Islam and Women : The Head Scarf

[Meow Mix]

I don't understand why art can be offensive?

There's nothing sexual or arousing about Greek statues. The human form is beautiful and should be appreciated. I guess I don't understand why there's an aversion.

In any case I don't think it's disrespectful to post art; there is a difference between art and pornography.

 

[Madhuri]

I don't understand why art can be offensive?

There's nothing sexual or arousing about Greek statues. The human form is beautiful and should be appreciated. I guess I don't understand why there's an aversion.

In any case I don't think it's disrespectful to post art; there is a difference between art and pornography.

I also find it difficult to relate to this aversion to art. Even the most devoutly religious people I have known would not be offended by those images. But I am not very experienced with Muslim culture.

In the meantime, you will notice that Auto's point was ignored.

 

[beenie]

i got Auto's point, and she's correct.

i also am not offended in the least by those art pieces. sexual feelings didn't even enter the atmosphere when i saw them. but i'm very used to art, so who am i?

 

[Madhuri]

i got Auto's point, and she's correct.

i also am not offended in the least by those art pieces. sexual feelings didn't even enter the atmosphere when i saw them. but i'm very used to art, so who am i?

Is the aversion to images like that directly linked with Quranic teachings or is it more cultural?

 

[beenie]

Is the aversion to images like that directly linked with Quranic teachings or is it more cultural?

well, viewing nudity would probably be discouraged in Qur'anic teachings; here is a verse dealing with it:

Say to the believing men that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts. That is purer for them. And say to the believing women that they restrain their looks and guard their private parts. (24:31,32)

and a Hadith:

Verily modesty and faith are related to each other; when one of them is taken away, the other also is taken away.

BUT i would hope we could make the distinction between a naked live human and clay...

however, there are ahadith forbidding the forming of the human body (as in making sculptures) as well, so in that regard, a naked, clay human form would be frowned upon in Islamic teachings.

Sayyiduna Jabir (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) forbade the keeping of pictures at home and making them." (Sunan Tirmidhi, no: 1749)

Sayyiduna Abu Talha (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: "Angels (of mercy) do not enter a house wherein there is a dog or a picture." (Sahih al-Bukhari, no: 5609)

of course, with all ahadith, there is room for interpretation, and i firmly believe that intention is a huge part of our religion. i'm not in the business of trying to compete with God in creating a human, nor do i intend on worshipping any sculpture, but in those times, both were done on a large scale...hence the rulings were made.

and yes, there is a cultural element to this as well.

 

[MissAlice]

I didn't see anything disgusting or abhorent about the statues....it isn't even sexual. Guess art arouses many different feelings and perspectives amongst people....

 

[Cypress]

Oh God!! Can't a Muslim check this thread without seeing some people getting sexually excited after an avatar or without seeing statues of penises?!! Is having a decent respectful debate that difficult?

That statues are from the art of ancient Greece and Agypt, there is nothing offensive about these pictures nor about posting them.

 

[gnostic]

God supposed created Adam and Eve - naked. We are all born: naked. If God didn't want us to go around naked, then he would have created Adam and Eve with clothes on, and each of us born with fully clothed. And God should have given each infant girl a veil or headscarf at birth.

 

[Madhuri]

God supposed created Adam and Eve - naked. We are all born: naked. If God didn't want us to go around naked, then he would have created Adam and Eve with clothes on, and each of us born with fully clothed. And God should have given each infant girl a veil or headscarf at birth.

He could have at least made us furry.

 

[MissAlice]

He could have at least made us furry.

Furry maybe but hairy no way. :no:

 

[Meow Mix]

Ew!!! Now that was offensive!!!

lol jk. But still, ew.

 

[tatianasfc]

not only does it say in the quran that women should cover their hair, but it also says in the bible that women should cover their hair as well..

 

[Starsoul]

i got Auto's point, and she's correct.

i also am not offended in the least by those art pieces. sexual feelings didn't even enter the atmosphere when i saw them. but i'm very used to art, so who am i?

Why would those, who see, admire, and promote naked images of human beings be offended by liberal display of them? I'm sorry to announce it to you, but that kind of art or posters have NO place in an Islamic society, from any point of view. So just because some people 'accept and 'Enjoy' THAT kind of art does Not in any way make it acceptable for other people who, themselves and their cultural, and religious values do not endorse such vile expressions of wasted art.

Islam does not support nakedness as a glorifying gesture, non-islamic countries liberally exhibit their admiration for such display and if one has become used to that kind of exposure, i don't really know how one protects haya (modesty) of Eeman (faith)inside, if you can see ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, whats the whole point of hijab, dressing up, and demanding men to lower their gaze?

It is just cheap to even to suggest that ' sexual feelings didn't even enter the atmosphere when i saw them', You really need to revise your religious values to distinguish between liberal display of nakedness as to being aroused sexually. Really doubt what kind of self made Islam one is following after that comment.

Athiests and non believers should ATLEAST respect the values of other people in an argument if they consider it too important offering their troll trash , otherwise they should just refrain from attempting to pose a despicable show of ignorance of other's values. If you see naked men everyday fine, don't speak for those who oppose to it and kindly refrain from implying your lack of modesty to those who treasure it.

 

[blackout]

Oh God!! Can't a Muslim check this thread without seeing some people getting sexually excited after an avatar or without seeing statues of penises?!! Is having a decent respectful debate that difficult?

No one is getting sexually excited not4me.

We are making and illustrating points.

Aparantly it IS that difficult.

Nakedness is indecent,
People's varried sexualities are indecent,
Talk of them is disrespectful,
Now even ancient art is indecent and disrespectful.

And as such,
every ACTUAL POINT being made is lost
to .... pious offence.

(the statues were about hair, if I recal...
not penises. But we all focus on ... what we focus on.)

 

[Looncall]

But one must understand that their lifestyle is so privileged with maids and servants and since their men carry all the responsibility of work outside the house, it really is a huge comfort for them to stay indoors dealing the matters of the house. The climate of Saudia is so dry and hot most of the year that its a nightmare being out and about in the sun all day.

The point is that the women have no choice about all this. These statements about protecting women by muslim men sound just like what a farmer might say about a valued farm animal.

 

[Looncall]

But one must understand that their lifestyle is so privileged with maids and servants and since their men carry all the responsibility of work outside the house, it really is a huge comfort for them to stay indoors dealing the matters of the house. The climate of Saudia is so dry and hot most of the year that its a nightmare being out and about in the sun all day.

The important point is that the women have no choice about all this. These statements about caring for muslim women sound like a farmer talking about a valued farm animal.

 

[Starsoul]

No one is getting sexually excited not4me.

We are making and illustrating points.

Aparantly it IS that difficult.

Nakedness is indecent,
People's varried sexualities are indecent,
Talk of them is disrespectful,
Now even ancient art is indecent and disrespectful.

And as such,
every ACTUAL POINT being made is lost
to .... pious offence.

(the statues were about hair, if I recal...
not penises. But we all focus on ... what we focus on.)

Well for Some, ancient religions are nonsensical offense and ancient naked art is glory, copy pasting images of contempt for muslims is a significant offense, whether or not some have the knowledge or decency to acknowledge that aspect of Religion. The Rfer could just argue in one line to validate her point instead of posting images of irrelevance, ancient art pretty much exists in the form of heads to shoulder too, there was no need of posting an entire image, simple as that.

 

[Starsoul]

The important point is that the women have no choice about all this. These statements about caring for muslim women sound like a farmer talking about a valued farm animal.

Elaborate your point. What do you mean by choice? Are you under the impression that muslim women do not study , are not professionals, do not become doctors, engineers, financial analysts, and do not hold key positions in the society? You think that they have no idea/ no choice where they want to shop from or buy groceries from ?or do they not know what is their favorite food, or dress? Man, looks like somebody needs to get out of the farm world to experience the real world, no offense Looncall, you need :help:

 

[Looncall]

Many religions teach their followers to despise their own humanity. That teaching makes people feel guilty and gives clerics power over them. Islam, though, does take this ploy to obscene lengths.

 

[Starsoul]

Many religions teach their followers to despise their own humanity. That teaching makes people feel guilty and gives clerics power over them. Islam, though, does take this ploy to obscene lengths.

I find this comment irrelevant in this thread. Besides that didnt even make sense.