ISIL, Taliban = True Islam??

[muhammad_isa]

You consider all that reasonable and acceptable.

No, I don't. I judge by what G-d has revealed.
What people do is none of my business.
I would advise them, but if they are not breaking the law..

 

[Link]

Yes, we know. Anyone who doesn't agree with you is under dark magic. Even Muhammad.

Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the cure to dark magic, they are the light and place of refuge.

 

[stevecanuck]

Yes it relates to 1% and if God wanted to include children, he would've mentioned "children", not the condition. Other verses show age of marriage so this how to interpret Quran, let it interpret itself.

I've seen people lie to themselves to hold to a certain position, but this is the clear winner.

 

[stevecanuck]

What is the word used there to address these little girls who have not started menstruating? Could you please advise? Is it Fathaaya, Thifel, Nisaa, Jaariah, Ukhth, which one?

None of the above. But, you already knew that. They are not defined by a name, but by the fact that they do not yet menstruate (or, as the word-for-word translation in corpus.quran.com puts it, "The ones who not [they] menstruated".

 

[sun rise]

The Quran and sunnah permit slavery and don't even suggest that it is wrong and should be abolished.

So saying "Free the slave" is not good enough for you in a world where slavery was the accepted norm. I suppose you are equally vehement about attacking other religions for the same reason and attacking the founders for institutionalizing slavery in the Constitution over 1000 years later.

 

[stevecanuck]

Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the cure to dark magic, they are the light and place of refuge.

You're straying from debating and leaning towards preaching again.

 

[stevecanuck]

No, not imo.



It's called communication. It is reminding us how important faith is when it comes to marriage.
It doesn't mean that slavery is a good thing.
Naturally, most people would look down on slaves. G-d is reminding us that a person's status is not as important as their faith.

It means that slavery is normal. It assumes that slavery will continue, because Allah did not abolish it.

 

[stevecanuck]

But even if such a being did exist, there is nothing about the Quran that suggests it might have been authored by one.

That surprised me until I reread it and understood what you said. Yes, there is nothing about the Qur'an, but there is plenty in the Qur'an to suggest it was authored by Allah his own self.

 

[muhammad_isa]

It means that slavery is normal. It assumes that slavery will continue, because Allah did not abolish it.

It means to you what you think it means.
There is no point in me, a believer, arguing with you, a disbeliever.
I judge by what G-d reveals to mankind, and you have an agenda of showing how G-d is wrong and foolish.

I do not have to answer for God, the Most High.
He is the Most Wise .. Aware.
You have your deeds, and I have mine.

 

[firedragon]

None of the above. But, you already knew that.

Oh. They are called one of the above. Just you have not read it.

 

[firedragon]

What a strange and false dichotomy.

As @sun rise if that is a "false dichotomy".

 

[firedragon]

Why is a woman's awrah the whole body apart from the hands and face

The verse does not say that.

 

[firedragon]

So you admit that there are no passages in the Quran or sunnah that imply that slavery is wrong and should be abolished,

As I said, it goes beyond that.

Also, one cannot be a Rabb. All over the Qur'an.

 

[firedragon]

None. A pronoun is used. Haven't you read it?

Oh. So they are not addressed with anything? Read the verses again.

Lol. "None" was your answer.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Mohammad (s) and his family (a) are the cure to dark magic, they are the light and place of refuge.

You talk as if dark magic exists. Sure, Mohammad believed in it, but that was in 7th Century.

 

[firedragon]

Sure, Mohammad believed in it,

Please prove that "muhahammed believed in dark magic", and authentically prove why you believe that.

 

[stevecanuck]

Oh. They are called one of the above. Just you have not read it.

Nope. Yet another fail. Not in 65:4 (which is the verse in question). Perhaps it's you who has never read the Qur'an.

 

[firedragon]

Nope. Yet another fail. Not in 65:4 (which is the verse in question). Perhaps it's you who has never read the Qur'an.

You dont know? Just say it.

 

[sun rise]

Nope. Yet another fail. Not in 65:4 (which is the verse in question). Perhaps it's you who has never read the Qur'an.

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Khalifa
As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. As for those who do not menstruate, and discover that they are pregnant, their interim ends upon giving birth. Anyone who reverences GOD, He makes everything easy for him.
Yusuf Ali
Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear God, He will make their path easy.
Pickthal
And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
Shakir
And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Sher Ali
And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears Allah, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.
"Progressive Muslims"
As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. As for those who do not menstruate, and discover that they are pregnant, their interim ends upon giving birth. Anyone who reverences God, He makes everything easy for him.

 

[firedragon]

???
Khalifa
As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. As for those who do not menstruate, and discover that they are pregnant, their interim ends upon giving birth. Anyone who reverences GOD, He makes everything easy for him.
Yusuf Ali
Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear God, He will make their path easy.
Pickthal
And for such of your women as despair of menstruation, if ye doubt, their period (of waiting) shall be three months, along with those who have it not. And for those with child, their period shall be till they bring forth their burden. And whosoever keepeth his duty to Allah, He maketh his course easy for him.
Shakir
And (as for) those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, if you have a doubt, their prescribed time shall be three months, and of those too who have not had their courses; and (as for) the pregnant women, their prescribed time is that they lay down their burden; and whoever is careful of (his duty to) Allah He will make easy for him his affair.
Sher Ali
And if you are in doubt as to the prescribed period for such of your women as have despaired of monthly courses, then know that the prescribed period for them is three months, and also for such as do not have their monthly courses yet. And as for those who are with child, their period shall be until they are delivered of their burden. And whoso fears Allah, HE will provide facilities for him in his affair.
"Progressive Muslims"
As for the women who have reached menopause, if you have any doubts, their interim shall be three months. As for those who do not menstruate, and discover that they are pregnant, their interim ends upon giving birth. Anyone who reverences God, He makes everything easy for him.

There are two atheists who claim they can make exegesis of the Qur'an with out even a Childs knowledge in the arabic language. Im sorry to say but that is not exegesis, but learning off some website.

Leaving that aside, this verse is calling them women. In the arabic language, there different phrases and words that refer to different ages. This is a very well known thing. But some exegetes have a habit of taking one verse at a time with out context. It is also common.

But all of these ladies are after marriage and are referred in the Quran as annisaa. Young girls are not referred to as annisaa. This is flat and bottomline. But the problem is you cannot explain this to some one who intends to demonise the Quran. Just look at these so called atheists who are citing arabic words as if they are experts and making exegesis with absolutely no knowledge. Its truly pathetic. I know where they are getting their knowledge from being in this for too many years. You will see that none can answer simple questions.

What ever the intention of these people is, its fallacious.

This verse is speaking about married women, who are Shadad, or fully grown, Balaghul Nikaaha or of marital age, defined by maturity, ability manage their inheritances, so old enough to do all of that, and they are called women which is not a word referred to young girls.

A little bit of humility would do. But when underlying intentions of spreading hatred take over, none of this matter.