims? Stick to the issues.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Don't worry, it will only be a police action. We need to put Iran under arrest.
Does that work?
I don't think trade war strife rises to the level of ugliness of trench warfare.
But I prefer to avoid both.