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Islam belief, Noah, the Great Flood and Science. Coherent or contradictory?

Do Islamic beliefs about Noah contradict science?


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TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Just knowing you're there in the background somewhere through all of this, gives me strength and hope. Now where's Old Badger. I need his help too.

It is from our own self we need all the help.

By the way, this is from a pilgrim about the notes they all write;

"...When the Guardian, who had already triply endured himself to us in the short space of one dinner, left us, we felt very bereft but Ruhiyyih Khanum, Leroy and the others tried to fill in the gap and stayed with us and talked over what had been discussed at the table. One of the surprising things to us was that there was considerable difference in opinion as to just what the Guardian had said or meant to imply. It made us acutely aware of why Pilgrim's notes must always remain on the basis of personal understanding and cannot have any official standing....."

Regards Tony
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
Through all of what? o_O
What about me, I thought you liked me? :(
Yeah, where is Old Badger anyway, I miss him.

CG loves this game. :D

Unfortunatly, our vision in life is that it is not a game, the future of humaity is in all we offer each other.

Stay happy Trailblazer, it has just begun and this is a day of great joy.

Regards Tony
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Just knowing you're there in the background somewhere through all of this, gives me strength and hope. Now where's Old Badger. I need his help too.
The Baha’is must be a very hard group indeed! We have been talking for nearly two years. Long time really.

Hope Xmas was a happy time for all. I’ve been in Brisbane with my family and sisters’ family.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Yes, Noah is considered a Manifestation. Did you ever read The Kitáb-i-Íqán? That explains the succession of the Manifestations in the Bible, although it might not be all-inclusive. It does not address the Manifestations of God from the eastern lines.
Who is Húd and Ṣáliḥ? And for Noah it says...
"Among the Prophets was Noah. For nine hundred and fifty years He prayerfully exhorted His people and summoned them to the haven of security and peace. None, however, heeded His call."​
Since Baha'is don't believe Noah actually lived for 950 years, how is this supposed to be interpreted?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Who is Húd and Ṣáliḥ?
Darned if I know... I warned you I did not know anything about the Bible. :rolleyes:
And for Noah it says...
"Among the Prophets was Noah. For nine hundred and fifty years He prayerfully exhorted His people and summoned them to the haven of security and peace. None, however, heeded His call."​
Since Baha'is don't believe Noah actually lived for 950 years, how is this supposed to be interpreted?
I can only guess Baha'u'llah meant the 950 years of Noah's dispensation, most of which was after Noah had died.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
When you consider the "time" this flood occurred, to them; it was a world flood.

Time has nothing to do with it. Your hedging. A world flood is a world flood. You gave phony evidence that the flood covered Mount Everest indicating that you believe it actually was a world flood.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Time has nothing to do with it. Your hedging. A world flood is a world flood.

Only in the eyes of the beholder

You gave phony evidence that the flood covered Mount Everest indicating that you believe it actually was a world flood.

Actually the shells found on top of mount Everest just indicate that the world has had a few great geological changes irrespective of a flood.

Secondly evidence has proven that there have been several great floods over the centuries.

Third, the only reason you want to debunk scientific facts is because you gave this great desire to debunk the "bible".
And again, you have your views & I have mine.

I hope you and yours had a great x-mas.
 

shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Only in the eyes of the beholder



Actually the shells found on top of mount Everest just indicate that the world has had a few great geological changes irrespective of a flood.

Secondly evidence has proven that there have been several great floods over the centuries.

Third, the only reason you want to debunk scientific facts is because you gave this great desire to debunk the "bible".
And again, you have your views & I have mine.

I hope you and yours had a great x-mas.

As a factual history the Bible debunks itself if one wants to interpret it literally.
 

james dixon

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
As a factual history the Bible debunks itself if one wants to interpret it literally.

I believe the bible was written in Hebrew. My Bible is in English which means the bible I have is an interpretation. Still, having said that the "bible" offers a lot; especially in human behavior and guide lines on how we should live our lives. This alone, setting aside the "flood", makes it a worthwhile reading for anyone.

:)-
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
I believe the bible was written in Hebrew. My Bible is in English which means the bible I have is an interpretation. Still, having said that the "bible" offers a lot; especially in human behavior and guide lines on how we should live our lives. This alone, setting aside the "flood", makes it a worthwhile reading for anyone.

:)-

It is mainly a translation. Though that can be distorted by preconceived ideas.

The Web now shows many translations side by side.

An interpretation is making a Trinity from Scripture, or baptisim of a baby from scripture.

Regards Tony
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Darned if I know... I warned you I did not know anything about the Bible. :rolleyes:

I can only guess Baha'u'llah meant the 950 years of Noah's dispensation, most of which was after Noah had died.
I found Hud and Salih. They are from the Quran, not the Bible. Also, Shunyadragon says that it is not the "dispensation" And, there's been a Baha'i quote that verified that somewhere in earlier posts on this thread.
 

CG Didymus

Veteran Member
Two Prophets mentioned in the Quran. Read verse 11:50-68
Yes, I found that out. Thanks. Here's the Baha'i quote from the The Kitáb-i-Íqán where they are mentioned.
And after Noah the light of the countenance of Húd shone forth above the horizon of creation. For well-nigh seven hundred years, according to the sayings of men, He exhorted the people to turn their faces and draw nearer unto the Riḍván of the divine presence. What showers of afflictions rained upon Him, until at last His adjurations bore the fruit of increased rebelliousness, and His assiduous endeavours resulted in the wilful blindness of His people. “And their unbelief shall only increase for the unbelievers their own perdition.” 6
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And after Him there appeared from the Riḍván of the Eternal, the Invisible, the holy person of Ṣáliḥ, Who again summoned the people to the river of everlasting life. For over a hundred years He admonished them to hold fast unto the commandments of God and eschew that which is forbidden. His admonitions, however, yielded no fruit, and His pleading proved of no avail. Several times He retired and lived in seclusion. All this, although that eternal Beauty was summoning 10 the people to no other than the city of God. Even as it is revealed: “And unto the tribe of Thámúd We sent their brother Ṣáliḥ. ‘O my people,’ said He, ‘Worship God, ye have none other God beside Him….’ They made reply: ‘O Ṣáliḥ, our hopes were fixed on thee until now; forbiddest thou us to worship that which our fathers worshipped? Truly we misdoubt that whereunto thou callest us as suspicious.’” 7 All this proved fruitless, until at last there went up a great cry, and all fell into utter perdition.​
It goes on to mention Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. Since they believe in other major religions as well, I don't know why the Baha'is don't include Krishna, Buddha and Zoroaster in this list? But anyway, do you have any comments on Hud and Salih?
 
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