Islam fights free speech

[faroukfarouk]

If you are talking about an actual religious figure, then yes. Yes I am. You, however, have yet to establish that such a person even existed. Do you think of Mohammed as sinless? The Biblical prophets aren't sinless. A nine year old isn't remotely ready for the responsibilities of adulthood. Would you expect a nine year old to own a house, raise children, get a job, drive a car, pay bills and all the other things expected of an adult? If not, then how could they possibly be prepared for something as life-changing as marriage or sexual intercourse? There's not even any guarantee that a girl will have started undergoing puberty at the age of nine.

Its really sad there you have no knowledge of whats in your bible.
My friend don't get carried away with this so called modern thinkers.They have brain washed you in making you think that its a sin to marry young girls.
They have an objective and you have taken the bait.If Biblical prophets committed sins by marrying young girls then you should not follow their way of life.
Bottom line start a fresh......start a new man made religion.
Hope you getting the big picture.....or are you debating because it has to do with Islam.
You are aware that the present modern World is suffering from Islamophobia.

 

[Parsimony]

Its really sad there you have no knowledge of whats in your bible.

It's also really sad that you expect me to take your word for it without any evidence to back up your claims.

My friend don't get carried away with this so called modern thinkers. They have brain washed you in making you think that its a sin to marry young girls.

Ah, so now you agree that Aisha was a young girl and not a woman, huh? I don't need anyone to tell me that it's wrong to marry someone that young. I'm plenty able to figure out for myself why it's bad. I find it kind of sick that you are trying to defend pedophilia.

They have an objective and you have taken the bait.

"They" have psychological and medical knowledge that didn't exist hundreds of years ago.

If Biblical prophets committed sins by marrying young girls then you should not follow their way of life.

There is no need for me to follow the way of life of this imaginary Biblical pedophile you keep talking about. Following the example of Jesus is good enough.

Bottom line start a fresh......start a new man made religion.

Sorry, but inventing a new religion would be the epitome of stupidity because I would know that it was made-up.

Hope you getting the big picture.....or are you debating because it has to do with Islam.
You are aware that the present modern World is suffering from Islamophobia.

It doesn't have anything to do with Islamophobia. Not for me anyway. I don't care if someone is a Muslim or not. I do care if someone says that marrying under-aged girls should be acceptable, though.

 

[Notanumber]

It is about time that Islamists realized that there is a genuine and justifiable fear of Islam. Therefore, it is not irrational.

So why would they think the present modern World is suffering from Islamophobia?

 

[faroukfarouk]

It's also really sad that you expect me to take your word for it without any evidence to back up your claims.

Ah, so now you agree that Aisha was a young girl and not a woman, huh? I don't need anyone to tell me that it's wrong to marry someone that young. I'm plenty able to figure out for myself why it's bad. I find it kind of sick that you are trying to defend pedophilia.

"They" have psychological and medical knowledge that didn't exist hundreds of years ago.

There is no need for me to follow the way of life of this imaginary Biblical pedophile you keep talking about. Following the example of Jesus is good enough.

Sorry, but inventing a new religion would be the epitome of stupidity because I would know that it was made-up.

It doesn't have anything to do with Islamophobia. Not for me anyway. I don't care if someone is a Muslim or not. I do care if someone says that marrying under-aged girls should be acceptable, though.

What will you do if i proved to you from your Bible that a religious figure married a child?

 

[faroukfarouk]

It is about time that Islamists realized that there is a genuine and justifiable fear of Islam. Therefore, it is not irrational.

So why would they think the present modern World is suffering from Islamophobia?

The only people that should really fear Islam are the worshippers of Satan.
Islam will definitely be an obstacle to a one World Government whose leader will be Satan the antichrist.
We are peace lovers to those that strive for peace.
As for Satan peace is non-negotiable.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The only people that should really fear Islam are the worshippers of Satan.
Islam will definitely be an obstacle to a one World Government whose leader will be Satan the antichrist.
We are peace lovers to those that strive for peace.
As for Satan peace is non-negotiable.

The problem here is that according to Islam's dualistic view of the world: if you're not for Allah you're for Satan by default. This kind of intolerant "you're either with us or you're against us" mentality as well as this:

My friend don't get carried away with this so called modern thinkers.They have brain washed you in making you think that its a sin to marry young girls.

puts to bed the idea that disliking, criticising, mocking or being afraid of Islam is irrational.

Seriously, if you think updating social attitudes as a result of learning more about how the world & people work is necessarily a bad thing, then you're part of what's holding the human race back.

 

[Notanumber]

The only people that should really fear Islam are the worshippers of Satan.
Islam will definitely be an obstacle to a one World Government whose leader will be Satan the antichrist.
We are peace lovers to those that strive for peace.
As for Satan peace is non-negotiable.

There is no such thing as Satan and even if there was, what gives Islamists the right to promote fear against anyone?

Anyone could be accused of worshiping ‘Satan’.

This sounds like a witch-hunt.

 

[faroukfarouk]

The problem here is that according to Islam's dualistic view of the world: if you're not for Allah you're for Satan by default. This kind of intolerant "you're either with us or you're against us" mentality as well as this:



puts to bed the idea that disliking, criticising, mocking or being afraid of Islam is irrational.

Seriously, if you think updating social attitudes as a result of learning more about how the world & people work is necessarily a bad thing, then you're part of what's holding the human race back.

Tell me are you happy with your way of life?

 

[faroukfarouk]

There is no such thing as Satan and even if there was, what gives Islamists the right to promote fear against anyone?

Anyone could be accused of worshiping ‘Satan’.

This sounds like a witch-hunt.

Who the hell is this?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Who the hell is this?

That's Baphomet

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Tell me are you happy with your way of life?

Yes. I mean it's not perfect and there's always room for improvement, but yes. Overall I'd say I'm happy.

 

[faroukfarouk]

Now give me a good reason why i should follow your way of life.

 

[faroukfarouk]

So who is Baphomet?

 

[Parsimony]

What will you do if i proved to you from your Bible that a religious figure married a child?

It wouldn't matter much to me in regards to what I believe, honestly. It would just go to show that they were a flawed individual, which is what I already believe anyway. Can you provide a chapter and verse? Biblical sources only please, not the Talmud or some other document or commentary.

Getting back to what the original topic was, we can use our own discussion here as an example. Do you think someone saying that "Mohammed was wrong to marry a nine-year-old girl" is an example of criticism or incitement?

 

[faroukfarouk]

It wouldn't matter much to me in regards to what I believe, honestly. It would just go to show that they were a flawed individual, which is what I already believe anyway. Can you provide a chapter and verse? Biblical sources only please, not the Talmud or some other document or commentary.

Getting back to what the original topic was, we can use our own discussion here as an example. Do you think someone saying that "Mohammed was wrong to marry a nine-year-old girl" is an example of criticism or incitement?

My friend i will prove to you from your bible that marriage of young girls was permissible.Note from a religious point of view its not a sin because if it was a sin then Almighty God would not have allowed it.He would have revealed a verse to stop such marriages.Further i asked a question that no intellectual could give a honest answer.The question was when does a child or girl become a women?
Note if they give an honest answer then that from that answer you will ascertain that there is no sin in marrying young girls.
I will give your proof tomorrow.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Now give me a good reason why i should follow your way of life.

What for? I'm not in the habit of trying to convert people away from their belief systems; something which is against rule #8 and so could land me in trouble with the moderators. Nice try!

So who is Baphomet?

Some weird looking androgynous creature associated with Thelema (a mystical belief system started by some bloke called Aleister Crowley). I'm not really that knowledgable about Thelema or Baphomet so here is where my answers with any certainty end. It's also something the Knights Templar were apparently accused of worshipping by the Inquisition. I have no idea if the accusations are actually true or not - they may have arisen because the KT were becoming something of an embarrassment to the Church.

 

[Parsimony]

My friend i will prove to you from your bible that marriage of young girls was permissible.Note from a religious point of view its not a sin because if it was a sin then Almighty God would not have allowed it.He would have revealed a verse to stop such marriages.Further i asked a question that no intellectual could give a honest answer.The question was when does a child or girl become a women?
Note if they give an honest answer then that from that answer you will ascertain that there is no sin in marrying young girls.
I will give your proof tomorrow.

My answer is that a girl becomes a woman when she finishes puberty. There are also no verses that command against marrying a newborn baby either, but do you think that means it's okay to do such a thing?

 

[Notanumber]

Why should anyone have to follow anyone else’s way of life?

 

[McBell]

What will you do if i proved to you from your Bible that a religious figure married a child?

I would be in awe that you did not lie about it.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Why should anyone have to follow anyone else’s way of life?

There's also this video of Maryam Namazie being consistently interrupted by Muslims when she went to speak to the Goldsmiths University's Islamic Society. They didn't like her using her free speech to reveal some uncomfortable truths about how Islamic societies affect women.