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Islam will dominate!

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
You are crazy and ignorant.

I'm sorry but you are.

There is a great need to separate politics from religion, laws from religion, education from religion and science from religion.

I admired Muslim scientists who could separate what they discovered and learned, from what they believe.

One of these scientists is Abu 'l-Walid Muhammad ibn Ahmad ibn Rushd, or more better known as Ibn Rushd. Ibn Rushd is without doubt, religious, but he understood the idea of separating science from religion, long before T. H. Huxley actually separated science from theology. Ibn Rushd understood that science should be based on fact and evidences, and not be influenced by religious belief. It didn't affect his belief in Islamic teaching, but he was quite influential in the area of science.

The Qur'an, on the other hand, is useless as science textbook. The Qur'an may have value as spiritual guide, setting standard for morality and code of conduct, but explain nothing about nature and it prove nothing, hence it has no scientific values.

If you were to teach in science class that god created man out of clay, you would be laughed off as being a creationist, who is totally without logic and ignorant in science.

Can you prove that man were ever created out of clay?

It is the same thing with politics. A cleric may know his Qur'an, but it matter of governing, he is most likely a horrible leader. Leadership required more than reciting the Qur'an.

that was simple and was answered by my muslim brother in another thread you keep grass hopping and double posting.

Therefore your misguided comment of Quran being a useless scripture is totally false.

You don't even have a holy scripture to start with.

" If free nucleotides are combined in solution, they do not react at all. Therefore, many scientists have been searching for what types of activating groups and inorganic catalysts must have been involved in the polymer bonding process. Dr. Ferris, of Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, New York, has discovered one inorganic material which facilitates this reaction: montmorillonite clay. The particular structure of this clay serves to provide a medium in which the individual activated RNA units combine to form larger chains.5 "

Segment 2 - Clay and the Origins of Life
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
They do? How? To my knowledge mini-skirts do not even have penises.

Ofcourse mini-skirts dont rape. But do not help. Uncovered meat will cause the beasts to gather to devour.

There was a BBC report that I was liestning to on the world service which its study found out that the majority of rape in civilised peacefull secular states was casued after the rapiests were indulged in prolonged periods of viewing hard core adult films.

It is just all of it comes together from alchahol, WMD sex, No divine conciouse, to too much revealing secular dress code, when all or any of these combinations come toghether and we have a dwarfing darkness and total backward civilised social conduct.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Freedom of religion is not the same thing as freedom from religion. It would be nice if I didn't have to be bombarded by seclularized bastardizations of the truth but that will not happen outside of a religious community and even within there are those who have misconstrued the truth.

All you can hope for is that your convictions can stand up in the light of day.

2nd example of yet another good christian friend who is not blinded by the mischief secularisim has caused their way of life.

Secularisim indeed robbed them of their way of life like a thief in the night.

But the good news is they coming back slowly and hope this come back has not been just a bit too late.
 

MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Ofcourse mini-skirts dont rape. But do not help. Uncovered meat will cause the beasts to gather to devour.


Sorry to tell you this but after knowing victims of rape including joggers and boys, I think your conclusion is BS.

You are going to far my friend.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Sorry to tell you this but after knowing victims of rape including joggers and boys, I think your conclusion is BS.

Maybe I am talking none-sense here but my openion and I am entitled to it like everybody else.

You are going to far my friend.

Why too far? When muslim woman rights been trashed and have recieved the rough end of the stick here and elsewhere in this site is not too far but when I make a small comment on the conditions of woman in secular states it was questioned and challanged becomes too far.

I have not even started on the secular conditions and treatment of woman. If I do you probably have me reported to some higher state authority.

Trust me you do not even want to know or make me do. You will hate me for it forever.
 
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MissAlice

Well-Known Member
Maybe I am talking none-sense here but my openion and I am entitled to it like everybody else.

I understand when it comes to opinions but not when it comes to rape. It's as if, and excuse me for saying this but like you are excusing the rapist for the "victim's crime!." I hear this so much and I get sick and tired of it.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
JazakAllaah khayr brother.I do not have much to share,I am here to learn at most.:)

Wyiakum my beloved brother. Do not say that my young brother. Even a man in his mid 30's would learn some wisdom from the young. You have younger brain and can soak up knowledge much quicker. :D
 

Rookie

A Muslim
Wyiakum my beloved brother. Do not say that my young brother. Even a man in his mid 30's would learn some wisdom from the young. You have younger brain and can soak up knowledge much quicker. :D
You are saying the truth akhee,I will hopefully get something beneficial from joining this forum.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
I understand when it comes to opinions but not when it comes to rape. It's as if, and excuse me for saying this but like you are excusing the rapist for the "victim's crime!." I hear this so much and I get sick and tired of it.

My sincere apology but I did not mean to attack the victim and I have never done so. I actually care alot for the nonmuslims that is why I say it and inform the others of it.

If I did not care for my fellow human beings I would kept silence and this is an abominable thing to do in islam even if it is much hated by the populas.

I also care much about the nonmuslim mothers who have to jossle between two jobs or both partners go to work just to cover their house down payment and the dark capitalisim bankrupt system, while their newly born baby handed over within 6 months after his birth to strangers in pre schools.
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
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I understand when it comes to opinions

Ok let me ask your opinion of this please:

does secular system woman dress code bring the wrong type of attention and the wrong type of men?

Isn't this dress code oppressive to these woman? As they have to compet with other (woman jelousy) to have who be the most revealing to hook up with some man that she hopes to care for her and look after her?

Isn't this dress code make the husband of other decent woman go astray and end up in extra-marital affaris that ruin the whole family including the childeren?

These fatherless childeren have no fatherly guidance and end up doing these dwarfing secular crimes?

And do remember all started from this secular system woman dress code which caused woman and number of families ruined?

And then you have teenage daughters from this same ruined family after no fault of their own fall into this same secular beacon of hope and its trap and get impragnated by under age boys and end up teenage mothers with no fatherly support?

Thereafter when all the dust is settled the state will have to pick up the tap for the social support of these ruined family and their childeren.

A family that is ruined by this dress code is OPPRESSION to me.

A state that forced to pick up the tap by this same dress code they themselves permitted is total HYPOCRACY to me.

I awaite your openion miss Alice.
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
301ouncer said:
does secular system woman dress code bring the wrong type of attention and the wrong type of men?

There are no such thing as "secular system woman dress code". What do the secular system have to do with women fashion, you twit? :foot:

There's no secular law governing what a woman should or should not wear. Sorry, but the ignorance is absolutely staggering! :eek:
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
There are no such thing as "secular system woman dress code". What do the secular system have to do with women fashion, you twit?

You called me twice ignorant without any justification. I will make it the third and call you ignorant with compelet justification. :D
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Then if you are not ignorant, then show me a secular law that say a woman should wear what out in public. Show me a law that women have to wear mini-skirt or go out in public their underwear. There's no such law or secular system, then I will eat my words.

Do you live in a country with secular government and law? Do they have a law or government policy that say a woman has to wear mini-skirt?

If you are not a woman then it is really none of your damn business what a woman wear. If a woman chooses to wear a headscarf for fashion reason or, cultural or religious reason, or not to wear it all, then it is none of your business nor mine. Oppression come from government or religion tried to enforce with oppressive law on what a woman should or should not wear, and I only see such oppression on women from Muslim-populated countries.

And what have you done? You make bl#@dy excuses for rapists that the victims are to blame.

301ouncer said:
Ofcourse mini-skirts dont rape. But do not help. Uncovered meat will cause the beasts to gather to devour.

It is typical Muslim excuses to blame women for rape, instead of the rapists. Only a sick person would call a woman "meat".

Are you saying that rapes never occurred with Muslim women covered up? Or are you saying that no Muslim men ever rape women?
 
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Peacewise

Active Member
The man who would commit rape of a mini skirt wearing woman is likely to be the kind of man who would also rape a covered woman, all the mini skirt did was make it just that bit easier for the rapist to get violently aroused and commit the act, the skirt highlighted to the rapist what was already on his mind, either sub consciously or consciously.

The opposite is true, a man who would never rape sees the mini skirt wearing woman and his mind is focussed on acting appropriately respectfully and he will do so.

A rapist is weak in themselves, they cannot control themselves and do not realize that when they rape they are committing an evil upon the victim AND themselves. One of their weaknesses is that they think they are powerful, yet truly their actions reveal their weakness.

Now it is truth that there are rapists in society and covering up is one pragmatic way for women to not highlight to that weak man his weakness and hence the covering up makes it less likely that rape will occur in that one instance.
It's not fair, it's not right, it shouldn't be this way, but pragmatically it is just truth that some are so pathetically weak that they cannot contain themselves from this horrendous act.

If I may...
There is a recovering heroin addict who always used to shoot up whilst watching Star Trek. Would it be kind to place that recovering addict in a room, sit them down in front of a Star Trek movie and put all the implements needed for shooting heroin right next to them. Sure they might be strong enough to fully recover, but their weakness and temptation may also overwhelm them.

This seems to me the concept that 301 is discussing, with the terminology of 'meat on display'. Incidentally I find that phrase disgusting and it reveals that I would never be a rapist for despising the term itself reveals that one does not think this way and hence would not do that act, whilst someone who does think "meat on display" is the one who might be tempted to commit the act, for the degrading of woman to meat has already occurred. This of course assumes that "meat" has a negative connotation, which to me in this context it certainly does.

Seems to me a case of where teaching to boys or men, that women who show their bodies are "meat on display" is counterproductive to the concept of being strong, for the lesson should not end with, they are "meat on display" but should end with "do not act on your temptation if your temptation is rape" or better yet "whatever she wears treat her with respect" or "Always treat her with respect".

Whilst likewise covering up the women to reduce temptation also gives the boys and men little or no opportunity to practice being strong for they are assumed to already be weak. Very counter productive in my opinion.

Where the attitude of "meat on display" allows others to feel that the victim got what she deserved when raped, this in my opinion is another horrendous act for it affirms that the mans' weakness is ok and hence makes that weakness ingrained in the rapist AND others, which is another disgustingly counter productive social outcome of the concept in my opinion.
 
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