Islam is not a religion of terror. Is it?

[MARCELLO]

Hey Marcello,

Yours seems to be the "two wrongs make it right" argument? Really?

I've never defended Christianity, I think it's the 2nd worst religion in the world.

Mine was just an example to show how the things go wrong in non muslim world . I have no scale to weigh the worst religions,so I do not know who comes first or last, also I am so surprised about your categorization,who taught you these wonderful facts? Ohh yes, the statistics ,right? You perfectly know that you cannot make statistics about humans as they have got feelings and feelings cannot be measured.

I work in finance and I never seemed to accept two wrongs make it right,noway,I am good at maths since 3.

I suggest you really observe what '' really '' happens '' in 3rd non muslim world. Start from bride/widow burnings in India ,even in posh educated families...

 

[paarsurrey]

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I give the verse and the verses in the context, some preceding and some following to get the true understanding of the verse under Question:
[8:56]Surely, the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who are ungrateful. So they will not believe,
[8:57]Those with whom thou didst make a covenant; then they break their covenant every time, and they do not fear God.
[8:58]So, if thou catchest them in war, then by routing them strike fear in those that are behind them, that they may be admonished.
[8:59]And if thou fearest treachery from a people, throw back to them their covenant with equity. Surely, Allah loves not the treacherous.
[8:60]And let not those who disbelieve think that they have outstripped Us. Surely, they cannot frustrateGod’s purpose.
[8:61]And make ready for them whatever you can of armed force and of mounted pickets at the frontier, whereby you may frighten the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you know not, but Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah, it shall be repaid to you in full and you shall not be wronged.
[8:62]And if they incline towards peace, incline thou also towards it, and put thy trust in Allah. Surely, it is He Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
[8:63]And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficient for thee. He it is Who has strengthened thee with His help and with the believers;
[8:64]And He has put affection between their hearts. If thou hadst expended all that is in the earth, thou couldst not have put affection between their hearts, but Allah has put affection between them. Surely, He is Mighty, Wise.
[8:65]O Prophet, Allah is sufficient for thee and for those who follow thee of the believers
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=8&verse=60
Now one should use the method to find the correct meaning as demonstrated by me in post #30 .
Regards

 

[icehorse]

Mine was just an example to show how the things go wrong in non muslim world . I have no scale to weigh the worst religions,so I do not know who comes first or last, also I am so surprised about your categorization,who taught you these wonderful facts? Ohh yes, the statistics ,right? You perfectly know that you cannot make statistics about humans as they have got feelings and feelings cannot be measured.

I work in finance and I never seemed to accept two wrongs make it right,noway,I am good at maths since 3.

I suggest you really observe what '' really '' happens '' in 3rd non muslim world. Start from bride/widow burnings in India ,even in posh educated families...

Who taught me? Well I did research. Now if your argument is that I should rank Hinduism as the 2nd worst, I'd consider that suggestion.

Now, remember that we're in the debate forum, and this thread's topic has to do with Islam. But maybe you're saying that all the major religions tend to engender violence? I'd be willing to consider that as well.

Let me ask you this, do you agree that belief influences behavior?

Let me also ask you this, is it your contention that we can never generalize? I'm really confused by what you're saying considering statistics... math is essential to science. I assume you use modern medicine? It's clear you use the internet. So why are you seeming to complain about statistics?

 

[MARCELLO]

Who taught me? Well I did research. Now if your argument is that I should rank Hinduism as the 2nd worst, I'd consider that suggestion.

Now, remember that we're in the debate forum, and this thread's topic has to do with Islam. But maybe you're saying that all the major religions tend to engender violence? I'd be willing to consider that as well.

Let me ask you this, do you agree that belief influences behavior?

Let me also ask you this, is it your contention that we can never generalize? I'm really confused by what you're saying considering statistics... math is essential to science. I assume you use modern medicine? It's clear you use the internet. So why are you seeming to complain about statistics?

No,behavior influences belief,I am getting well ?

As a gay white living in africa I am maybe much less than 0,1 % of where I live my life . You can perfectly ignore me as I represent less than 1 % . This is called generalization. Put me on your scale and weigh me. In your generalization,I am ignorable.

And so please?

By the way,as a christian living in muslim sheria country,I am sure that I wont forget that this topic is about islam

 

[icehorse]

Hey Marcello,

you said: "behavior influences belief". I agree!

So I think it goes both ways, not just one way:

- behavior influences belief AND
- belief influences behavior

agreed?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I understand that English is not your first language, and so your words are a little confusing to me. So, I must ask you if you agree that the actions of the Salafi jihadists are valid forms of Salafi practice. And that is okay for the jihadist to use obscene violence against enemies?

Salafists and jihadists in Islamic history Mu'tazila and pilgrims bin Abi Yusuf and Muawiya and Abu Bakr and Khalid bin Walid all of them represent true Islam
Islam is the real Salafists and jihadists
Because the thought produces actions
For this, the Islamic thought produces terrorists and Salafists and jihadists

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Hey Marcello,

Yours seems to be the "two wrongs make it right" argument? Really?

I've never defended Christianity, I think it's the 2nd worst religion in the world.

This attitude and I respect your attitude towards Christianity
Where he is free
But the frank dialogue may make you change your outlook this
It is possible to separate the issue of dialogue
I want to know an important fact
I do not preach Christianity
But I could offer my service humble you
And accept any stinging criticism against Christianity and in any manner it was
Accept my greetings and my respect for you

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I give the verse and the verses in the context, some preceding and some following to get the true understanding of the verse under Question:
[8:56]Surely, the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who are ungrateful. So they will not believe,
[8:57]Those with whom thou didst make a covenant; then they break their covenant every time, and they do not fear God.
[8:58]So, if thou catchest them in war, then by routing them strike fear in those that are behind them, that they may be admonished.
[8:59]And if thou fearest treachery from a people, throw back to them their covenant with equity. Surely, Allah loves not the treacherous.
[8:60]And let not those who disbelieve think that they have outstripped Us. Surely, they cannot frustrateGod’s purpose.
[8:61]And make ready for them whatever you can of armed force and of mounted pickets at the frontier, whereby you may frighten the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you know not, but Allah knows them. And whatever you spend in the way of Allah, it shall be repaid to you in full and you shall not be wronged.
[8:62]And if they incline towards peace, incline thou also towards it, and put thy trust in Allah. Surely, it is He Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
[8:63]And if they intend to deceive thee, then surely Allah is sufficient for thee. He it is Who has strengthened thee with His help and with the believers;
[8:64]And He has put affection between their hearts. If thou hadst expended all that is in the earth, thou couldst not have put affection between their hearts, but Allah has put affection between them. Surely, He is Mighty, Wise.
[8:65]O Prophet, Allah is sufficient for thee and for those who follow thee of the believers
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=8&verse=60
Now one should use the method to find the correct meaning as demonstrated by me in post #30 .
Regards

Verse clear
It is a call to terrorism and intimidation
It came down to General
And to the known physical laws
I say
That every action has a reaction equal to the amount and be his opposite in direction
This is a physical law
If Muslims are preparing fighting tools
It would be enemies to fight them
It's a private circle of violence
If you believe that violence is the best law in the life
Terrorism is the best way in this law
So here the Koran is not the peaceful call
It is right to fight other Muslims also
This is a healthy mind

 

[icehorse]

This attitude and I respect your attitude towards Christianity
Where he is free
But the frank dialogue may make you change your outlook this
It is possible to separate the issue of dialogue
I want to know an important fact
I do not preach Christianity
But I could offer my service humble you
And accept any stinging criticism against Christianity and in any manner it was
Accept my greetings and my respect for you

Hey mahasn,

I have always found your posts to be useful, thanks for that. If you want to debate some aspects of Christianity, I'll join you in a separate thread.

 

[Useless2015]

I understand every religious group has its hurdles.

Why does Islam have so many ties to terrorism, radicalism and extremism .?

I mean..
When was the last time anyone has heard of a Radical Jehova's witness??

"He rang the door bell six times instead of three ?"... "Nooooooooooooo!!!"

How many Jehova Witnesses have been killed by Western drones?

 

[Oldsoul]

How many Jehova Witnesses have been killed by Western drones?

Something tells me you have the urge to make a point..

 

[icehorse]

How many Jehova Witnesses have been killed by Western drones?

How many JWs kill each other over sectarian disputes?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

How many JWs kill each other over sectarian disputes?

I apologize, since it's a bit of a stupid response, but I just HAVE to ask the next JWs who knock on my door this question!!!

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Hey mahasn,

I have always found your posts to be useful, thanks for that. If you want to debate some aspects of Christianity, I'll join you in a separate thread.

thank you
In fact, I am not a specialist in Christian theology
But I I can make a simple form of Christianity
Any of the written texts
It is the main base of Christianity to learn

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Almighty God said: (books you dislike it, and it may be that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knows and you do not know) Cow 216.

This verse from the Koran
Fighting is of divine commands in the Koran
He wrote fighting ???
That is why in Islam in place of the globe produces terrorists
Do you think that teaching the Koran to fight lead to peace?

 

[Useless2015]

Something tells me you have the urge to make a point..

Can you answer the question? I already made my point, look how you and icehorse are reacting, trying to divert. Pretending terrorism comes out of the blue.

 

[Oldsoul]

Can you answer the question? I already made my point, look how you and icehorse are reacting, trying to divert. Pretending terrorism comes out of the blue.

Si that's your point?..
You are trying to defend or empathize why terrorist become terrorists?

So America's Drone program is responsible for terrorism or extremism ?

If this is where you're sailing..
Your in for a few surprises..

 

[Useless2015]

Si that's your point?..
You are trying to defend or empathize why terrorist become terrorists?

So America's Drone program is responsible for terrorism or extremism ?

If this is where you're sailing..
Your in for a few surprises..

No. America hasn't done anything wrong. I think killing a million people in Iraq alone is not wrong, sure it sounds horrible but America killed them so there are probably very good reasons!



America kills million people=debatable,accidents,collaterol damage
Arabs kill 20 white people= PURE EVIL, NO EXCUSE

 

[Oldsoul]

No. America hasn't done anything wrong. I think killing a million people in Iraq alone is not wrong, sure it sounds horrible but America killed them so there are probably very good reasons!



America kills million people=debatable,accidents,collaterol damage
Arabs kill 20 white people= PURE EVIL, NO EXCUSE

This is your answer as to reasons Islam is prone to extremism and radicalism?

 

[Useless2015]

This is your answer as to reasons Islam is prone to extremism and radicalism?

Where did i mention Islaam? Islaam has zero to do with terrorism. All i am saying is that it is completely natural to defend against oppression wether its from ISIS or America. You don't need religion to defend yourself and family against evil tyrants the like of Al Baghdadi,Obama, Hollande.