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Is Trump dishonest?
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Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
Five people voted "no" so far.
That is amazing. You can be with Trump on everyone of his issues, but he is an obvious, pants-on-fire liar. . .
I can understand how some may have found reasons to vote for him. I get that.
But you didn't vote for him because you thought he was honest . . . pretending that you did makes you as dishonest as they come.
That is amazing. You can be with Trump on everyone of his issues, but he is an obvious, pants-on-fire liar. . .
I can understand how some may have found reasons to vote for him. I get that.
But you didn't vote for him because you thought he was honest . . . pretending that you did makes you as dishonest as they come.
Spiderman
Veteran Member
I could be mistaken, but my belief was that Trump speaks falsehood but believes it to be true. I could be wrong
Jeremiahcp
Well-Known Jerk
Or lazy. . . . .
Well, let's just be glad he is not in charge of anything important.
Kuzcotopia
If you can read this, you are as lucky as I am.
I'm an optimist. I have to assume that he actually understands what he's doing.
Otherwise we have a mental incompetent running the executive branch of the United States. I suppose there are many Republicans in Congress, and in his own beaurcracy, who may find that kind of pliant mind useful to forward their agendas, but as a liberal deeply concerned with avoiding unnecessary war and alienating allies and potential allies. . . Well, such dementia would be disastrous.
So, looking on the bright side. . . He's a mentally competent bald-faced liar.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
We certainly know that Obama wasn't honest, and of course Hillary dilliary, and Billy the kid, in fact most presidents were never honest, so why pick on Trump, wait I know why, because you cannot get over the fact that you lost. 
I should hope he doesn't really believe illegals took his popular vote and that China invented a global warming conspiracy but I gotta wonder.
By that measure, most people who are jailed are honest.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
If the Federal Government allows illegal immigrants to get State Driver's licenses with absolutely no repercussions for claiming to reside in the U.S. illegally, then it is not a stretch to believe that illegal immigrants could have voted in this or past Presidential elections.
I'm not so sure if China invented the global warming myth, but practically nothing that so many global warming fabricators claimed would happen (including Gore) have happened.
Not really, people with green cards can't vote.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Just how foreign nationals cannot reside in the U.S. without having the proper classification?
Yet we have millions who don't that are.
They get deported then come back over, many having been deported six times.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
Most are not deported though. They are given a "Notice to Appear" before an Immigration Judge and never do so.
These people "cannot" live here, but they do. Just like how they "cannot" vote, but they most likely do.
I don't see how an illegal is going to vote when not even a legal immigrant(someone with green card) can't vote. There would have to be rampant voter fraud which there is no evidence for. I would love for Trump to audit califorrnia, he might find 200 votes someone stuffed in the cushions. No votes were found floating in the harbors this year.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
During this past election cycle, noncitizens were discovered on voter registration rolls in both Virginia and Pennsylvania.
https://publicinterestlegal.org/files/Report_Alien-Invasion-in-Virginia.pdf
https://www.lifezette.com/polizette/illegal-voters-uncovered-philly-just-tip-iceberg/
Then those states need a better system. Depending on the state they do sweeps to check for things, for example people can't vote if they are in the middle of a felony. Maybe a bunch of felons would try and break the law and vote, who knows, I am sure there are cases but Trump will not find the 3 million he is looking for in California, which he named specifically.
Prestor John
Well-Known Member
How can you so easily agree that there could be flaws in the system, but then make such a definitive claim?
Anyways, not everyone agrees with you.
I'll refer you to volume 36 of the journal titled, "Electoral Studies - An International Journal on Voting and Electoral Systems and Strategy" in the section titled "Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?"
It can be found here - http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0261379414000973
They calculate that up to 2.8 million non-citizens may have voted in the 2008 election.
They also claimed that, "We find that there is reason to believe non-citizen voting changed one state's Electoral College votes in 2008, delivering North Carolina to Obama, and that non-citizen votes have also led to Democratic victories in congressional races including a critical 2008 Senate race that delivered for Democrats a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority in the Senate."
Who knows how many more non-citizen voters we had eight years later and how that would have impacted the primary vote.