Isis: Threat to the Civilized World

[Frank Bunneh]

But I think most people make such a claim, regardless of race, creed or colour.

I would trust facts over what someone thinks or thinks someone thinks

 

[Sonofason]

Listen, I am neither Arab, nor Muslim. But perhaps the Muslims have a point when they claim that it's their territory; as they are indeed the dominant religion in the Middle East?

Do whites not have a rightful claim to N. America by virtue of numerical superiority?

Whites do not claim exclusive right to the Americas, but they certainly claim to be the dominant ethno-religious group in N. America.

By the same token, the Muslims in Iraq and Syria claim to be the dominant ethno-religious population, although they do not claim exclusive rights to this territory.

No, whites do not have a claim to North America. Those who live in north America, especially those who are citizens of North America, all have a claim to North America. Numerical superiority is indeed powerful, but might does not make right. Whites are indeed the dominant ethno-religious group in North America, but that doesn't give any white person justification for making such a statement as Godobeyer recently made about dominantly Islamic countries. North America is not Christian land, or white land, and Iraq is certainly not Muslim land.

Thus, I think we agree, and you should be making this comment to Godobeyer, not me.

 

[Sonofason]

The fact is, all land belongs to the people who possess it, whether that be just or unjust.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

The fact is, all land belongs to the people who possess it, whether that be just or unjust.

Still, it is much, much better to be majority stakeholder in Exxon Mobil, Ford, GM, Chrysler, and Microsoft etc. than other shareholders who wouldn't control the stock or agenda of the major corporations.

 

[Sonofason]

Still, it is much, much better to be majority stakeholder in Exxon Mobil, Ford, GM, Chrysler, and Microsoft etc. than other shareholders who wouldn't control the stock or agenda of the major corporations.

Of course, that is a danger to all democratic societies. But consider the alternatives.

 

[Godobeyer]

I certainly realize people are fighting the scum that are beheading people, but I don't see how Iraq and Syria is Muslim land. Christians, Yazidis, Jews, Mandaeans, Zoroastrians, dwell in those lands, and no one religion has the right to authority over any land. Those lands belong to people, not religion, especially not the Muslim religion.

I am talking about Majority

the duty of the Muslims is saving all minorities from the ISIS , so that what happened .

Iraqi and Syrain armies are mostly Muslims ,and Kurds are Muslims


Check this similare thread i posted some links about how Syrian armies fighting ISIS :

Muslims the next Victums of Nazi Wrath | Page 3 | ReligiousForums.com

 

[Sonofason]

I am talking about Majority

the duty of the Muslims is saving all minorities from the ISIS , so that what happened .

Iraqi and Syrain armies are mostly Muslims ,and Kurds are Muslims


Check this similare thread i posted some links about how Syrian armies fighting ISIS .

I'm not sure you noticed this, but I agree with you that there are some Muslims fighting against the brutal and repugnant regime of ISIS. However, they should also be rejecting the perverse document that was slanderously forged in the name of God by the very dead pedophile prophet Mohammad.

 

[Sonofason]

Islam itself is a threat to the civilized world, not just those who actually follow the Quran, like ISIS.
and ill will to all non-believers:
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180
Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3
"Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers."
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks
and fingers. 8:12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell.
8:15-16
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who
did the killing. 8:17
"The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense (non-muslims)." 8:22
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the
punishment of burning!" 8:50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the
enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are
without intelligence. 8:65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67

 

[Godobeyer]

Islam itself is a threat to the civilized world, not just those who actually follow the Quran, like ISIS.
and ill will to all non-believers:
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180
Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3
"Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers."
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks
and fingers. 8:12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell.
8:15-16
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who
did the killing. 8:17
"The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense (non-muslims)." 8:22
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the
punishment of burning!" 8:50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the
enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are
without intelligence. 8:65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67

Quoting from Quran verses post them , is cut from origine meaning .
that Anti-Islam websites done .






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[Sonofason]

Quoting from Quran verses post them , is cut from origine meaning .
that Anti-Islam websites done.

Then perhaps it would be good of you to explain the context in which one should ever call a Jew a pig or even an ape. We'll set aside for the moment the fact that evolutionary scientists make very strong arguments that all Muslims, in fact, all people are apes as well, which I'm quite sure is knowledge that that so-called-prophet did not possess when he wrote what he wrote.

 

[Godobeyer]

Then perhaps it would be good of you to explain the context in which one should ever call a Jew a pig or even an ape. We'll set aside for the moment the fact that evolutionary scientists make very strong arguments that all Muslims, in fact, all people are apes as well, which I'm quite sure is knowledge that that so-called-prophet did not possess when he wrote what he wrote.

that's your ignorence misquote and using anti-Islam sites as reference/source to learn Islam, you need to proof that God in Quran called the Jews pig or ape .

 

[Godobeyer]

as I know God in Quran said that He punished some Jews by convert them to apes .

so it's forbiden in Islam to call Jews apes or pigs . some scholars use this bad names as swearing ,that's wrong and forbiden; that's it .

 

[Lyndon]

ISIS are no more sunni Muslim, than David Koresh followers are Christian. They are Apostates to sunni Muslims and break the Muslim rules continually. What part of Allah is merciful and forgiving do they not understand?? The holy Koran clearly states that killing other Muslims is forbidden, the paradise they are headed to may have the temperature of the surface of the planet mercury.

 

[Sonofason]

that's your ignorence misquote and using anti-Islam sites as reference/source to learn Islam, you need to proof that God in Quran called the Jews pig or ape .

I already did.

 

[Sonofason]

as I know God in Quran said that He punished some Jews by convert them to apes .

so it's forbiden in Islam to call Jews apes or pigs . some scholars use this bad names as swearing ,that's wrong and forbiden; that's it .

We'll have to agree to disagree. And well, that's it.

 

[Underhill]

Actually, I had asked for you to show me how you determine whether or not something is evil, but all you have done is apply the term evil to someone who might deliberately cause conflict. I'm simply asking how you know that one who enjoys causing conflict should be considered evil. What exists that you can point to which enables you to make such determinations, and what value can we place on these determinations if indeed they are, as I suspect, purely speculative and subjective opinions. Why should your opinion be valued by anyone with regard to understanding evil, which you have claimed is a most basic and fundamental concept of human beings. Where is your evidence? On what basis do you support such a personal and subjective opinion.

You could go to the dictionary if you are that hard pressed to understand something so basic. Or you could just quit riding my *** with nonsensical garbage.

 

[Sonofason]

You could go to the dictionary if you are that hard pressed to understand something so basic. Or you could just quit riding my *** with nonsensical garbage.

Okay I will stop trying to get an answer. I will stop squeezing your sensibilities on the matter.
Morality comes from God, and only God. You have no sense of goodness that you cannot attribute to the moral will of God.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

Recently, I have been observing Isis. I have seen them mercilessly kill the old, the young, Shiite Muslims, Christians and others that are different than their Sunni Muslim faith. I have observed their insane, mad rush through Iraq and was left with an agonized word in mind' WHY ?!?
For what reason do they feel the need to crucify, behead and torture the old, the young, Christians, Shiite Muslims and other that are not Sunni Muslims ? Why have they descended to the level of the monstrous Nazis, commitind infamous, murderous genocide on any one that is different then them. My cries finds it's answer in a hard, unspeaking sky as no answer readily comes to me.
What we must do is cruel yet clear: We must kill, burn and blow them away until not a man is left that will take up the name of Isis. We must wage unceasing warfare until every vestige of their murderous rampage is ended.
The question I have is 1) Should Pagans form self defense groups that monitor religious extremism ? 2) What is the attitude of average Christians ? Are they praying for these sinners or do they feel that they should be utterly annihilated and wish them to go to Hades ? COURIOUS MINDS WANNA KNOW !

So you say "Death to all Ablist norms"?

But how do you know you're not Ablist?

For what you see is nothing more than outward appearance, which is tip of an iceberg.

Your consciousness or 'cogito ergo sum' is nothing more than tip of an iceberg.

So how do you know you're not Ablist?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Islam itself is a threat to the civilized world, not just those who actually follow the Quran, like ISIS.
and ill will to all non-believers:
Allah turns Jews into apes! 7:166
Allah will punish the disbelieving Jews until the Day of Resurrection. 7:167
Those who deny Muhammad's revelations are like dogs. 7:176
Those who deny Muhammad's revelation are evil. 7:177
Stay away from those who blaspheme Allah's names. They will be punished for it. 7:180
Allah leads astray those who deny his revelations. 7:182-3
"Allah ... cut the root of the disbelievers."
Allah destroyed the unbelievers. 8:7
Allah will throw fear into the hearts of the disbelievers, and smite their necks
and fingers. 8:12
Disbelievers will be tormented in the Fire. 8:14
When you fight with disbelievers, do not retreat. Those who do will go to hell.
8:15-16
Those that the Muslims killed were not really killed by them. It was Allah who
did the killing. 8:17
"The worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense (non-muslims)." 8:22
Taste of the doom because ye disbelieve. 8:35
Those who disbelieve will be gathered into hell. 8:36
Fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. 8:39
The angels smite the face and backs of disbelievers, saying: "Taste the
punishment of burning!" 8:50
The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers. 8:55
Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the
enemy of Allah. 8:59-60
Exhort the believers to fight. They will win easily, because disbelievers are
without intelligence. 8:65
A prophet may not take captives until he has made a slaughter in the land. 8:67

Pot, meet Kettle:
And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. 2 King 2:23-24

And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.And he said unto them, Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour. Exodus 32:28-29

And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai.And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. Joshua 8:24-26

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. Hosea 13:16

And I found this interesting piece:
Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran? : NPR
"Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy.
Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.
"By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."
It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.
"In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

If it does, then I'm a bad person too because it is laughable and way over the top in the drama.

LOL. Jah-rastafaria, yeah man!

Hey man, you want some hash?