Islam debate

[Saint Frankenstein]

Who said they are ?

You're implying it by going on and on about sperm and how they develop into a human being. Typical outdated nonsense. You haven't mentioned the female eggs or the womb once. We receive half of our genetic information from our mothers, of course.

Sperm cells are not anything special and I find it offensive that you're cutting the female completely out of reproduction. But I guess I'm expecting too much since you follow a religion that came into existence during a time of scientific ignorance and extreme sexism.

 

[FearGod]

You're implying it by going on and on about sperm and how they develop into a human being. Typical outdated nonsense. You haven't mentioned the female eggs or the womb once. We receive half of our genetic information from our mothers, of course.

Sperm cells are not anything special and I find it offensive that you're cutting the female completely out of reproduction. But I guess I'm expecting too much since you follow a religion that came into existence during a time of scientific ignorance and extreme sexism.

i mentioned the sperm as it is the one determining the gender as being a male (a man) or a female (a woman).

The female eggs has no role whatsoever in determining the gender as it is homogametic (x chromosome)and not heterogametic (x and y chromosomes).

 

[Yuusif12]

suzy smith: you said it was written in the 'dark ages', well I mentioned Scientific miracles in the Quran in this thread.
How could someone in the dark ages know that?

The Quran has no contradictions in it. No one can write anything like it. And the Prophet Muhammad couldn't even read or write. So how could he have done it?

The prophet (S.A.W.) said, "The
most complete believer in faith is the
best in morals, and the best among
you is the best to their women." [An
authentic hadith, reported by Imam
At-Tirmithi]

 

[arcanum]

My belief is Sunni. The prophet said that this religion will split into 73 sects, all of them in the hellfire except one. So his companions asked him: which is that one? He said what me and my companions are on. And that is what Sunni islam is.
When I said anything not in the Quran is not from the religion I made a mistake. It is Also the sunnah. And the companions of the prophet, and what the Islamic nation has agreed on.(not a quranist)

Those who are not Muslims will go to hell. But I will still respect them and it is not allowed to cheat them. Or kill them except if the ruler allows it (during war..)

YmirGF, I want you to ask any questions about islam and I'll answer.
Thanks

Sorry but those belief's are very destructive and not constructive or compatible with the modern world.

 

[Yuusif12]

Sorry but those belief's are very destructive and not constructive or compatible with the modern world.

How are they destructive?
Have you studied any of Islam from Muslims?

Islam is compatible in all ages

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

How are they destructive?
Have you studied any of Islam from Muslims?

Islam is compatible in all ages

If Islam says that non-believers are going to hell... then Islam is false.

 

[arcanum]

How are they destructive?
Have you studied any of Islam from Muslims?

Islam is compatible in all ages

Yes, I've spent some time looking into Islam and have read the Koran. Having said that, the only form of Islam which I appreciate and have respect for is Sufism, not to say there aren't some very fine Muslim individuals but the religion in it's orthodox form I find it much too rigid, intolerant of other faiths, and in many ways incompatible with the western world.

 

[Yuusif12]

Ok.
Ask any questions about Islam that you find incompatible and I will try to answer.

What is it that you appreciate about Sufism?

 

[Yuusif12]

Ok.
Ask any questions about Islam that you find incompatible and I will try to answer.

What is it that you appreciate about Sufism?

 

[arcanum]

Ok.
Ask any questions about Islam that you find incompatible and I will try to answer.

What is it that you appreciate about Sufism?

I appreciate Sufism for it's inner approach to spirituality, a spirituality of the heart which is not so obsessed with the outer forms of the religion. It has an authenticity and openness to it who's main concern is direct contact with god, not the rigid beliefs and behavioral dictates found in orthodox Islam. Regrading it's incompatibility with modern western society I would point out it's treatment of women, it discourages individual freedom, and it's intolerance of other faiths. Your move.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

i mentioned the sperm as it is the one determining the gender as being a male (a man) or a female (a woman).

The female eggs has no role whatsoever in determining the gender as it is homogametic (x chromosome)and not heterogametic (x and y chromosomes).

You still didn't mention the female side of reproduction at all and said that sperm develop into human beings.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

You still didn't mention the female side of reproduction at all and said that sperm develop into human beings.

Fun fact it's the SRY gene found on the Y chromosome of the sperm that determines gender, however it can also be transferred to a X chromosome. So you can have two X chromosomes and still develop male albeit infertile.

 

[FearGod]

You still didn't mention the female side of reproduction at all and said that sperm develop into human beings.

Yes i should tell it in details,the sperm fertilize the egg and the zygote evolve to human being.

Should i go in more details,are we discussing biology here.

 

[FranklinMichaelV.3]

Yes i should tell it in details,the sperm fertilize the egg and the zygote evolve to human being.

Should i go in more details,are we discussing biology here.

Technically you're using evolution correctly here as the definition of "an unrolling of events" since you can say stars evolve...I hope you weren't trying to use it in the biological sense.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Technically you're using evolution correctly here as the definition of "an unrolling of events" since you can say stars evolve...I hope you weren't trying to use it in the biological sense.

I'm happy that non-native speakers are posting here, but it can be difficult to always understand what they're really trying to say. Language is a subtle instrument.

 

[FearGod]

Technically you're using evolution correctly here as the definition of "an unrolling of events" since you can say stars evolve...I hope you weren't trying to use it in the biological sense.

I was expecting Saint_F to argue about using the word evolve.

You may noticed that i used before the word develop which is the proper one indeed,so yes i don't mean it in the biological sense as well i didn't mean that the process doesn't need the ovum and the womb,we aren't in a biology exam.

 

[YmirGF]

That what you said if you have a weak memory,then here is what you said

There is nothing wrong with my memory, FearGod. There is a weakness in your interpretation of what you think I am meaning however.

You said hearing things which isn't from reality is delusional episodes.

Oddly, I wouldn't expect a small child to argue this one, yet you are undeterred to fixate on schizophrenia.

During an episode of schizophrenia, a person may lose touch with reality, see or hear things that are not there, hold irrational or unfounded beliefs, and appear to act strangely because they are responding to these delusions and hallucinations. An episode of schizophrenia can last for several weeks and can be very frightening.
Reference : Schizophrenia

Just because someone is delusional does not mean they are necessarily schizophrenic. Nice try though.

 

[FearGod]

There is nothing wrong with my memory, FearGod. There is a weakness in your interpretation of what you think I am meaning however.

Oddly, I wouldn't expect a small child to argue this one, yet you are undeterred to fixate on schizophrenia.



Just because someone is delusional does not mean they are necessarily schizophrenic. Nice try though.

Again that is what you had said

" again, this should be a major warning sign that a person is having a delusional episode. Now the voice is singling you out. How would it know your name? Easy. Because it's all inside you head. In theory, even a delusional will know their name... for the most part, at least.

So you still insist to say that you weren't talking about a psychiatric disease.

 

[YmirGF]

Again that is what you had said



So you still insist to say that you weren't talking about a psychiatric disease.

Keep digging, baby. I'm loving it.

I used the word delusional for a specific reason, and that reason was because I did not want to pinpoint down to any given cataloged psychological condition. (Being) Delusional is a pretty broad term and one that is a feature in MANY forms of mental illness.

I must hand it to you though, it was superb job of deflection on your part. So many Muslim's have mastered this linguistic device.

 

[Awkward Fingers]

Delusional does not mean schizophrenic.