Islam Has Been Hijacked By...

[Rival]

did God love Satan or Hitler or any criminal ?
If God loves of all us why he sent His messangers ?
why God did created hell and paradise ?
where is the love when he let his son die for sins never commit ?
why he let us die ?
why let some bad people hurting us ?

These are for you to answer. It's why @A Greased Scotsman and I are Pagans, because your Allah sounds sociopathic, and we reject him and his faith. I have no idea why a so-called loving God would create jahannam, or jinn, or sheitan, or any of these things.

 

[Godobeyer]

These are for you to answer. It's why @A Greased Scotsman and I are Pagans, because your Allah sounds sociopathic, and we reject him and his faith. I have no idea why a so-called loving God would create jahannam, or jinn, or sheitan, or any of these things.

I know that you don't believe in Islam

my reply (question)was specific for leibowde84 , because i think he is christian

 

[leibowde84]

did God love Satan or Hitler or any criminal ?

Satan, imho, doesn't exist, but if he did, he wouldn't be relevant, as Satan is a fallen angel, not a person. But, I'm sure that God would love Satan if Satan existed.

If God loves of all us why he sent His messangers ?

I think that, most likely, most of these "messengers" were actually either out of their minds, or seeking attention/power. I don't think that God sends people to speak for him, but that is my prerogative.

why God did created hell and paradise ?

I don't believe that Hell exists. I think we all get what we want in the afterlife, no matter what that may be. There is no punishment, and there might even be more lives on earth after death. I like the philosophy that claims that human life is a vehicle for learning. We keep coming back until we have figured out what we needed to.

where is the love when he let his son die for sins never commit ?

Jesus, imho, was God. There is no "son", and I find that term to be confusing. Jesus came to earth to connect with mankind in a way that, before, he never could. He truly became understanding of the difficulties we face here.

why he let us die ?

Free-will cannot exist without death.

why let some bad people hurting us ?

Free-will can't exist without this either. God gave up power when he gave us freedom to defy him.

 

[Godobeyer]

Satan, imho, doesn't exist, but if he did, he wouldn't be relevant, as Satan is a fallen angel, not a person. But, I'm sure that God would love Satan if Satan existed.

ok , how about Hilter and all criminal people , does God loved them too ?

I think that, most likely, most of these "messengers" were actually either out of their minds, or seeking attention/power. I don't think that God sends people to speak for him, but that is my prerogative.

I mean if He already loved us why He send us messangers for first place ?

I don't believe that Hell exists. I think we all get what we want in the afterlife, no matter what that may be. There is no punishment, and there might even be more lives on earth after death. I like the philosophy that claims that human life is a vehicle for learning. We keep coming back until we have figured out what we needed to.

in Christianity Hell and Heaven mentionned in Bible .

Jesus, imho, was God. There is no "son", and I find that term to be confusing. Jesus came to earth to connect with mankind in a way that, before, he never could. He truly became understanding of the difficulties we face here.

Jesus (pbuh) never represent him-self to the people as God , and never said that he will die for sins , that's authors of Bible claims .

Free-will cannot exist without death.

that's wrong .

do you think Afterlife the people whom enter to Paradise, they don't have free-will ?

Free-will can't exist without this either. God gave up power when he gave us freedom to defy him.

I agree with this one .

 

[Shia Islam]

Why don't they use Wicca, or Asatru, or Christianity or...anything else?

Who will steal an old shoe?!
Thieves steal what is expensive...
Islam is the expensive religion.

 

[outhouse]

Islam is the expensive religion.

Unsubstantiated rhetoric.

 

[Shia Islam]

Unsubstantiated rhetoric.

They were only three short lines...why did not you quote them all?!

Who will steal an old shoe?!
Thieves steal what is expensive...
Islam is the expensive religion.

 

[Sees]

Who will steal an old shoe?!
Thieves steal what is expensive...
Islam is the expensive religion.

That could be taken in a very negative way - since expensive doesn't necessarily mean more valuable, useful, worthwhile, etc. People not so fond of Islam would willingly agree that it has cost the world quite a lot.

 

[MARCELLO]

Yes but nobody went around trying to justify these ideas and saying that they were inherently non-violent and allowing hoards of Commie immigrants in. Also, Islam has been flashing its sword since Muhammad established it.

What about the sword of christians strapped at the heart of muslim lands since the discovery of oil?

 

[outhouse]

Radicals are part of islam, it is not separate from it. It Is islam.

 

[idav]

IS
Al Qaeda
Boko Haram
Somali Pirates (I forget the name)
...etc.

Why does Islam seem to lend itself so easily to being 'hijacked' by terror groups and pirates and kidnappers? Why don't they use Wicca, or Asatru, or Christianity or...anything else? Why does it always seem to be this religion? I'm banking on it having something to do with Islam.

It's cause of politics which Islam lends itself to and politics don't belong here in religions. Islam attracts power hungry radicals more than most. That being said an abortion clinic got attacked by Christians, nothing to the scale as seen in France. If we were closer we would be in France's shoes with our freedoms under attack under the guise of religious motivated agendas.

 

[Rival]

It's cause of politics which Islam lends itself to and politics don't belong here in religions. Islam attracts power hungry radicals more than most. That being said an abortion clinic got attacked by Christians, nothing to the scale as seen in France. If we were closer we would be in France's shoes with our freedoms under attack under the guise of religious motivated agendas.

Yes but the question is why does Islam attract these people? It's because the Qur'an and hadith allow for these types and lend themselves to such dogmas as ISIS and Wahabis hold. It's that simple and no-one wants to say it.

 

[outhouse]

Islam attracts power hungry radicals more than most.

Wrong IMHO

It breeds these people. It does not attract them. There are millions more just waiting to strike terror if they could.

That being said an abortion clinic got attacked by Christians

No religion is innocent from fanaticism and severe fundamentalism.


The difference is in the amount of them. islam has the highest amount of terrorism by far then any abrahamic traditions, when I say high, I mean night and day difference.

 

[outhouse]

Imagine if all christians were so fundamental that the religion required YEC beliefs and fanaticism, out of every last member.

Then add poverty, illiteracy, a thousand years of sectarian violence, multiple war torn countries, politics tied to sectarian differences, all in third world countries that have never seen peace or decent education.

Then imagine 1/3 of them want religion and government tied together, and all science and history and politics tied to primitive mythology.

Then have every last member, see no need for reform.

 

[idav]

Yes but the question is why does Islam attract these people? It's because the Qur'an and hadith allow for these types and lend themselves to such dogmas as ISIS and Wahabis hold. It's that simple and no-one wants to say it.

I don't quite agree. Why is because Islam is a political agenda. Muslim religion as far as I know is unique in endorsing something like Islam even conpared to fanatic Christians. That's why Islam and not others. Christians look toward a new spiritual world while Islam wants it physically here in governments.

 

[outhouse]

I don't quite agree. Why is because Islam is a political agenda. Muslim religion as far as I know is unique in endorsing something like Islam even conpared to fanatic Christians. That's why Islam and not others. Christians look toward a new spiritual world while Islam wants it physically here in governments.

The problem as I see it Christian fanaticism is a minority of the faith.

This level of fanaticism is required as a starting point for all of islam, and it only gets worse from there.


I have stressed the point quite often, there is a thin line between, all muslims and these so called radical mulsims. You don't have to take my advise, but you will have better odds of survival if you heed these words of warning.

 

[idav]

Islam wasn't hijacked but invented by unsavry ruthless people. The Muslim religion is what was hijacked. Religion doesn't belong in politics.

 

[outhouse]

Islam wasn't hijacked but invented by unsavry ruthless people.

Sorry I have some bad feelings right now, But this is not really true.

All people back then were typically like this. ALL People of this time period were very brutal the likes you cannot imagine.

The Muslim religion is what was hijacked.

Its not hijacked.

Human nature is hijacked by a religion so vague it can be perverted with a thousand decent interpretations, due to required fanaticism and fundamentalism ofg all followers.

If you have not noticed there is no moderation, and there is no "half way" for every last one it is all or nothing.

Religion doesn't belong in politics.

Agreed. It doesn't belong in humanity without moderation

 

[idav]

Sorry I have some bad feelings right now, But this is not really true.

All people back then were typically like this. ALL People of this time period were very brutal the likes you cannot imagine.



Its not hijacked.

Human nature is hijacked by a religion so vague it can be perverted with a thousand decent interpretations, due to required fanaticism and fundamentalism ofg all followers.

If you have not noticed there is no moderation, and there is no "half way" for every last one it is all or nothing.



Agreed. It doesn't belong in humanity without moderation

Maybe but I think Muslim is a peaceful religion that humans ruin as usual. Islam has a far greater reach as you see in the uk embracing it into the government.

 

[Mindmaster]

Muhammad destroyed Pagan idols when he conquered Mecca, and if the majority of Islamic scholars and historians are to be believed, he also forbade non-Muslims from entering it or building houses of worship in the Arabian Peninsula. Fortunately, not all countries in the Arabian peninsula follow this rule today.

Also, the Qur'an itself repeatedly states that Allah hates the non-believers and has prepared agonizing torment for them in the afterlife. It also commands cutting off thieves' hands and lashing for premarital sex in explicit terms.

It seems to me that going by some people's logic, Muhammad and Allah themselves would be "fake Muslims" who "hijacked Islam."

This war tendency is also from "day one" because when the Abrahamic religions moved a pagan religion out they'd often plunk a temple, church, or mosque down right on the pagan sacred spot. From day one, they were basically about war... Thus, the holy books of all of these religions encourage war, stratification, inequality, racism, and other abuses of humanity. Nearly any despicable action is excused as long as it is done to non-followers.

Why doesn't Islam stand up to the radicals? Quite simple -- They view those radicals as doing Allah's work and have barely lifted a finger to stop them.

However, I don't blame them -- they are just doing what they know how to do. To stop them, we just need to pull out all the military and give them nothing to fight over. For the refugees that have moved to western countries -- we'll spoil the **** out of them and give them good lives. If we do that we will destroy the radicals with our goodwill; when they call mom in the UK or Greece she's going to say: "Wow, they are really taking great care of us. We are getting good jobs, we don't have to hear explosions every night, and we are eating well." Just that will take the **** right out of them. This is the type of thinking people are not using... If their women and children (and even male non-radicals) won't come back to them because they are being treated well this war is over... They will be standing in a dirt pile alone w/o and children to replace the lost fighters and will die out as they die naturally or by the stupidity of their actions. It is totally within the Western nations power to end this peacefully...