Islam vs western values

[England my lionheart]

There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

Can you give an example of Islamic values in the world today where it makes life better and does this include all Islamic values like those taught in the madrasses and the many different sects?.

 

[Kenny]

If your point is solid, then answering the question should be easy.

Altering the context is not allowed... that's called moving the goal post - seeing that I changed my "feelings" within your context means it is your statement that is wrong. Apparently hard to admit that.

Just review the context and the reply #716 I did what you said I should do - confirming my point.

 

[Kenny]

People should be held responsible for the behaviours/actions, rather than their thoughts. Because they are different things.

YES! We should be help responsible for our behaviors. Yes, thoughts are different - we should control our thoughts.

Let's think this through.

I person considers the thought of taking their life. They meditate more and more on the thought. Then the thought grows into imagining how they would take their life. Then it becomes such a strong imaginations that they are consumed by their thought... and then they do what they thought.

Example two. I person considers the thought of taking their life. Then they throw the thought out and don't meditate on it any more.

Result... life.

Because you keep mixing them up, that's why.

You feel irritated. You cannot choose that. It just is.
What you can choose is how you react to that irritation. The type of behaviour you choose to carry out that irritation with. For example, you could decide to take it out on someone else who is in the room with you and yell at them. Or maybe if you're in your car, you decide to slam the gas pedal and take your irritation out on the road. Or you could choose to do nothing about it your irritation, and just carry on with your day.

I'm irritated. Then I decide it isn't worth the irritation and I stop being irritated.

 

[Father Heathen]

Altering the context is not allowed... that's called moving the goal post - seeing that I changed my "feelings" within your context means it is your statement that is wrong. Apparently hard to admit that.

Just review the context and the reply #716 I did what you said I should do - confirming my point.

Uh huh, yeah, sure, okay, but anyway, why did you choose to dislike those foods in the first place?

 

[Kenny]

Uh huh, yeah, sure, okay, but anyway, why did you choose to dislike those foods in the first place?

You mean, why did I choose to change what I felt at the time?

Reminds me of my teenage friends who grabbed a glass of cocacola and put mustard, ketchup, pepper and I don't know what else... and when the pile of money got big enough I decided that I would like it and drunk it all up!

you were saying?

 

[Father Heathen]

You mean, why did I choose to change what I felt at the time?

Reminds me of my teenage friends who grabbed a glass of cocacola and put mustard, ketchup, pepper and I don't know what else... and when the pile of money got big enough I decided that I would like it and drunk it all up!

you were saying?

Fascinating, but anyway, why did you choose to not like certain foods before changing your mind later? Why didn't you choose to like them from the very beginning?

 

[1213]

And how exactly is she supposed to do that when she shares a home with the guy?
Seriously, think this through a little more please.

For example not sharing the home with the guy alone. But, as said before, I don't think the woman had to marry the man, if she didn't want that.

 

[1213]

We know he wasn't a slave so traitor to rome or terrorist are the only options. I guess both.

Or he was falsely accused and wrongly judged.

 

[ChristineM]

Or he was falsely accused and wrongly judged.

Possibly but doubtful.

 

[Nakosis]

Fascinating, but anyway, why did you choose to not like certain foods before changing your mind later? Why didn't you choose to like them from the very beginning?

Just answering for myself,
Usually a person doesn't choose their initial feelings. They are more of less program in by culture/experience maybe some genetics.
Just because we didn't choose are initial feelings doesn't mean we can't cause them to change later.

How do we cause this? By forcing the experience of something like food on ourselves. For example I initially didn't like the taste of beer. So I drank beer even though I didn't like the taste because I knew a lot of people who did like beer and I was willing to experiment. Now I like the taste of all beers because I've gotten used to the taste even crave it.

The more you choose to expose yourself to something, like food, the more acceptable it becomes to you. When you are young you don't make this choice, your parents do. So your likes/dislikes are not in your control. However when you get older, you can choices to alter your experiences consciously which then affect what you like and dislike.

 

[Kenny]

Fascinating, but anyway, why did you choose to not like certain foods before changing your mind later? Why didn't you choose to like them from the very beginning?

I hadn't trained my mind to like them. The mind is very powerful. You can even smoke and not like it and then love it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

I've demonstrated that if you have a feeling, you can change it to another feeling. We aren't mindless and powerless people.

Or

Not sure which is the better fit.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

There were many cultural values and systems in past that were lost in time but Islam always stood. all the western morality you are claiming right now might be seen as immoral in future because cultural values change over time and western values will fade away as well but Islam will always stand. in next hundred years you might not see western liberalism or feminism or whatever but i can gurantee you that Islamic values will remain in next thousand years as well because Islam never changes

Yeah it's called "moral progress".

It's why women today have a voice in society, why we don't keep slaves anymore, why homosexuals aren't prosecuted, etc.

It's also why islamic theocracies in the middle east are still medieval hellholes that whipe their buts with human right charters.

 

[SkepticThinker]

For example not sharing the home with the guy alone. But, as said before, I don't think the woman had to marry the man, if she didn't want that.

How is she supposed to do that?? Please think through the things you are saying more carefully.

 

[Kenny]

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Not sure which is the better fit.

Or maybe:

 

[Muffled]

Islam treats all subsets kindly?

I believe Islam has an unfriendly schism between Sunnis and Shiites as Christianity does between Roman Catholics and Protestants.