YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
Thank you, Captain Obvious! LOL!(Not to detail TOO far) but this is not limited to Muslims, either. Just thought I would point that out.
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Islam fights free speech
- Thread starter icehorse
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Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Lolll
U are promoting a fake islam? A islam that promotes homosexuality and other sins?
No by Allah, the believers cannot accept that.
Islam stays the same islam as it was during the time of Prophet PBUH.
Muslims and the mujahideen disagrees with u.
I gotta be good at something and I will take the low hanging fruit.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Peace to all
If non-Muslims (kafir) wants respect from Muslims then you got to earn it.If you going to stop us from practicing our religion freely then thats a violation
of freedom of religion hence don't expect us to respect you.
If modern human rights prevents us from practicing our religion freely then it means as Muslims you don't give us liberties.
Just as you are free to practice your modern human rights you need to give us our freedom to practice our religion.
Note you cannot clap with one hand.
If non-Muslims (kafir) wants respect from Muslims then you got to earn it.If you going to stop us from practicing our religion freely then thats a violation
of freedom of religion hence don't expect us to respect you.
If modern human rights prevents us from practicing our religion freely then it means as Muslims you don't give us liberties.
Just as you are free to practice your modern human rights you need to give us our freedom to practice our religion.
Note you cannot clap with one hand.
Critiquing Islam in published works is not hindering Muslims from practising their faith, for goodness sake.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
What is the object of critiquing???
Ideas are always critiqued. Especially religion. It's a way of testing them to see if they hold up to scrutiny.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Belittling the Prophets of Islam is an ideal?
Notanumber
A Free Man
What happens to non-Muslims (kafir) if they do not want respect from Muslims?
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Maybe you should go and try it in front of a Muslim and let me know what happened.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
We dont want respect from those who disbelieve in Allah swt. Just leave us alone, we leave u alone.
No, Islam is an idea. YOU see it as belittling, WE see it as historic investigation. It's done to Christ all the time and Christians aren't moaning about it. Instead, we try to come up with counterarguments like normal people.
Who is Islam?
That singer, innit? Cat Stevens.
The best post in all this gloomy thread
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faroukfarouk
Active Member
We in Islam are not like Christians.Our religion is from God Almighty.We respect all our Prophets be it Muhammad or Jesus(peace and blessings be upon them both).we take our religion very seriously.Any attack on our Prophets is a personal attack on our religion.
Those books on your OP is nothing more than hatred for our way of life.
If you happy with your modern human rights way of life then its good for you.we not objecting to your way of life.You have freedom to practice it.
You with your way of life we with our way of life.
Please go and read those filthy books then you will understand my point of view.
Those books on your OP is nothing more than hatred for our way of life.
If you happy with your modern human rights way of life then its good for you.we not objecting to your way of life.You have freedom to practice it.
You with your way of life we with our way of life.
Please go and read those filthy books then you will understand my point of view.
Have fun on my ignore list.
faroukfarouk
Active Member
Thank you i do the same.
YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
I think you make an important point. The conundrum here is how far do we take this ideal? If we give Muslims leeway for things we have deemed obsolete ways of thinking do we extend that leeway to include "fringe" groups as well? Do we discriminate against the smallest groups while giving the larger group a free pass? That said, if modern human rights go against your religious teachings then perhaps it is time to reexamine those teachings otherwise you are in danger of being left behind as "modern" society marches inexorably forward. People are welcome to be that proverbial "stick in the mud" and cling to their old ways all they like - but should we seriously respect them and their decision to do so? It would be like asking Muhammad to be respectful of Pagan beliefs, shrines and practices. He was rather intolerant of each of those and yet that is all fine and dandy. So, what do you do about it?
Well this is an interesting line of thought. It seems you want me to take on more than I am, but I'm not quite sure what you're getting at. First off, did you even skim the article in the OP? As I said earlier, the article makes many factual claims. It is not "throwing out accusations", correct?
As far as causal relationships, I'm guilty of taking Muslims at their word. It seems to me that if you don't do that then you're the one guilty of soft bigotry, correct?
As far as quoting scripture? It would seem that you haven't been paying attention. That never works. The scripture means or doesn't mean whatever a Muslims needs it to mean or not mean in the moment. That path is well proven to be a waste of time, correct?
Yes, I do condemn Islam. It is in desperate need of reform.