YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Which is why I am rolling my eyes at Feargod because of his fixation on that very narrow application to what I was meaning. Go figure, eh.Delusional does not mean schizophrenic.
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Which is why I am rolling my eyes at Feargod because of his fixation on that very narrow application to what I was meaning. Go figure, eh.Delusional does not mean schizophrenic.
Delusional does not mean schizophrenic.
Yes. We gather evidence. Everything in science is evidence based. There are some theoretical things but evolution is not one of them.When talking about science then we are talking about reality,things that we can observe,test and measure in other words about facts.
The funny thing is that you think there is examples of irreducible complexity.So saying that evolutionists had blown out of the water by science the creationists is really funny and is ultimate ignorance.
Actually it is. And you simply "stating" it as impossible doesn't demonstrate that it is impossible. All of the evidence points the other way.No scientific way in our body systems, are you kidding or just an ultimate ignorance !
Now the way your eyes work by receiving the picture which converted to an electrical signal isn't science to you but is arbitrary happening due to random mutations over billions of years.
What is your evidence that nature can produce a human being without the need for a prior plan.
To have a human being,a man should exist and should be in an adult age to produce sperms and a woman is needed that should also be in an adult age,both should have sexual relationship which isn't planned by the unconscious nature and nor by the human being.
I was merely stating that much of what we see as "planned" did come by accident. I wasn't really equating that to how evolution works.Scientific achievements by accident and not by observation,knowledge and thinking.
Who knows,maybe one day we can see monkeys going to schools.
We don't know. And not knowing is ok. We don't have to have an explanation and personally I doubt that the answer could be anywhere near as simple as god.So if the universe has no creator,then how the universe came to existence from nothingness at first place.
What about you or I has an innate need for a "creator"? I mean we both can actually find out SPECIFICALLY down to the atomic level how we came to be.You and me,for the smarts only to understand.
God devotes an entire chapter of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, to women. In addition, God directly addresses women repeatedly throughout the Quran. Islam proclaims that all human beings, men and women, are born in a pure state. The goal of every Muslim is to preserve this purity by shunning evil tendencies and beautifying their inner being with virtuous traits.
Women have tremendous burden and responsibility that is placed upon them.
And the difficulties that they have to shoulder, in terms of responsibilities, some of which men can't bear. This is why from the most important obligations upon a person is to show gratitude to the mother, and kindness and good companionship with her. And in this matter, Allah has given her precedence over and above the father. Allaah the Most High, says:
And We have enjoined upon man to be dutiful and good to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness and hardship upon hardship, and his weaning is in two years. Show gratitude and thanks to Me and to your parents. Unto Me is the final destination. [Al-Qur'aan 31:14]
While Islam clearly establishes that men and women are equal, it does recognize that they are not identical. God created men and women with unique physiological and psychological attributes. In Islam, these differences are embraced as vital components to a healthy family and community structure with each individual contributing their own distinctive talents to society.
Hence, Gods rules apply to both genders, but in diverse ways. For example, God commanded women to cover certain parts of their body, including their hair, to preserve their modesty. Men are also required to cover parts of their body out of modesty, but not in the same way as women. Therefore, God commanded both men and women to be modest; yet, the manner in which they observe it is different.
Similarly, the rights, roles, and responsibilities of women are evenly balanced with those of men but are not necessarily the same. As Islam has granted individual identities to men and women, a constant comparison between the two is futile. Each plays a unique role to mutually uphold social morality and societal balance.
Oh, yeah, sure. This all sounds so nice. (But not really, on closer inspection. Separate but equal has never produced equality.) So why are women treated as mere livestock in muslim societies? Why are they bartered for financial and political advantage? Why is honour killing tolerated? How about genital mutilation?
In a word, why does the behaviour of those who live in muslim-majority societies bear so little relation to the lofty claims made for islam?
Oh, yeah, sure. This all sounds so nice. (But not really, on closer inspection. Separate but equal has never produced equality.) So why are women treated as mere livestock in muslim societies? Why are they bartered for financial and political advantage? Why is honour killing tolerated? How about genital mutilation?
In a word, why does the behaviour of those who live in muslim-majority societies bear so little relation to the lofty claims made for islam?
Well it sounds ideal by the way you describe it, but perhaps what Islam considers the treatment of women "fair and balanced" may differ greatly to what most members of modern western society considers fair and balanced. Islam by it's very nature is very patriarchal but perhaps one could say different cultures within Islam have very different viewpoints and treatment. Turkey has a different culture than Saudi Arabia for instance where women are clothed head to toe and are not allowed to drive. Most in the west would consider that far from a fair and balanced treatment of women.God devotes an entire chapter of the Quran, the holy book of Islam, to women. In addition, God directly addresses women repeatedly throughout the Quran. Islam proclaims that all human beings, men and women, are born in a pure state. The goal of every Muslim is to preserve this purity by shunning evil tendencies and beautifying their inner being with virtuous traits.
Women have tremendous burden and responsibility that is placed upon them.
And the difficulties that they have to shoulder, in terms of responsibilities, some of which men can't bear. This is why from the most important obligations upon a person is to show gratitude to the mother, and kindness and good companionship with her. And in this matter, Allah has given her precedence over and above the father. Allaah the Most High, says:
And We have enjoined upon man to be dutiful and good to his parents. His mother bore him in weakness upon weakness and hardship upon hardship, and his weaning is in two years. Show gratitude and thanks to Me and to your parents. Unto Me is the final destination. [Al-Qur'aan 31:14]
While Islam clearly establishes that men and women are equal, it does recognize that they are not identical. God created men and women with unique physiological and psychological attributes. In Islam, these differences are embraced as vital components to a healthy family and community structure with each individual contributing their own distinctive talents to society.
Hence, Gods rules apply to both genders, but in diverse ways. For example, God commanded women to cover certain parts of their body, including their hair, to preserve their modesty. Men are also required to cover parts of their body out of modesty, but not in the same way as women. Therefore, God commanded both men and women to be modest; yet, the manner in which they observe it is different.
Similarly, the rights, roles, and responsibilities of women are evenly balanced with those of men but are not necessarily the same. As Islam has granted individual identities to men and women, a constant comparison between the two is futile. Each plays a unique role to mutually uphold social morality and societal balance.
Islam never oppress women but giving her the highest rank,but you can believe a lie if it makes you to feel comfortable.
Islam never oppress women but giving her the highest rank,but you can believe a lie if it makes you to feel comfortable.
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Muslim Women are never treated as livestock and are not bartered.Oh, yeah, sure. This all sounds so nice. (But not really, on closer inspection. Separate but equal has never produced equality.)
So why are women treated as mere livestock in muslim societies? Why are they bartered for financial and political advantage?
Neither of them are tolerated are they are not from Islam.Why is honour killing tolerated? How about genital mutilation?
In a word, why does the behaviour of those who live in muslim-majority societies bear so little relation to the lofty claims made for islam?
Well there are bad people in every society, and most people in the west mostly portray Islam in a bad image.One might argue about whether islam oppresses women, but muslims very clearly do.
That is not true. Women are as smart and pious as men if not more so.In every day matters women are not deemed as smart, strong, pious, etc. outside "progressive" circles or when talking with non-Muslims.
Muslims differ in thisWould you argue this is uncommon attitude, thoughts, beliefs amongst Muslims?
Muslim Women are never treated as livestock and are not bartered.
When has this ever happened? It could just be a man who happens to be Muslim. But it is not from Islam
Neither of them are tolerated are they are not from Islam.
Well there are bad people in every society, and most people in the west mostly portray Islam in a bad image.
That is not true. Women are as smart and pious as men if not more so.
Muslims differ in this
Muslim Women are never treated as livestock and are not bartered.
When has this ever happened? It could just be a man who happens to be Muslim. But it is not from Islam
Neither of them are tolerated are they are not from Islam.
Well there are bad people in every society, and most people in the west mostly portray Islam in a bad image.
That is not true. Women are as smart and pious as men if not more so.
Muslims differ in this
The prophet said that women have two main weaknesses which are that they curse frequently and are ungrateful to their husbands. Just as men have weaknesses and that because of them their are more women who will be punished in the hellfire. (There are more women than men in the world anyway)
He then said that they have a lot of influence over men, even ones that are sensible
When the prophet said that women were deficient in religion and intellect he did not mean it in a bad way. Because women don't have to pray or fast during menstruation.
As for her deficiency in intellect, Women can not control her feelings as much as man and is more patient and merciful than man and is much easily moved by tragic situations than man which is her nature that is why her responsibilities as Allah's vicegerent on earth are less. For example she does not have to financially support the family while financially supporting the family is one of the mans major responsibilities. Another example is her testimony in debt registration sessions or transactions which is a field not frequently tackled by women, which requires great accuracy and understanding of financial matters, in this case her testimony is half that of a man
Both deficiencies are not meant to humiliate or underestimate women but rather understanding her nature. Women have less responsibilities as Allah vicegerent on earth that is the part of their intellect that is missing but it never means that women are brainless, unwise, less intelligent or even less religious than men. The hadith rather empathizes women nature as the part of humanity responsible for emotions and mercy than men. They both have their roles
My belief is Sunni. The prophet said that this religion will split into 73 sects, all of them in the hellfire except one. So his companions asked him: which is that one? He said what me and my companions are on. And that is what Sunni islam is.
When I said anything not in the Quran is not from the religion I made a mistake. It is Also the sunnah. And the companions of the prophet, and what the Islamic nation has agreed on.(not a quranist)
Those who are not Muslims will go to hell. But I will still respect them and it is not allowed to cheat them. Or kill them except if the ruler allows it (during war..)
YmirGF, I want you to ask any questions about islam and I'll answer.
Thanks
The prophet said that women have two main weaknesses which are that they curse frequently and are ungrateful to their husbands. Just as men have weaknesses and that because of them their are more women who will be punished in the hellfire. (There are more women than men in the world anyway)
He then said that they have a lot of influence over men, even ones that are sensible
When the prophet said that women were deficient in religion and intellect he did not mean it in a bad way. Because women don't have to pray or fast during menstruation.
As for her deficiency in intellect, Women can not control her feelings as much as man and is more patient and merciful than man and is much easily moved by tragic situations than man which is her nature that is why her responsibilities as Allah's vicegerent on earth are less. For example she does not have to financially support the family while financially supporting the family is one of the mans major responsibilities. Another example is her testimony in debt registration sessions or transactions which is a field not frequently tackled by women, which requires great accuracy and understanding of financial matters, in this case her testimony is half that of a man
Both deficiencies are not meant to humiliate or underestimate women but rather understanding her nature. Women have less responsibilities as Allah vicegerent on earth that is the part of their intellect that is missing but it never means that women are brainless, unwise, less intelligent or even less religious than men. The hadith rather empathizes women nature as the part of humanity responsible for emotions and mercy than men. They both have their roles
Wow, Islam almost outdoes Christianity in terms of it's authoritarian statements about it being the only way, believe or else. The difference is the Christian writings are often a little more subtle, the Quran is much more blunt about it.Most women forget more so Allah makes sure to stop any injustice by making two women testimonies instead of one.
Muffled: I believe it does
And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers.3:85
Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.3:19
So why say it is not true when I mentioned in Islam women are considered not as smart, strong, or pious?
arcanum said:Wow, Islam almost outdoes Christianity in terms of it's authoritarian statements about it being the only way, believe or else. The difference is the Christian writings are often a little more subtle, the Quran is much more blunt about it.