Islam vs western values

[ChristineM]

I think woman can have the same freedom. But, they are still more vulnerable than men. And I think family is better protector than government and I don't like how western world is becoming more and more communistic, where government seeks to be all knowing and all powerful controller of everything. Governments don't really care about people, they care only about own power and money.

The good thing in the property idea is, if person owns something, he takes care of it and doesn't want any harm for his property. I believe that is the reason why it was set like that earlier. It doesn't mean that women are then automatically treated badly. But, obviously it is possible. However, I don't think it is because of the system. Women are treated badly also in this modern western system. I think all evil actions comes from evil people. And no matter what is the system, the evil people would do evil actions anyway. That is why I think it would be important to teach people to love as Jesus taught.

The thing is property cannot do anything about mistreatment.

According to my research Jesus was a terrorist, not sure i would want to be taught to something like that.

 

[Aupmanyav]

That is why I think it would be important to teach people to love as Jesus taught.

Did not the other religions preach that?

 

[Kenny]

Well, you've just demonstrated that we can't choose our feelings, but we can choose our behaviours. As we've all been saying all this time.

I've demonstrated that if you have a feeling, you can change it to another feeling. We aren't mindless and powerless people.

 

[1213]

Did not the other religions preach that?

I don't think so. But, maybe I just don't know all. Do you think some other religion did that? Please tell one example, if you know such.

 

[1213]

According to my research Jesus was a terrorist

Who was terrorized by him? Everyone who hates other people and truth?

 

[ChristineM]

Who was terrorized by him? Everyone who hates other people and truth?

Truth is he was crucified. Crucifixion was a form of death reserved for slaves, terrorists and traitors to rome.

And for no other reason, Rome had several methods of execution depending on the crime committed

 

[Aupmanyav]

I don't think so. But, maybe I just don't know all. Do you think some other religion did that? Please tell one example, if you know such.

Hinduism:
"Ayam Nijah Paro Veti Ganana Laghucetasam, Udaracaritanam Tu Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam."
(Aup's translation: This is mine, that is of others, say the small-minded. For the large-hearted, the world itself is a family)

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Father Heathen]

I've demonstrated that if you have a feeling, you can change it to another feeling. We aren't mindless and powerless people.

Are there any foods you dislike? Why did you choose to dislike those foods? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply choose to like all foods?

 

[1213]

Truth is he was crucified. Crucifixion was a form of death reserved for slaves, terrorists and traitors to rome.

Yes, that doesn't mean Jesus was really a terrorist.

 

[1213]

Hinduism:
"Ayam Nijah Paro Veti Ganana Laghucetasam, Udaracaritanam Tu Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam."
(Aup's translation: This is mine, that is of others, say the small-minded. For the large-hearted, the world itself is a family)

Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Interesting, but sorry, I don't think that is the same.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, that doesn't mean Jesus was really a terrorist.

We know he wasn't a slave so traitor to rome or terrorist are the only options. I guess both.

 

[Kenny]

Are there any foods you dislike? Why did you choose to dislike those foods? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply choose to like all foods?

I disliked yogurt and now I love it.
I disliked black pepper and green pepper and now I enjoy them
I used to upchuck on the taste of fish and now I can't get enough of it...

You were saying?

 

[SkepticThinker]

For example not being alone with the man.

And how exactly is she supposed to do that when she shares a home with the guy?
Seriously, think this through a little more please.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Thanks. And I think the Biblical system offered more protection for women than the current western system, which is why I think it is not bad.

I think you've just helped us demonstrate that it doesn't.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I've demonstrated that if you have a feeling, you can change it to another feeling. We aren't mindless and powerless people.

No, you haven't. You've repeatedly mixed up feelings and behaviours as though they are the same thing.

 

[Father Heathen]

I disliked yogurt and now I love it.
I disliked black pepper and green pepper and now I enjoy them
I used to upchuck on the taste of fish and now I can't get enough of it...

You were saying?

Why did you choose to dislike them in the first place?

 

[Kenny]

No, you haven't. You've repeatedly mixed up feelings and behaviours as though they are the same thing.

I think they are connected and not sure why you think I am mixing it up. If I feel irritated and behaviorally act on the irritation - seems to me they are connected.

When I was young, I remember putting my hand on an item in the store and feeling like I would like to just take it without paying. If I had acted behaviorally on the feeling, I probably would have been caught. I through the feeling out and never tried that again. I got rid of the feeling. Kleptomaniacs have the powerful feelings of taking things. Am I to assume that you don't believe they should be charged with their behavioral response to their feelings?

 

[Kenny]

Why did you choose to dislike them in the first place?

You lost the point. The point was I "chose" to like them after -


sooooo... what were you saying? Or are you admitting that your example is erroneous?

 

[Father Heathen]

You lost the point. The point was I "chose" to like them after -


sooooo... what were you saying? Or are you admitting that your example is erroneous?

If your point is solid, then answering the question should be easy.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I think they are connected and not sure why you think I am mixing it up. If I feel irritated and behaviorally act on the irritation - seems to me they are connected.

Because you keep mixing them up, that's why.

You feel irritated. You cannot choose that. It just is.
What you can choose is how you react to that irritation. The type of behaviour you choose to carry out that irritation with. For example, you could decide to take it out on someone else who is in the room with you and yell at them. Or maybe if you're in your car, you decide to slam the gas pedal and take your irritation out on the road. Or you could choose to do nothing about it your irritation, and just carry on with your day.

When I was young, I remember putting my hand on an item in the store and feeling like I would like to just take it without paying. If I had acted behaviorally on the feeling, I probably would have been caught. I through the feeling out and never tried that again. I got rid of the feeling. Kleptomaniacs have the powerful feelings of taking things. Am I to assume that you don't believe they should be charged with their behavioral response to their feelings?

People should be held responsible for the behaviours/actions, rather than their thoughts. Because they are different things.