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ISIS is repeating what Mohammed did a 1400 years back.

Sees

Dragonslayer
Killing women or children is not allowed in Islaam. It is actually in the laws of war for muslims. I asked for a source and you provided the source. Not going in denial, i completely disagree with ISIS on this. But is this any way different than what the US has been doing? Dropping bombs on hospitals and civillians? What happened to the rights muslim women and children have? Do they not count? Why is ISIS portrayed as pure evil if ,the West easily is the only true genocidemachine?

Selling a bunch of women and children into slavery is hardly better than a few dying here and there.

I do wish the West would stay out of the entire area but it isn't going to happen. For every person saying to leave them alone there is another person crying for interference. Case in point when ISIS was going after the Yazidis. After the initial intervention it is pretty much locked in - it is your responsibility in the eyes of the world.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
How come a small number of Jews always manage to outsmart millions of Muslims? Why do they scare you so much?

You live in a fantasy world where everything would be perfect without these pesky Jews messing everything up. Muslims have been killing each other continuously since the days of the Rashidun. Was it always about the Jews?

The real question is why the Zionists outsmarted all white people? Jews pretty much run the show in America and Europe.
I am always amazed by the US. The entire country suffers from drugabuse, alcoholabuse,poverty, rapecrimes,gunviolence, racism, discrimination, mass shootings and yet they feel morally superior and qualified to invade sovereign nations.
 

morphesium

Active Member
Morph,

Your view of Muhammad needs revision... The Qur'an sets limits on treatment of prisoners and only advocates defensive war. Slaughtering and torturing Yazidis is un Islamic. Up until the Isis crowd the Yazidis were persecuted in the past but nothing like they've been abused by Isis. Think about it.
% Contribution of Muslims to world population = 23%
% Contribution of (world) terrorism by Muslims = 95%

In other words, 77% of non-Muslims contribute to 5% of world terrorism (this includes terrorism due to politics).
So on an average, Islamic preaching makes a person 65 times more prone to be violent than an average non Muslim.

Why is it the followers of a particular religion is much more violent?

It is the followers of Islam that needs a review.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
% Contribution of Muslims to world population = 23%
% Contribution of (world) terrorism by Muslims = 95%

In other words, 77% of non-Muslims contribute to 5% of world terrorism (this includes terrorism due to politics).
So on an average, Islamic preaching makes a person 65 times more prone to be violent than an average non Muslim.

Why is it the followers of a particular religion is much more violent?

It is the followers of Islam that needs a review.

Where did you get those figures from?
 
% Contribution of Muslims to world population = 23%
% Contribution of (world) terrorism by Muslims = 95%

In other words, 77% of non-Muslims contribute to 5% of world terrorism (this includes terrorism due to politics).
So on an average, Islamic preaching makes a person 65 times more prone to be violent than an average non Muslim.

Why is it the followers of a particular religion is much more violent?

It is the followers of Islam that needs a review.

Sorry but this is why the phrases 'lies, damned lies and statistics' was invented.

If you took the terrorism statistics in 1960, or 1935 or 1890 they would all be different. Shouldn't Muslims have been terrorists then also if it was truly about the religion rather than a range of social factors?

Also by focussing on one type of violence only (terrorism) and not violence in general, including state warfare, you get very misleading figures. Look at the numbers killed in Europe over the past 100 years compared to the numbers killed in the Muslim world, who's more violent now?

saying "So on an average, Islamic preaching makes a person 65 times more prone to be violent than an average non Muslim." is terrible logic.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
To scratch the surface...

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Peace be on you.

Pictures shows people of ISIS are praying in different directions, perhaps they do not know they have to face Mecca.

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No religion in original form teaches to exterminate others.

== ISIS and like ones abuse name of other religions too:
One example: http://aattp.org/here-are-8-christian-terrorist-organizations-that-equal-isis/

== Holy Quran acknowledge others too:
[ch49:v14] O mankind, We have created you from a male and a female; and We have made you into tribes and sub-tribes that you may recognize one another. Verily, the most honourable among you, in the sight of Allah, is he who is the most righteous among you. Surely, Allah is All-knowing, All-Aware.

[ch3:v65] Say, ‘O People of the Book! come to a word equal between us and you — that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partner with Him, and that some of us take not others for Lords beside Allah.’ But if they turn away, then say, ‘Bear witness that we have submitted to God.’

[ch3:v114] They are not all alike. Among the People of the Book there is a party who stand by their covenant; they recite the word of Allah in the hours of night and prostrate themselves before Him.

== The verses you gave please have learning about these at
https://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/guide.htm?region=E1

== http://reviewofreligions.org/10886/...o-debate-the-role-of-god-in-the-21st-century/
 
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mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
I like to think of it this way: Christianity started roughly 2,000 years ago. Islam started in 610. Islam is in the dark ages. Now, there have been some notable attempts to reform Islam, such as the formation of the Baha'i Faith.

Islam is a fundamental religion. Well, technically every religion is fundamental but due to the politics of that area there are more of those who identify as ultra-conservative. Christianity has changed throughout the years. New denominations arise from new ideas and new interpretations of their holy books. God isn't dead, he simply changed with the times.

There needs to be a period of grow in Islam, and by growth, I mean secularization (?) of it. Islam needs to grow the same way Christianity has already grown. Modernize, as you will. There is a possibility of Isis becoming more democratic with their approach, but that probably isn't going to happen anytime soon.

George Carlin has a skit where he sites "Jewish fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists, Muslim fundamentalists, and just plain guys from Montana" for causing a lot of the troubles that arise in the world.

To me, the problem isn't religion. The problem is a very subjective moral code that differs from each person. Until we can adopt a universal ethical code that many have tried to do and failed, and have that code be accepted by every person on the planet, there will always be evil. And there will be evil for a long, long time...
Our problem with Islamic teachings
And that any Muslim can not fix this teachings
The reason is the Islamic religion
Which is based on the theory of direct descent
From God to Muhammad
This education makes each failed attempt to repair
And also teaching the word of God
It makes any attempt to fix a failed also to Islam
The Muslim believes that the word of God is good and good in every time
So there is a big problem
The teachings of terrorist
Are the words of God
Are you able to change any of these Muslim terrorist teachings
The world must every man is free in this world to announce that Islam is a terrorist system
 

Useless2015

Active Member
I love how you guys can spot the moral difference between bombing a bunch of sick babies and killing 3 Christians..It really shows how messed up the West is. Obviously most of the Western non-muslims have a defect in their brain which makes them view bombings completely okay, and beheadings as terrible and evil. Just look at these thread, prime example.
The Quran is full of violence, totally agree. Without violence there is no freedom.
 

Sees

Dragonslayer
I love how you guys can spot the moral difference between bombing a bunch of sick babies and killing 3 Christians..It really shows how messed up the West is. Obviously most of the Western non-muslims have a defect in their brain which makes them view bombings completely okay, and beheadings as terrible and evil. Just look at these thread, prime example.
The Quran is full of violence, totally agree. Without violence there is no freedom.

You should look up "human shield" and think how you may be encouraging such pathetic, cowardly, un-Western behavior.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
You should look up "human shield" and think how you may be encouraging such pathetic, cowardly, un-Western behavior.

No thanks. I like to stick to facts rather than bullsh!t.
Somehow despite all the killing of my brothers and sisters, i feel Islam keeps me sane and does not make me hate others or view others as subhumans.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
No thanks. I like to stick to facts rather than bullsh!t.
Somehow despite all the killing of my brothers and sisters, i feel Islam keeps me sane and does not make me hate others or view others as subhumans.

Useless2015 - This is great to hear!

I'd be interested in knowing specific values or lessons that Islam taught you that keep you sane.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
Useless2015 - This is great to hear!

I'd be interested in knowing specific values or lessons that Islam taught you that keep you sane.

That all humans come from Adam pbuh. And that we are all equal.


O you who believe! Be steadfast for Allah (as) witnesses in justice, and let not prevent you hatred (of) a people [upon] that not you do justice. Be just it (is) nearer to [the] piety. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah (is) All-Aware of what you do.
 

Mackerni

Libertarian Unitarian
Our problem with Islamic teachings
And that any Muslim can not fix this teachings
The reason is the Islamic religion
Which is based on the theory of direct descent
From God to Muhammad
This education makes each failed attempt to repair
And also teaching the word of God
It makes any attempt to fix a failed also to Islam
The Muslim believes that the word of God is good and good in every time
So there is a big problem
The teachings of terrorist
Are the words of God
Are you able to change any of these Muslim terrorist teachings
The world must every man is free in this world to announce that Islam is a terrorist system

I want to completely agree with you, but I have not read the Quran. It's hard to judge something when all the information you receive about the material is not the source material itself. I will say that Islam is probably a terrorist organization, but that doesn't justify the people who are Muslims and clearly not terrorists.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
That all humans come from Adam pbuh. And that we are all equal.


O you who believe! Be steadfast for Allah (as) witnesses in justice, and let not prevent you hatred (of) a people [upon] that not you do justice. Be just it (is) nearer to [the] piety. And fear Allah; indeed, Allah (is) All-Aware of what you do.

Really? So being afraid is what keeps you sane? Yikes!
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I want to completely agree with you, but I have not read the Quran. It's hard to judge something when all the information you receive about the material is not the source material itself. I will say that Islam is probably a terrorist organization, but that doesn't justify the people who are Muslims and clearly not terrorists.

The Quran is extremely repetitive. Extremely. Did I mention how repetitive the Quran is? It's really, really, really repetitive. It repeats itself frequently.

That's good news, because you can get an electronic copy, flip through it randomly and read maybe every 30th page, and get a really accurate picture of what it has to say. (Which isn't very much.)
 

Mackerni

Libertarian Unitarian
The Quran is extremely repetitive. Extremely. Did I mention how repetitive the Quran is? It's really, really, really repetitive. It repeats itself frequently.

That's good news, because you can get an electronic copy, flip through it randomly and read maybe every 30th page, and get a really accurate picture of what it has to say. (Which isn't very much.)

I skimmed the first two chapters. All I got from it was, "Believe us. Believe the Quran. Believe the Bible." "Here's a story told to us by the Jews. We're going to shorten it down so we can include our own stories." (because everybody knew the Bible back then.)

It's completely brainwashing. I never knew a book could so utterly brainwash someone. If I took the Quran seriously, I would probably be a Muslim.

... and a yellow cow? Were these guys high on opiates? Seriously.
 

Useless2015

Active Member
I skimmed the first two chapters. All I got from it was, "Believe us. Believe the Quran. Believe the Bible." "Here's a story told to us by the Jews. We're going to shorten it down so we can include our own stories." (because everybody knew the Bible back then.)

It's completely brainwashing. I never knew a book could so utterly brainwash someone. If I took the Quran seriously, I would probably be a Muslim.

... and a yellow cow? Were these guys high on opiates? Seriously.

As the Quran says, i am sure you come across this chapter 'Unbelievers'.

the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
Say: Oh you who turn away
I do not worship what you worship,
nor do you worship what I worship.
And I will not worship what you worship,
Nor will you worship what I worship.
Your way is yours, and my way is mine.


So good luck on your religion and i will stick to mine. You can insult and make jokes but really it only shows you're own moral values.
 
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