Islam Has Been Hijacked By...

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Love is also human imperfection , do think God don't love His followers ?

I believe God is the Justice .

Now you're caught in a conundrum: either Allah doesn't love us or Allah is not perfect (and is, resultingly, deceiving his followers into thinking he is).

Either way, the number of reasons to believe he alone is worthy of worship just decreased.

 

[Rival]

Now you're caught in a conundrum: either Allah doesn't love us or Allah is not perfect (and is, resultingly, deceiving his followers into thinking he is).

Either way, the number of reasons to believe he alone is worthy of worship just decreased.

Not to mention he's apparently merciful and meting out due-justice at the same time.

 

[Godobeyer]

Now you're caught in a conundrum: either Allah doesn't love us or Allah is not perfect (and is, resultingly, deceiving his followers into thinking he is).

Either way, the number of reasons to believe he alone is worthy of worship just decreased.

btw Allah is Arabic word to God in English .

If you don't love Allah , how He suppose love you ?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

Not to mention he's apparently merciful and meting out due-justice at the same time.

"Due-justice" being infinite punishment (he's not obliged to give) to those who exercised the finite choice he gave them to not believe in him.

 

[Rival]

btw Allah is Arabic word to God in English .

If you don't love Allah , how He suppose love you ?

Seriously? Allah can't love you if you don't love him? Humans are better than this.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

btw Allah is Arabic word to God in English .

If you don't love Allah , how He suppose love you ?

Allah, according to you, is our parent. A parent worthy of the title loves his or her children unconditionally. An all-powerful, all-knowing parent like Allah might (for no reason) lose patience with us from time to time; but they should be easily capable of refraining from torturing us for eternity. Equally, a loving parent wouldn't want to torture us for eternity. Since Allah is, according to your beliefs, all-powerful, Allah is not constrained by fate nor by cause-and-effect. So he can simply not punish us for eternity. He can give us a much shorter punishment. Or he could not punish us at all since we didn't actually do anything wrong.

If Allah doesn't love us then he is not our parent. If Allah is both willing and able to torture us for eternity for finite 'crimes' then not only is he not our parent, he is a monster.

 

[outhouse]

in Islam , God did not creat us for no reason , He creat us to worship Him .

What happened to love and guide and educate ?

 

[Godobeyer]

Seriously? Allah can't love you if you don't love him? Humans are better than this.

humans are not better .

Humans are weaker to be equal to God .

 

[Rival]

God created us to worship him. That is really sad.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

humans are not better .

Humans are weaker to be equal to God .

So unconditional love is a weakness? Allah is a psychopathic monster.

 

[Godobeyer]

God created us to worship him. That is really sad.

why not ?

 

[Godobeyer]

So unconditional love is a weakness? Allah is a psychopathic monster.

If you had His power , you can make rules instead of Him .

He created you and He will make you die , you don't have a choice in this two top things of your life .

and you had no choice in many of His rules .

 

[Rival]

humans are not better .

Humans are weaker to be equal to God .

I'm a mushrik but I'm gonna Bible bash you.

Luke 6:35: But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting anything back. Then your reward will be great and you will be like the sons of the Most High because he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

1 John 4:19: We love because He first loved us

This is Yeshua giving instruction to humans.

Matt 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

 

[outhouse]

He will make you die

Factually, he will not make me do anything. He does not exist in my mind or my life, nor in my reality.

And you have no evidence he exist in anyone else's.

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm a mushrik but I'm gonna Bible bash you.

Luke 6:35: But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting anything back. Then your reward will be great and you will be like the sons of the Most High because he is kind to the ungrateful and the wicked.

1 John 4:19: We love because He first loved us

This is Yeshua giving instruction to humans.

Matt 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the righteous and on the unrighteous. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers and sisters, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

I believe thats Luke and John and Matt said , not God .

For Christianinty , they believe God made Paradise and Hell .

since you used Bible :
then where is love in that God put His son to die for sins he did not commit (edited)?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

If you had His power , you can make rules instead of Him .

He created you and He will make you die , you don't have a choice in this two top things of your life .

and you had no choice in many of His rules .

Which does nothing to address my points. I'm not questioning whether he's all-powerful or not; rather I'm questioning the veracity of your claims about Allah based on how he's purportedly going to use said power.

Might does not make right.

 

[Godobeyer]

Factually, he will not make me do anything. He does not exist in my mind or my life, nor in my reality.

And you have no evidence he exist in anyone else's.

He exist and make you exist , he will cause you die , as he cause you sleep (mini-death) , you did not even had control in His small rules (as sleep or **** or eat ...)

 

[Rival]

I believe thats Luke and John and Matt said , not God .

For Christianinty , they believe God made Paradise and Hell .

since you used Bible :
then where is love in that God put His son to die for sins he did not done ?

You obviously don't understand the Christian concept of vicarious redemption, but that is a whole new topic and, considering I am not a Christian, I do not care to go into it.

It doesn't matter who is saying it, I don't believe God said it either, but it is illustrating my point that humans can love better than your God. Jesus, if he ever said those things, or whoever said those things, was instructing us to pray for those who persecute us and love those who hate us. This is a superior love to your Allah's, who doesn't love unbelievers.

 

[Godobeyer]

, was instructing us to pray for those who persecute us and love those who hate us. This is a superior love to your Allah's, who doesn't love unbelievers.

btw i am discuss the love in judgement day (Hell and Paradise)
not His "love" in this life .

Why God suppose love unbelievers in judgement day ?

 

[Rival]

btw i am discuss the love in judgement day (Hell and Paradise)
not His "love" in this life .

Why God suppose love unbelievers in judgement day ?

Because he's supposed to be merciful (how many times does the Koran say this?) and what the hell does not believing in God have to do with being a good person?