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Is Trump dishonest?

Is Trump dishonest

  • Yes

    Votes: 20 74.1%
  • No

    Votes: 7 25.9%

  • Total voters
    27

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I keep hearing that Trump is our most dishonest President. Please give me some examples of how he has been dishonest.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I keep hearing that Trump is our most dishonest President. Please give me some examples of how he has been dishonest.
Tricky question.
Dishonest in general, or just noticably?
More dishonest than most people?
More so than most pols or presidents?
 

Brickjectivity

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
A person's identity is always partly dependent upon how other people see us. Psychology is so weird that its hard to figure out when a person is trying to be dishonest and when they actually believe things that aren't true. Its also hard to be objective.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
A person's identity is always partly dependent upon how other people see us. Psychology is so weird that its hard to figure out when a person is trying to be dishonest and when they actually believe things that aren't true. Its also hard to be objective.
I'd say he believes things that aren't true rather than consciously choosing to be dishonest
 

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I think 'opportunist' best describes him. Will he have a positive effect on the country? I hope so (same for all our presidents). Is he more or less honest than previous presidents? IDK. Google past president lies and compare. But as Brickjectivity noted it depends lot on a persons perspective.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
I'm no longer certain if Trump even has a concept of honesty.

Google Trump's lies.

Perhaps a more interesting question is, what does it say about people these days that so many of us excuse, deny, or ignore his lies?

If you think the world is scary when Trump lies, its get even scarier when he tells the truth. :eek:

 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
Still hard to answer because discerning between falsehood due to error v intent can be hard to discern.

Do you have any opinions on the matter? Not asking for proof.

My opinion is that all politicians are dishonest, including all previous presidents. Trump seems more dishonest than previous presidents.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Psychology is so weird that its hard to figure out when a person is trying to be dishonest and when they actually believe things that aren't true.

While there's a great deal of truth to what you say, it is also the case that in many instances it's pretty clear someone is lying. To say that it's hard to tell in all instances, simply because it's hard to tell in some instances, is to stick your head in the sand.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Do you have any opinions on the matter? Not asking for proof.

My opinion is that all politicians are dishonest, including all previous presidents. Trump seems more dishonest than previous presidents.
I've seen all presidents (in my years of watching'm) say things which I'm certain are dishonest.
But I've seen even more things which might just be error, opinion, & mis-speaking.
Is Trump worse?
He's far more given to rash statements, so there's an awful lot of bad info.
I can say that he will lie at times.
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
I've seen all presidents (in my years of watching'm) say things which I'm certain are dishonest.
But I've seen even more things which might just be error, opinion, & mis-speaking.
Is Trump worse?
He's far more given to rash statements, so there's an awful lot of bad info.
I can say that he will lie at times.

Yeah, patience is not one of his virtues.
 

buddhist

Well-Known Member
I keep hearing that Trump is our most dishonest President. Please give me some examples of how he has been dishonest.
Is he speaking based on misinformation, or does he harbor the intention to deceive? I'm not sure yet - I'll judge him after the fact - when his presidency is over.

Thus far, it seems that Trump is at least trying to keep his campaign promises, so I'll give him points for that (whether or not I agree with those positions & promises he's keeping is a different story).

Until then, here's a list of campaign promises 0bama made that he didn't keep.
 
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