Islam will dominate!

[301ouncer]

Muslims dominate, Christians dominate, Buddhists dominate.
People will always be people and I don't believe it matters much.
To dominate Islam will have to change, I imagine a distinctly 'Western' Islam will emerge.
Nothing to be afraid of.

As usual I smell a good christian friend from a mile away. :yes:

If the un-informed only knows how christians and muslims, philosephers worked along side each other with their jewish scholars for the betterment of everyone in the system.

Sorry secularisim will have none of it. So intolerant and backward system it is.

 

[301ouncer]

I appreciate your attempt to point out my fallacy, however if you find any more please let me know as I hate to be ignorant

No worries my satanical distant brother. I will always try my best to correct your fallacy whenever I see them. Just do not overwhelm me. :yes:

 

[301ouncer]

Hatred is a natural emotion and to remove it would be denying ones self of their true feelings.

While you here my distant satanical brother. have a conversation and a debate with Jesus pbuh now please:

[FONT=&quot]"When he had prayed to the Lord, his disciples came to him and said: "O master, two things we would know; one is, how you talked with Satan, who nevertheless you say is impenitent; the other is, how God shall come to judge in the day of judgment.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]' Jesus replied: "Truly I say to you I had compassion on Satan, knowing his fall; and I had compassion on mankind whom he tempts to sin. Therefore I prayed and fasted to our God, who spoke to me by his angel Gabriel: "What seek you, O Jesus, and what is your request?" I answered: "Lord, you know of what evil Satan is the cause, and that through his temptations many perish; he is your creature, Lord, whom you did create; therefore, Lord, have mercy upon him."[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] God answered: "Jesus, behold I will pardon him. Only cause him to say, "Lord, my God, I have sinned, have mercy upon me," and I will pardon him and restore him to his first state." 'I rejoiced greatly," said Jesus, when I heard this, believing that I had made this peace. Therefore I called Satan, who came, saying: "What must I do for you, O Jesus?"I answered: "You shall do it for yourself, O Satan, for I love not your services, but for your good have I called you."
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[FONT=&quot]Satan replied: "If you desire not my services neither desire I yours; for I am nobler than you, therefore you are not worthy to serve me you who are clay, while I am spirit." "Let us leave this," I said, "and tell me if it were not well you should return to your first beauty and your first state.
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[FONT=&quot]You must know that the angel Michael must needs on the day of judgment strike you with the sword of God one hundred thousand times, and each blow will give you the pain of ten hells." Satan replied: "We shall see in that day who can do most; certainly I shall have on my side many angels and most potent idolaters who will trouble God, and he shall know how great a mistake he made to banish me for the sake of a vile [piece of ] clay." Then I said: "O Satan, you are infirm in mind, and know not what you say." [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Then Satan, in a derisive manner wagged his head, saying: "Come now, let us make up this peace between me and God; and what must be done say you, O Jesus, since you are sound in mind." I answered: "Two words only need be spoken." Satan replied: "What words?" I answered: "These: I have sinned; have mercy on me."[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Then Satan said: "Now willingly will I make this peace if God will say these words to me." "Now depart from me," I said, "O cursed one, for you are the wicked author of all injustice and sin, but God is just and without any sin." Satan departed shrieking, and said: "It is not so, O Jesus, but you tell a lie to please God." Now consider," said Jesus to his disciples, "how he will find mercy. They answered: "Never, Lord, because he is impenitent. Speak to us now of the judgment of God."[/FONT]

 

[301ouncer]

Why do you blame a secular system for everything?

Because it is the world's beacon of hope. Every lost soul will be looking for this beacon of hope to imitate.

Millions died so that man could stand up for his own opinion and you slander it like there's no tomorrow.

Millions died for many many reasons. Secularisim robbed the muslims and christains like a thief in the night.

I hope people like you stay out of my country if this is the way you think.

I hope people like you be welcome and generous hospitality will be given from both christians and muslim subjects in the lost golden state. As we respect our enemy but hate his system.

 

[The Enlightened One]

No worries my satanical distant brother. I will always try my best to correct your fallacy whenever I see them. Just do not overwhelm me. :yes:

I'll try not to but what can I say, it's in my nature

 

[The Enlightened One]

While you here my distant satanical brother. have a conversation and a debate with Jesus pbuh now please:

[FONT=&quot]"When he had prayed to the Lord, his disciples came to him and said: "O master, two things we would know; one is, how you talked with Satan, who nevertheless you say is impenitent; the other is, how God shall come to judge in the day of judgment.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]' Jesus replied: "Truly I say to you I had compassion on Satan, knowing his fall; and I had compassion on mankind whom he tempts to sin. Therefore I prayed and fasted to our God, who spoke to me by his angel Gabriel: "What seek you, O Jesus, and what is your request?" I answered: "Lord, you know of what evil Satan is the cause, and that through his temptations many perish; he is your creature, Lord, whom you did create; therefore, Lord, have mercy upon him."[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]God answered: "Jesus, behold I will pardon him. Only cause him to say, "Lord, my God, I have sinned, have mercy upon me," and I will pardon him and restore him to his first state." 'I rejoiced greatly," said Jesus, when I heard this, believing that I had made this peace. Therefore I called Satan, who came, saying: "What must I do for you, O Jesus?"I answered: "You shall do it for yourself, O Satan, for I love not your services, but for your good have I called you." [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]Satan replied: "If you desire not my services neither desire I yours; for I am nobler than you, therefore you are not worthy to serve me you who are clay, while I am spirit." "Let us leave this," I said, "and tell me if it were not well you should return to your first beauty and your first state. [/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]You must know that the angel Michael must needs on the day of judgment strike you with the sword of God one hundred thousand times, and each blow will give you the pain of ten hells." Satan replied: "We shall see in that day who can do most; certainly I shall have on my side many angels and most potent idolaters who will trouble God, and he shall know how great a mistake he made to banish me for the sake of a vile [piece of ] clay." Then I said: "O Satan, you are infirm in mind, and know not what you say." [/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Then Satan, in a derisive manner wagged his head, saying: "Come now, let us make up this peace between me and God; and what must be done say you, O Jesus, since you are sound in mind." I answered: "Two words only need be spoken." Satan replied: "What words?" I answered: "These: I have sinned; have mercy on me."[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]Then Satan said: "Now willingly will I make this peace if God will say these words to me." "Now depart from me," I said, "O cursed one, for you are the wicked author of all injustice and sin, but God is just and without any sin." Satan departed shrieking, and said: "It is not so, O Jesus, but you tell a lie to please God." Now consider," said Jesus to his disciples, "how he will find mercy. They answered: "Never, Lord, because he is impenitent. Speak to us now of the judgment of God."[/FONT]

Eh, I honestly have nothing to debate on this for I have no qualms about it

A good deliverance with an enigmatic package as even the wrapping paper can be reassembled to fit the needs of the one rather than please the wants of the many...

Walk with me for a distance as we both are sentient beings from a different philosophy but twined together by the same maker. Out of the harmony will come a song that will touch us both in the same place, no matter how myriad the interpretation and how different the source.

Now after walking with me do you feel how I carry you, just as you carry me, through the dunes of the unknown and the shores of dark deception? Together we shall glide through the boundless barrier walls, only to see that our feet hath never trully touched the ground.

Descend with me from the ascention, only to ascend again. Out of the turmoil shall come peace, each with our own redemption.

 

[Peacewise]

I do not think that dominating is worthwhile.

 

[darkendless]

Because it is the world's beacon of hope. Every lost soul will be looking for this beacon of hope to imitate.

Hope for equality between men and women and between ethnicities. I fail to see the drawback?

Millions died for many many reasons. Secularisim robbed the muslims and christains like a thief in the night..

Robbed you of what? Control?

I hope people like you be welcome and generous hospitality will be given from both christians and muslim subjects in the lost golden state. As we respect our enemy but hate his system.

Then stay out of secular countries and whine to people who are as irrational as you.

Secularism is equality. Why would you not want that? Whats so bad about equality?

 

[YmirGF]

Hope for equality between men and women and between ethnicities. I fail to see the drawback?

Silly wabbit, hope is for kids.

Robbed you of what? Control?

Reason, most likely.

Then stay out of secular countries and whine to people who are as irrational as you.

Better to keep thine enemies closer than ones friends, if the truth be told.

Secularism is equality. Why would you not want that? Whats so bad about equality?

It goes against the revelations of Muhammad. It's not about equality; it's about submission.

 

[gnostic]

It goes against the revelations of Muhammad. It's not about equality; it's about submission.

Some have to submit more than others.

Daughters have to submit to their father. Wife have to submit to their husband. Women in some Muslim communities have to cover their head, including their faces. And in some countries, they can't go unescorted. Their view is that men are stronger than women, so deserve more rights than women.

I would understand if a woman want to wear headscarf, but for government or bunch of archaic clerics to enforce a law, where women get "arrested" for not covering all or some part of their head, then you have to wonder what rights women really have in such society. They call it "protection"; I'd call this "oppression".

In a secular society, it doesn't dictate if a woman should or should not wear headscarves. The choice to wear one should be the women, and not some governments or clerics.

 

[Badran]

Some have to submit more than others.

Daughters have to submit to their father. Wife have to submit to their husband. Women in some Muslim communities have to cover their head, including their faces. And in some countries, they can't go unescorted. Their view is that men are stronger than women, so deserve more rights than women.

I would understand if a woman want to wear headscarf, but for government or bunch of archaic clerics to enforce a law, where women get "arrested" for not covering all or some part of their head, then you have to wonder what rights women really have in such society. They call it "protection"; I'd call this "oppression".

In a secular society, it doesn't dictate if a woman should or should not wear headscarves. The choice to wear one should be the women, and not some governments or clerics.

This is a perfect example to illustrate to you my point in the other thread. This is why we say things like true Islam, or the right teachings of Islam. There is not one verse in the Quran, and no Hadith that says we should arrest or oppress women to wear headscarfs. This is something completely up to them. Whilst, this is done under Islamic cover, they and we know that this is not part of Islam, and that it is just plain made up rules, to meet whatever need they accomplish or satisfy by doing this.

So, the point is there is indeed a lot of wrong practices done under the name of Islam. However, it has nothing to back it up in Islam's teachings. Aslo, some of it is condoned in the Quran and Hadiths.

 

[Wotan]

So your religion is a political tool. Used where useful to achieve political ends, opposed for the same reason in other contexts.


Interesting.


Where have we seen THIS before?

 

[LuisDantas]

Personally, I think that Islam has a lot of delicate political challenges ahead of it, mostly internal.

In that respect, it is indeed not so different from Christianity. I don't see that as a liability, but as a simple fact.

 

[301ouncer]

It is spelled atheism. And it is nothing to be feared.

To christians and muslims it is not as much as fear. The only entity we fear is that of the majistic creator.

To our good friend christians friends they found that they have been robbed of their way of life after it was too late.

Atheisim was the necleus charge required to initiate secularism. Now it is the turn of secularisim to pay with interest of 246 years back to athisim.

The Cast of usual suspects: Descartes, Newton, Darwin, and Freud:

Rene Descartes: The philosopher Descartes (1596-1650), is usually viewed as the thinker who ushers in the modern era. It is little surprise that as thinkers after Descartes followed his exaltation of human reason that they strayed further and further away from the truth of God.

Isaac Newton: Isaac Newton lived during the same era as Descartes. Newton exerted an immense influence on the development of modern science. He astounded Europeans with his development of the science of physics, especially through his discovery of the laws of gravity. At the time, Newton's discoveries seemed to "solve" most of the mysteries of the physical world. The whole universe appeared so orderly, so governed by laws, that it could be compared to a giant clock. Drawing on this image, many people after Newton adopted a novel and erroneous view of God.

Charles Darwin: Modern science developed under the illusion that its explanation of physical causes abolished the need to "bring God into the picture" in order to explain the mysteries of the universe. It was inevitable that this scientific "pride" would eventually lead to the philosophy of naturalism–the denial of God and the belief that the natural world, the world of matter, is all there is.

Sigmund Freud: From Darwin's theory that man descends from apes, it is but a small step to the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud.

Source: http://www.saint-mike.org/library/liberalism/challenge_secularism.html

The 4 missing links that I have been asked many times here why should link athisim to secularisim.

 

[301ouncer]

I'll try not to but what can I say, it's in my nature

At least (best you have done which many would not) accept their fallacy my satanical distant brother.

Also you said a fact in post no.836. .

Conclusion:

You are not all fallacy .

 

[301ouncer]

I still fail to see the blood stains

Since you are my satanical distant brother and not full of fallacies I would love to continue my discussion with you.

Hardly you fail to see the blood stains or hardly you fail to see the connection of the flawed backward secular system and its athistic roots?

My satanical distant brother if they make any divine law VOID then it will be replaced with a satanical mischief in the land. This would apply to any other divine laws. The secular system will reap some of the evil they permitted.

E.G. Permit wide WMD scale alcahol consumption and we end up with no end in sight satanical mischief spilling over other areas:

BBC News - Police chief blames alcohol for 14 murders
(The head of Scotland's biggest police force has said alcohol played a major role in 14 murders in his area in the past 10 weeks. )

E.G. Permit wide WMD scale promotion of sex and its multi-billion money industry and we end up with no end in sight satanical mischief spilling over other areas:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/10276711.stm
(Two men have been jailed for life after being found guilty of murdering a woman who was planning to report them for abusing a young boy.)

I hope now my satanical distant brother you will see the blood drench. Unless you find a fallacy of what I am saying then you welcome to correct me.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

To christians and muslims it is not as much as fear. The only entity we fear is that of the majistic creator.

To our good friend christians friends they found that they have been robbed of their way of life after it was too late.

Atheisim was the necleus charge required to initiate secularism. Now it is the turn of secularisim to pay with interest of 246 years back to athisim.

The Cast of usual suspects: Descartes, Newton, Darwin, and Freud:

Rene Descartes: The philosopher Descartes (1596-1650), is usually viewed as the thinker who ushers in the modern era. It is little surprise that as thinkers after Descartes followed his exaltation of human reason that they strayed further and further away from the truth of God.

Isaac Newton: Isaac Newton lived during the same era as Descartes. Newton exerted an immense influence on the development of modern science. He astounded Europeans with his development of the science of physics, especially through his discovery of the laws of gravity. At the time, Newton's discoveries seemed to "solve" most of the mysteries of the physical world. The whole universe appeared so orderly, so governed by laws, that it could be compared to a giant clock. Drawing on this image, many people after Newton adopted a novel and erroneous view of God.

Charles Darwin: Modern science developed under the illusion that its explanation of physical causes abolished the need to "bring God into the picture" in order to explain the mysteries of the universe. It was inevitable that this scientific "pride" would eventually lead to the philosophy of naturalism–the denial of God and the belief that the natural world, the world of matter, is all there is.

Sigmund Freud: From Darwin's theory that man descends from apes, it is but a small step to the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud.

The 4 missing links that I have been asked many times here why should link athisim to secularisim.

See:

The Cast of Characters: Descartes, Newton, Darwin, and Freud: ... [source]

Plagiarism is the unethical and deceitful methodology of an intellectual fraud.

 

[301ouncer]

Seelagiarism is the unethical and deceitful methodology of an intellectual fraud.

I have included the source and link (unless I missed out so thank you for including it in your post) so what is the problem with my source.

I hope you can rebuttle the content of my posts rather then false accusations.

Regards.

Edit. Thanks for heads up about the link which I just included in OP.

 

[Tiapan]

What a perversion of the word "truth". Since its basis is that in an infinite universe anything is possible therefore god must exist, with quotes like "you cannot prove all babies are not from Allahs will." Unfortunately for Fatihahaha and 301bouncer the same reasoning gives equal or greater probability that god does not exist, making the word "truth" meaningless, yet they both hang there hat on that 1960's band Blind Faith. It is good to see people so easily manipulated by social religio-bureaucracies, I am sure big business will find them easily manipulated consumers. No amount of commonsense could ever penetrate such closed minds. It amazes me that full grown adults, otherwise intelligent humans, actually believe these mythical religious childish fairytales.

Cheers

 

[The Enlightened One]

Since you are my satanical distant brother and not full of fallacies I would love to continue my discussion with you.

Hardly you fail to see the blood stains or hardly you fail to see the connection of the flawed backward secular system and its athistic roots?

My satanical distant brother if they make any divine law VOID then it will be replaced with a satanical mischief in the land. This would apply to any other divine laws. The secular system will reap some of the evil they permitted.

E.G. Permit wide WMD scale alcahol consumption and we end up with no end in sight satanical mischief spilling over other areas:

BBC News - Police chief blames alcohol for 14 murders
(The head of Scotland's biggest police force has said alcohol played a major role in 14 murders in his area in the past 10 weeks. )

E.G. Permit wide WMD scale promotion of sex and its multi-billion money industry and we end up with no end in sight satanical mischief spilling over other areas:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/10276711.stm
(Two men have been jailed for life after being found guilty of murdering a woman who was planning to report them for abusing a young boy.)

I hope now my satanical distant brother you will see the blood drench. Unless you find a fallacy of what I am saying then you welcome to correct me.

Indeed these happened in a secular nation however you can also find these in other, non-secular nations.

The only reason I am for secularity is because I don't quite like god being "pushed" my way but I can level with the ones who do. Perhaps if we had a government that took ALL dieties into account, or at least put an S in parentheses after the word god any time it is mentioned for the polytheists(It would essentially be "god(s)") as not everyone is monotheistic or athiest. If everybody got equal representation I would have absolutely no problem with a non-secular state as long as I am still able to have religious freedom.