Is Trump About To Blow His Record Of No New Wars?

[Revoltingest]

But isn't it true that they're threatening to shoot our aircraft carriers when they're in international waters? So they're starting problems in my view.

They're starting the problems?
1953 We overthrow democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh, installing the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi.
1977 Iranians overthrow our puppet, the Shah, setting the stage for an Islamic theocracy.
1980 We support Iraq's attack on Iran buy supplying them with military assistance, including WMDs. A million or so Iranians died.
1988 We shoot down Iran Air Flight 655, killing 290 people.
2007 Presidential candidate, John McCain sings "Bomb Bomb Iran".
2016 Hillary campaigns for President by proudly saying "the Iranians" are her enemies.
She hates about 80 million people?
2017 Trump welches on nuclear treaty with Iran, threatening economic sanctions.
He then threatens allies who don't impose an oil embargo against Iran.

We've also had plans drawn up to invade Iran for decades.
(A friend worked on a mortar hauling vehicle designed for this singular purpose.)
Nuclear armed Israel (the tail which wags this dog) has openly discussed preemptive bombing of Iran.

Who started this?
Who is threatening whom?

 

[Revoltingest]

But pretty much every human rights organization says Iran is a chronic violator.
Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia

...They're just like Russia, the other savages.

Do they deserve to be attacked & killed for being "savages"?
Should we do this to all savages, like Israel, which also
has a poor human rights record?

 

[Cooky]

Iran:
Homosexual acts and adultery are criminal and punishable by life imprisonment or death after multiple offenses, and the same sentences apply to convictions for treasonand apostasy. Those accused by the state of homosexual acts are routinely flogged and threatened with execution.[156][157][158][159][160][161][162] Iran is one of seven countries in the world that apply the death penalty for homosexual acts; all of them justify this punishment with Islamic law.

Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia

 

[sooda]

If the Muslim countries were more civil, they wouldnt be the savages that they are. As it is, Iran shows exactly what it is when it forces homosexuals into sex change operations, and executes 8 year old children as an accepted practice.

...And people defend that governance / culture.

Which countries are you talking about?

 

[Revoltingest]

Iran:
Homosexual acts and adultery are criminal and punishable by life imprisonment or death after multiple offenses, and the same sentences apply to convictions for treasonand apostasy. Those accused by the state of homosexual acts are routinely flogged and threatened with execution.[156][157][158][159][160][161][162] Iran is one of seven countries in the world that apply the death penalty for homosexual acts; all of them justify this punishment with Islamic law.

And so the country should be attacked, & its people killed?
You're siding with Hillary, McCain, & the fanatical Zionists?
Remember that the US (& Britain) have a hand in creating this theocracy
when we attacked them in the 1953 coup to install the leader they overthrew.
We owe Iran an apology, not continued attacking & killing.

 

[sooda]

Iran:
Homosexual acts and adultery are criminal and punishable by life imprisonment or death after multiple offenses, and the same sentences apply to convictions for treasonand apostasy. Those accused by the state of homosexual acts are routinely flogged and threatened with execution.[156][157][158][159][160][161][162] Iran is one of seven countries in the world that apply the death penalty for homosexual acts; all of them justify this punishment with Islamic law.

You aren't an expert in Islamic juris prudence.

 

[Cassandra]

I refuse to believe in a mass media inspired conspiracy theory.

Good for you. I guess, you are one of those healthy war mongers, who believe Iran wants to destroy Israel

...Im assuming you think 911 was an inside job too.

Was the moon landing also a hoax?

...Chemtrails anyone?

Sorry, I am neither a "believer" nor "disbeliever"/"denier". You need a different mindset for that.

You want my estimations?
911: It stinks, might well be an inside job
Moon landing: Technological miracle
Chemtrails: unlikely

 

[Cooky]

Do they deserve to be attacked & killed for being "savages"?
Should we do this to all savages, like Israel, which also
has a poor human rights record?

But Israel, in my view, is just like any Western country. All the popular bands play there, they enjoy the arts, and have freedom of expression and religion. They have good universities and embrace multi-culturalism.

Israel is a true beacon of light in an otherwise very dark, cold Middle East.

 

[Revoltingest]

But Israel, in my view, is just like any Western country. All the popular bands play there, they enjoy the arts, and have freedom of expression and religion. They have good universities and embrace multi-culturalism.

Israel is a true beacon of light in an otherwise dark Middle East.

I get that you like them, & hate Iran.
But this doesn't justify attacking Iran....again.
Moreover, Iran was once the kind of country you
liked...very western, until we changed all that.
You'd have us kill people for problems we caused.
Now that is the epitome of savagery.

 

[columbus]

Iran:
Homosexual acts and adultery are criminal and punishable by life imprisonment or death after multiple offenses, and the same sentences apply to convictions for treasonand apostasy. Those accused by the state of homosexual acts are routinely flogged and threatened with execution.[156][157][158][159][160][161][162] Iran is one of seven countries in the world that apply the death penalty for homosexual acts; all of them justify this punishment with Islamic law.

Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia

This is also the case in Saudi Arabia. Shouldn't we be imposing sanctions on them as well?

Have you forgotten that all but one of the 911 attackers were Saudis? And that Osama bin Laden was a rich Saudi?

Why aren't they a target of American ire?

Tom

 

[Cooky]

You aren't an expert in Islamic juris prudence.

That was from wikipedia. Not me.

 

[sooda]

That was from wikipedia. Not me.

Lolol. They don't know either.

 

[Cooky]

This is also the case in Saudi Arabia. Shouldn't we be imposing sanctions on them as well?

Have you forgotten that all but one of the 911 attackers were Saudis? And that Osama bin Laden was a rich Saudi?

Why aren't they a target of American ire?

Tom

I am 100% all for isolating Saudi Arabia just the same. I don't want their oil, and an end to OPEC would be ideal, IMO

I'm against all human rights violators including Russia and China, Saudi and Iran. All savages, IMO.

 

[Cooky]

Lolol. They don't know either.

I suppose you know better?

 

[sooda]

I am 100% all for isolating Saudi Arabia just the same. I don't want their oil, and an end to OPEC would be ideal, IMO

Arabia has never been the bad guy in this and 0pec made the us a super power.

 

[columbus]

But Israel, in my view, is just like any Western country. All the popular bands play there, they enjoy the arts, and have freedom of expression and religion. They have good universities and embrace multi-culturalism.

Israel is a true beacon of light in an otherwise very dark, cold Middle East.

I also really like Israel, generally.
But if you want to judge a country based on the assessments of "many civil rights organizations", then you should look at their findings concerning Israel.
Tom

 

[Cooky]

I get that you like them, & hate Iran.
But this doesn't justify attacking Iran....again.
Moreover, Iran was once the kind of country you
liked...very western, until we changed all that.
You'd have us kill people for problems we caused.
Now that is the epitome of savagery.

No, I'm only for defending our country. If Iran shoots and destroys our personnel and their carriers, as they just said they will, in free, international waters... Then they will have started war.

 

[columbus]

No, I'm only for defending our country. If Iran shoots and destroys our personnel and their carriers, as they just said they will, in free, international waters... Then they will have started war.

If we threaten them, sanction them, and then send weapons and soldiers to their shores, you still think that they started it?

Do you know the term "sucker punch"?
Tom

 

[sooda]

I suppose you know better?

Yes indeed.

 

[Cassandra]

What does it say about us that we've executed more Iranians than they have?
People complain to high heaven about Russian interference in our election,
yet we staged a coup to replace a democratically elected leader with the Shah.
If they're savages, that would make us even worse. So that's a poor excuse
to continually attack them.

The problem with fundamentalist ideology (religious or not) is that it creates a supremacist mindset. "We the people of God", "His Chosen One(s)" and "Them the enemies of God", "The Evil". This then creates a double standard, in which the means we use are always justified by the end, and nothing they do can ever find appreciation. If they do the slightest evil, this is proof of their evil, if they do good, it is proof of greater evil, as they are hiding their evil.

As I read in a Talmudic discussion. Even though the pig has fully split hooves, he is actually worse than other animals that have no split hooves at all. Why? Because the pig is not kosher but he tries to hide that from us by having split hooves. This makes the pig the most evil of all!

Replace pigs with Russia, China, Iran, or any other ideological enemy.
No way the pig can defend himself.