Islam is a false religion per Quran itself.

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Yeah, Christianity doesn't make much sense - but what was it about that Quran that convinced you that it is the actual, infallible, immutable, revealed word of an actual god? Be as specific as you can please.

There is the archetype religion then the specific instance of it. The abstract concept is proven irrelevant of Mohammad (S). But if not Mohammad (s), there is no instance of it today.

So Quran reasons about Messengers and Prophets and Leaders God appoints and talks about it's abstract form. If not the Ahlulbayt of Mohammad (s), there would be a different Ahlulbayt that would be the door of God. If not Quran, then still, God can verify the truth through his words.

If we aren't required to love the chosen kin in 42:23, there would be a different chosen kin.

However, the reasoning that:

(1) God sends revelations/scriptures/writtings (Nubuwa)
(2) God unifies those scriptures with chosen leaders who understand it best (Imama)
(3) God manifests the truth through message of Messengers.(Resalah)
(4) God is capable of providing proof such as miracles of Moses (a) (Ayat)
(5) They come in groups known as "Ahlulbayt" (the wisdom of succession and unity of a chosen family in the cause of religion) (Wasiya)

is used to prove the proper religion in the Quran at least in abstract form.

Then if God would sent Messengers and God is proven to exist, then belief in God and Mohammad (S) become interlinked.

You study all the religions, and see which ones make sense to be from God. Rationally God is capable of providing proof, and if no miracles in the open now, there needs to be a different type of miracle and signs, which to me, only Quran qualifies in this day and age.

However, the truth is KWED, you don't believe in God and so don't see the rational of judgment day or Messengers in general.

But if you do, then, Islam is a very natural choice. Moreover if you believe in the light of God, you can recognize the light of God in this universe, although God is the light of it, is not God. It's his proof, and so it makes sense those who are his light will be delegated the task of guidance in human form as well, to avoid delegation problems.

That is the reason it's not Angels, is to avoid, delegation. Not everyone can handle seeing Angels and their reality without have judgment take them and less vision type then they will say they are hallucinating or bewitched, so to avoid people claiming to represent God's light, God's light is the one who takes on human form of a leader/guide. Mohammad (S) is said to be the proof and reminder for this reason.

His family are also that same light and reminder from God.

 

[stanberger]

Yeah, Christianity doesn't make much sense - but what was it about that Quran that convinced you that it is the actual, infallible, immutable, revealed word of an actual god? Be as specific as you can please.

 

[stanberger]

Yeah, Christianity doesn't make much sense - but what was it about that Quran that convinced you that it is the actual, infallible, immutable, revealed word of an actual god? Be as specific as you can please.

the monotheism islam teaches makes much more sense it was taught by all true prophets Adam noah Abraham moses jesus ' worship our lord the one god only ' and Muhammad. Paul was the wolf in sheep clothing Jesus warned about. and the church clergy who voted for trinity trigod at nicea 325ad at nicea are the same clergy who delight in chasing 11 yr old altar boys around the rectory just not for me to believe in those clowns

 

[KWED]

the monotheism islam teaches makes much more sense

That's like saying "Elves make more sense than Goblins".

it was taught by all true prophets Adam noah Abraham moses jesus ' worship our lord the one god only ' and Muhammad.

Islam was not taught by the early "prophets". That is just a claim made by Islam.

Paul was the wolf in sheep clothing Jesus warned about.

Yes, as I said, Christianity makes no sense. But neither does Islam. It's like switching to crack because heroin makes you ill.

and the church clergy who voted for trinity trigod at nicea 325ad at nicea

The trinitarian god is described in the gospels and was accepted from the very beginning. The council of Nicaea merely codified the existing belief. Surprised that a Christian didn't know that.

are the same clergy who delight in chasing 11 yr old altar boys around the rectory just not for me to believe in those clowns

So you are using the "Islam is bad because of ISIS" argument there. Surprised that a Muslim would go down that route.

 

[KWED]

the monotheism islam teaches makes much more sense

I asked...
"What was it about that Quran that convinced you that it is the actual, infallible, immutable, revealed word of an actual god? Be as specific as you can please."

In other words, what convinced you that is was written by a god rather than by men?
(Note: some rant about your dislike of gay marriage is not a valid answer)

 

[stanberger]

That's like saying "Elves make more sense than Goblins".

Islam was not taught by the early "prophets". That is just a claim made by Islam.

Yes, as I said, Christianity makes no sense. But neither does Islam. It's like switching to crack because heroin makes you ill.

The trinitarian god is described in the gospels and was accepted from the very beginning. The council of Nicaea merely codified the existing belief. Surprised that a Christian didn't know that.

So you are using the "Islam is bad because of ISIS" argument there. Surprised that a Muslim would go down that route.

big difference in bible v quran. no passover in quran exodus story g od did not kill innocent infants in cribs of Egypt. that would make him just as sinister as pharaoh islam means submission to the creator only. [monotheism]. in that respect thats what Adam noah abraham moses Jesus taught as well ...bart erman biblical scholar ' none of the gospels were even written by the 4 said apostles and were written in greek that no apostle spoke ' folks the terms ' trinity church christianity. easter and sun day worship ' were never uttered from the mouth of Jesus not once it would be a surprise had I not left church for islam in 2002

 

[stanberger]

That's like saying "Elves make more sense than Goblins".

Islam was not taught by the early "prophets". That is just a claim made by Islam.

Yes, as I said, Christianity makes no sense. But neither does Islam. It's like switching to crack because heroin makes you ill.

The trinitarian god is described in the gospels and was accepted from the very beginning. The council of Nicaea merely codified the existing belief. Surprised that a Christian didn't know that.

So you are using the "Islam is bad because of ISIS" argument there. Surprised that a Muslim would go down that route.

to me as a student of history. the kkk. poor boys. nazis. crusaders inquistioneyrs. conquistadors are the true followers of Jesus ' go buy swords kill my deniers '

 

[KWED]

big difference in bible v quran. no passover in quran exodus story g od did not kill innocent infants in cribs of Egypt. that would make him just as sinister as pharaoh

Have you read the Quran? There are accounts of god committing genocide just because he doesn't like the way people think.

islam means submission to the creator only. [monotheism]. in that respect thats what Adam noah abraham moses Jesus taught as well

There are many elements of Islam that were not taught by the early prophets.

...bart erman biblical scholar ' none of the gospels were even written by the 4 said apostles and were written in greek that no apostle spoke '

Once again, I agree with you that Christianity is nonsense. But I didn't ask you why you don't like Christianity. I asked you what in the Quran convinced you that it was written by a god and not by men.

folks the terms ' trinity church christianity. easter and sun day worship ' were never uttered from the mouth of Jesus not once

And there are elements of Islam that are not contained in the Quran. In fact, scholars make rulings about Islamic practice and principles all the time.
And yes, we get it, you don't like Christianity. However, I am asking you to defend Islam not attack Christianity.

 

[KWED]

to me as a student of history.

Yeah, sure.

the kkk. poor boys. nazis. crusaders inquistioneyrs. conquistadors are the true followers of Jesus ' go buy swords kill my deniers '

Presumably you also accept ISIS, Taliban, Al Qaeda, Boko Haram, various invading Muslim imperialist empires, etc as true followers of Allah and Muhammad's "Fight the disbelievers until they submit to Islam"?

What's that? You don't?
Why the inconsistency?

Jesus ' go buy swords kill my deniers '

Could you quote the passage where he says this? Thanks.

 

[stanberger]

Have you read the Quran? There are accounts of god committing genocide just because he doesn't like the way people think.

There are many elements of Islam that were not taught by the early prophets.

Once again, I agree with you that Christianity is nonsense. But I didn't ask you why you don't like Christianity. I asked you what in the Quran convinced you that it was written by a god and not by men.

And there are elements of Islam that are not contained in the Quran. In fact, scholars make rulings about Islamic practice and principles all the time.
And yes, we get it, you don't like Christianity. However, I am asking you to defend Islam not attack Christianity.

Have you read the Quran? There are accounts of god committing genocide just because he doesn't like the way people think.

There are many elements of Islam that were not taught by the early prophets.

Once again, I agree with you that Christianity is nonsense. But I didn't ask you why you don't like Christianity. I asked you what in the Quran convinced you that it was written by a god and not by men.

And there are elements of Islam that are not contained in the Quran. In fact, scholars make rulings about Islamic practice and principles all the time.
And yes, we get it, you don't like Christianity. However, I am asking you to defend Islam not attack Christianity.

no genocide in quran on the scale found in bible. for example yahweh in bible floods entire earth due to nephilim [fallen angels] raping women on earth. lol. in quran noah floods regional affected only people of noah maybe 100-150 total population ....vs. 3 million people on earth drowned in bible worldwide flood. the physical aspects of islam are in hadiths and superstitions of men at that time today these aspects are taught by the parents. how to pray when to pray. how to fast ramadan how to go to haj. today 90 percent of muslims have no Hadith books at home. bible combines man made sayings and god's word together

 

[KWED]

no genocide in quran on the scale found in bible. for example yahweh in bible floods entire earth

The description of the flood in the Quran implies a global flood. Then there is Sodom and Gomorrah, and the various other tribes and cities destroyed by Allah because he doesn't like it when people don't worship him.

today 90 percent of muslims have no Hadith books at home.

But the people who tell them about Islam do.

bible combines man made sayings and god's word together

The Bible never claims to be the literal, revealed word of god in the way the Quran does.
However, both the Bible and the Quran were clearly written by men from that region and period.

 

[stanberger]

The description of the flood in the Quran implies a global flood. Then there is Sodom and Gomorrah, and the various other tribes and cities destroyed by Allah because he doesn't like it when people don't worship him.

But the people who tell them about Islam do.

The Bible never claims to be the literal, revealed word of god in the way the Quran does.
However, both the Bible and the Quran were clearly written by men from that region and period.

naw son quran never says global flood. that dog won't hunt. small cities destroyed pales in comparison to global flood due to nephilim[ fallen rapist angels]. ...science agrees with quran no global flood and bible never mentions Big Bang of creation. universe expanding. or evolution of man from the earth

 

[KWED]

naw son quran never says global flood. that dog won't hunt. small cities destroyed pales in comparison to global flood due to nephilim[ fallen rapist angels]. ...science agrees with quran no global flood and bible never mentions Big Bang of creation. universe expanding. or evolution of man from the earth

I'm sorry. Are you trying to converse in English?
Just wondering.

 

[stanberger]

I'm sorry. Are you trying to converse in English?
Just wondering.

si señor

 

[KWED]

naw son quran never says global flood. that dog won't hunt. small cities destroyed pales in comparison to global flood due to nephilim[ fallen rapist angels]. ...science agrees with quran no global flood

The description of the flood in the Quran implies a global flood. How else would people on mountains still have drowned, and how did the ark come to rest on a mountain several thousand feet above sea level?

and bible never mentions Big Bang of creation. universe expanding.

Neither does the Quran

or evolution of man from the earth

Man didn't evolve from the earth.
Also, the Quran says man was formed "from clay". The essential components of clay are aluminium and silica - two elements almost entirely absent from the human body. The author of the Quran could hardly have been more wrong.

 

[KWED]

si señor

It's interesting that you repeatedly fail to answer questions or address issues raised. Not entirely surprising though. It is often the case that converts are very zealous but also not too familiar with scripture as their position is largely based on the propaganda they were fed by dawah merchants.

 

[stanberger]

The description of the flood in the Quran implies a global flood. How else would people on mountains still have drowned, and how did the ark come to rest on a mountain several thousand feet above sea level?

Neither does the Quran

Man didn't evolve from the earth.
Also, the Quran says man was formed "from clay". The essential components of clay are aluminium and silica - two elements almost entirely absent from the human body. The author of the Quran could hardly have been more wrong.

 

[stanberger]

'implies global flood ' not even close the region near Dead Sea is some of the lowest points on earth would take much for 40 days of rain to flood to the lowest mountain peak in area. god in quran does not murder 3 million people globally like yahweh in bible .....science and quran say man evolved from the earth you say it doesn't because your bible erroneously says so ..glad I left church for islam

 

[KWED]

'implies global flood ' not even close the region near Dead Sea is some of the lowest points on earth would take much for 40 days of rain to flood to the lowest mountain peak in area.

I see you are as ill-informed about geography as you are about Islam. The "region around the Dead Sea" contains peaks more than 1000 ft above sea level. Any flood that covered them would necessarily be global.
Also, as I already pointed out, The Quran says the ark came to rest on the slopes of Mount Judi, which is nearly 7000 ft above sea level and over 500 miles from the Dead Sea. How did it get up there if the flood was confined to the Dead Sea valley?
And what takes you think Noah lived on the shores of the Dead Sea?
Your argument is incoherent.

glad I left church for islam

Interesting that you repeatedly avoid explaining what it is about the Quran than convinced you that it was written by a god rather than by men.
Come on. Fess up.

 

[stanberger]

I see you are as ill-informed about geography as you are about Islam. The "region around the Dead Sea" contains peaks more than 1000 ft above sea level. Any flood that covered them would necessarily be global.
Also, as I already pointed out, The Quran says the ark came to rest on the slopes of Mount Judi, which is nearly 7000 ft above sea level and over 500 miles from the Dead Sea. How did it get up there if the flood was confined to the Dead Sea valley?
And what takes you think Noah lived on the shores of the Dead Sea?
Your argument is incoherent.

Interesting that you repeatedly avoid explaining what it is about the Quran than convinced you that it was written by a god rather than by men.
Come on. Fess up.

no name of any mountain is in quran. speculation only. quran never says noah floods global. that would be the work of a barbaric yahweh...whose reasoning was nephilim raped women on earth ....lol. my my the xxx rated imagination of biblical scribes