Is Woke a religion?

[TagliatelliMonster]

That's because ît's become another "boogeyman" term. And everyone has their own ideas about who and what the "boogeyman" is.

The term originally just referred to any form of cognitive awakening. Usually a good thing. And for about ten seconds that was how it was being used among progressives. But the upside-down world of angry radicalized conservatives couldn't allow anything progressive to be good. So they had to turn it into a negative by using it as a form of slander and insult. And they are very persistent at it.

I agree. These days, it seems to primarily come up with a fundamentalist connotation of both the pro- and contra side.

Personally I think it's all bs and the idea of it shouldn't even be necessary.
Just treat humans as individuals with respect and be done with it.

 

[Magic Man]

Not my job to educate you, that will save me some time

No, it's not your job to educate me. I was educating you. Your job would be to address the education I gave you. Instead you ignore it because you don't want to acknowledge that it's true. And this weak attempt to deflect only makes things worse.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

I'm a classical liberal. Many, many times on this forum I've enumerated all of the liberal values and causes I support. One of the concerns I have about these bad, far-left solutions, is that they are like pitching softballs to our far right opponents. It's not enough for us liberals to say "oh, well the trans rights activists are well intended". Or "the DEI activists are well intended". Our opponents on the far right are often reprehensible, but we cannot underestimate them. If we support crappy solutions - no matter how well intended - they will pounce on those mistakes.

Sorry, then. I have never encountered somebody objecting to trans issues that wasn't objecting to their existence or repulsed by it. Perhaps you are actually interested in their well-being.

Does my answer above work for your questions? ^^

Yes

I understood this differently. Not that people don't want the discussion, but that people don't want to see bad solutions in action.

OK. Once again, that's not how the term "shoved in our faces" is generally understood unless I'm the outlier here. Once again, when I've seen that before, it's always been in the context of opposing social progress. @We Never Know described it with these words: "Its like politics, every where we go we hear about it, read about it, someone is talking about it, etc. Its constantly being shoved in our face."

Anything is a religion if people worship it.

That's a metaphorical usage of the word religion. Perhaps you've noticed that words evolve beginning with an original definition to which can be added any number of metaphors.

The most literal meaning for the word baby is a human infant. But now we apply it to other species: a baby dog (puppy), one's girlfriend, the youngest sibling at any age (she's the baby of the family), anything small (baby steps), a prized possession (that car is his baby, and he treats it so).

The word religion also has a literal definition and a family of metaphorical related second and third definitions. @IndigoChild5559 provided the literal definition

Wrong one can worship an idea.

That's also a metaphorical usage - of the word worship. That's not literal worship.

I have no idea you call it cultural marxism. Sounds like something a right winger made up, since "communist" is the ad hominem they like to throw around the most.

I suggested an answer in post 307 above. It's a persuasive technique, in this case, to demean liberalism and progressivism. I don't any liberals that are Marxists, but we are all called that to take advantage of an ancient boogieman. I guess anarchist and Bolshevik got too dated. And look how effective it's been. Look at how many imbibed the meme, hate liberals for it, and spread the meme in venues like this one.

 

[Magic Man]

I'd say that for some people it means what it meant 30 years ago, but for many people these days it's taken on new, not good, connotations. And no, it's not just people on the far-right who think so, lots of classic liberals also think so.

Yes, there has been a coordinated campaign to twist the word "woke" and turn it into the next iteration of "political correctness". One thing conservatives have always been good at are these negative campaigns where they successfully twist something into something else and get people to think of it negatively.

But that also means, since they've used it as a boogeyman for all sort of stuff they don't like that might vaguely sort of be associated together, the term then becomes somewhat meaningless.

 

[Magic Man]

Sorry, then. I have never encountered somebody objecting to trans issues that wasn't objecting to their existence or repulsed by it. Perhaps you are actually interested in their well-being.

He is not. He promotes all of the usual anti-trans talking points and propaganda. Like the "WPATH files" that was a slanted, inaccurate hit piece similar to stuff from James O'Keefe and Project Veritas. He misgenders people repeatedly and intentionally. He uses terms like "gender ideology". He claims "trans activists" are misogynistic and bigoted. It's all the typical transphobic stuff that pretends to care about trans people and women while promoting harmful and false claims about them.

 

[Altfish]

Could you define 'woke' for me? As I've yet to find anyone who bands this term around as a criticism knows what it is.

I'm still waiting .... not holding my breath though.

 

[icehorse]

He is not. He promotes all of the usual anti-trans talking points and propaganda. Like the "WPATH files" that was a slanted, inaccurate hit piece similar to stuff from James O'Keefe and Project Veritas. He misgenders people repeatedly and intentionally. He uses terms like "gender ideology". He claims "trans activists" are misogynistic and bigoted. It's all the typical transphobic stuff that pretends to care about trans people and women while promoting harmful and false claims about them.

This thread isn't really about this topic, but for the record:

Until you can learn to distinguish trans people from trans activists I'll be ignoring you, have a fine day.

 

[Magic Man]

This thread isn't really about this topic, but for the record:

Until you can learn to distinguish trans people from trans activists I'll be ignoring you, have a fine day.

They're the same. You try to make a distinction, so you can pretend you only oppose the "bad trans people", but that's just a pretense of yours. To you "trans activists" are anyone who advocates for trans rights.

So, I'm not surprised to see you claim you'll ignore someone who points out the problem with your claims. That's easier than addressing valid criticism.

 

[LeftyLen]

Where on earth are you getting this nonsense from?

Wokeism is a neo- Marxist movement that started off with well-intentioned people. It has morphed into a religious cult that seeks to silence all of those that disagree as they know open dialectic debate will demolish their radical positions. . This is done using social media humiliation, violence through Antifa and BLM riots etc.

Wokeism demands equity not equality. It seeks to destroy all norms, to redefine words and gender.. and its out to destroy science in order to create a Marxist Utopia.(thus its a religion. )

Wokeism is a full attack on Western culture. . It rewrites history in order to confuse and inspire the destruction of the West. This virus is infecting every part of society from children's schools to the Government. It is everywhere and is now threatening to end freedom of speech AND thought. It has become impossible to speak out without fear of career-death and possible physical harm.
It's time to break people out of this Orwellian collectivist thought prison and stop the woke cancer...

 

[LeftyLen]

I think it has some commonalities with religion, at the extreme end, e.g. ‘theory’ includes the idea that it isn’t subject to any one definition, as that would be an example of white male oppression, and some dubious beliefs, e.g. that scientific inquiry is a ‘white’ thing. It’s more of an ideology, though, as there are no supernatural elements as such.

the supernatural elements are seen in its utopian goals

 

[LeftyLen]

That's because ît's become another "boogeyman" term. And everyone has their own ideas about who and what the "boogeyman" is.

The term originally just referred to any form of cognitive awakening. Usually a good thing. And for about ten seconds that was how it was being used among progressives. But the upside-down world of angry radicalized conservatives couldn't allow anything progressive to be good. So they had to turn it into a negative by using it as a form of slander and insult. And they are very persistent at it.

As a matter of clarity, We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

 

[LeftyLen]

It is more of a world view than a religion. It has no God, no prayers, no worship, no sacred text, and no religious rituals.

I have no idea you call it cultural marxism. Sounds like something a right winger made up, since "communist" is the ad hominem they like to throw around the most.

As a matter of clarity, its utopian goals are transcendent, thus its a religion.We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

 

[LeftyLen]

I'm woke, and I'm not religious.

Could you define 'woke' for me? As I've yet to find anyone who bands this term around as a criticism knows what it is.

We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

 

[LeftyLen]

I think you're wrong when you say "every organization", and the word "cis" is very political and ideological, not at all neutral.

is not cis another term for normal?

 

[LeftyLen]

woke exists, it just doesn't mean what you want it to.

and I haven't asked you for any references here. Elsewhere I have asked you to identify just what in WPATH's Standard of Care is so wrong/bad/awful and am still waiting on that.

We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

 

[LeftyLen]

I don’t care about that.

The meaning of the term “woke” hasen’t changed. The word is just being deliberately corrupted and abused by people with a slanderous agenda. And I don’t see any reason to allow the study of linguistics to excuse it. There is nothing new or unique about the concept of someone experiencing a cognitive, intellectual, spiritual, or experiential awakening. People do so all the time, and always have. But at this moment in history, there happens to be a sub-group within our culture that wants to promote our collective ignorance by slandering any sort of personal awakening, because our ignorance is required to serve their agenda.

And we need to stop buying into their BS and making excuses for them. Being “woke” (awakened) is a good thing. Period. And it always has been. We should be encouraging it. Not perverting the term by misapplying it to bad behavior just so we can slander the true value of it.

We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

 

[LeftyLen]

Where on earth are you getting this nonsense from?

Clarity,
We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

 

[LeftyLen]

Ah, of course, that makes perfect sense. Because God is the only thing to believe in. My parents are very religious (Catholic). The only real difference between our worldviews is our belief in God and Jesus and the other stuff that comes with that. Outside of that, we pretty much agree on everything. We agree on politics and life and how to raise kids and many, many other things.

An atheist is just a theist minus the God belief. That means nothing for anything else.

Obviously there's nothing insane or hyperbolic here. Nothing at all wrong with comparing "woke" people to communists during the Soviet years or Maoist revolution. This is all perfectly reasonable.

As there are thousands of survives of Maos cultural revolution who have noted the rhetoric of the woke is almost identical to the Marxists of China 1966.

 

[Magic Man]

As there are thousands of survives of Maos cultural revolution who have noted the rhetoric of the woke is almost identical to the Marxists of China 1966.

Really? Can you point me to these thousands of people saying this?

I mean, it wouldn't change anything, because it's still a ridiculous claim that's only based on extreme bias and propaganda. It's just that it's incredibly doubtful these thousands of people have done this in the first place.

 

[Argentbear]

We have seen this clearly, in recent history, in Soviet Marxism , and the Maoist Cultural Revolution, all promising a heaven on earth for "true believers " and, in each case, delivering a hell on earth for tens of millions of human beings who, failing to comply with the propaganda of these religion-substitutes, were the victims of their inhuman savagery... "canceled" by bullits. Today we have formed from the old Fabian socialism and the Frankfort school of Marxism a new emerging morbid dark religion called WOKE. This WOKISM is loathed and feared by all liberal right and center and is spreading fast - fed by the vacuum of secularism in America. The WOKE do not debate or engage in any dialogue with any one they disagree with. It is totalitarian by nature and conservatives fail to apprehend the danger of this new religion, whose members cancel by social media today yet tomorrow will cancel at the end of a barral of a gun. ( There are many who lived through Mao' s cultural revolution who are warning us of the similarity) they are secular fundamentalists.

In heaven we are all equal and we live in wonderful circumstances. Yet utopean Marxism promised people a wonderful life here on earth Now with the rise of cultural marxism here , "Wokism" with its intersectionality we have the same victimhood dogma. We have those who are literally worshipping at an alter to the religion of WOKE .

Cut and paste responses *Yawn*