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Islam will dominate!

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Then if you are not ignorant, then show me a secular law that say a woman should wear what out in public. Show me a law that women have to wear mini-skirt or go out in public their underwear. There's no such law or secular system, then I will eat my words.

I really do not have much time to visit the local city hall to go through all the pages in the mandate of secular systems laws.

I make it easy for myself here: Fashion - - WOMENS EVERYTHING

If it was not permitted then it would be liable to offences and fines.

Dont mention the publicly orgnised nudity events. Compelet nudity will get you a slap on the hand but nothing more. Mass nudity events are also exempt from any offences or fines as they are labled "Publicly orgnised events".

And what have you done? You make bl#@dy excuses for rapists that the victims are to blame.

Dont try to use my down to earth personality and my apology and be selective as to what I apologies to kick some hype as muslims condone rape.

I only apologised to the misunderstanding that Alice had in that she thought that I blamed the rape vicitim which I never did.

As for the uncovered meat I will never apologies nor for the beasts. It clearly with my own eyes have seen what sort of men it draws to the unaware woman/girls.

It is typical Muslim excuses to blame women for rape, instead of the rapists. Only a sick person would call a woman "meat".

Again. I did not say any such things. You are putting words in my mouth to kick a hate frenzy against muslims just becuause you have nothing to reply to me as to the sensiblity of this secular system?

Are you saying that rapes never occurred with Muslim women covered up? Or are you saying that no Muslim men ever rape women?

Not according to the global statics that I have here. the highest rape per capita is in secular system run states. Secular muslim states are only followers of the top 5 and it is very much understandable.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
Not according to the global statics that I have here. the highest rape per capita is in secular system run states. Secular muslim states are only followers of the top 5 and it is very much understandable.
Statistics are meaningless of some countries does not provide good ones.
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
I think this dude is just yankin' our chain. Forgive my cynicism, but I just don't think anybody is this stupid and backward.
People can be that way. But there is something in the words that are used that just does not seem very... sincere.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
The man who would commit rape of a mini skirt wearing woman is likely to be the kind of man who would also rape a covered woman, all the mini skirt did was make it just that bit easier for the rapist to get violently aroused and commit the act, the skirt highlighted to the rapist what was already on his mind, either sub consciously or consciously.

Yes. I think this is the logic used by my good scandanvian friend. Have you heard of the mass selling of date rape drugs? or Spiked drinks?

Again I am not talking about rape but the sort of beastly men it draws. Here he is so gentle, so civil, offers a drink. she think ah such a gentleman. But make sure not to turn head round as he just spiked the drink with a pill. Next this woman is in a hotel dazed and confused and naked.

She is sick and vohmeting from her discust as to what has just happened.

Remember it all started from that mini/micro skirt plus secular system promotion of free mixing.

The opposite is true, a man who would never rape sees the mini skirt wearing woman and his mind is focussed on acting appropriately respectfully and he will do so.

Yes good logical reasoning here. Ofcourse modest clothing is just a preventive measure and security. It does not nessecarly mean that it will keep every evil away but just an added protection.

That is why the islamic system and christianity promote this modest clothing as the majistic creator is all knowin most wise.

A rapist is weak in themselves, they cannot control themselves and do not realize that when they rape they are committing an evil upon the victim AND themselves. One of their weaknesses is that they think they are powerful, yet truly their actions reveal their weakness.

They are the weakest of all creation and the sickest. But it is their fault or is it the fault of the system that promotes a billion money Sex industry that makes them after prolonged times of watching and programming. After this watching and programming all is on their mind is how to satisfy their desire.

Now it is truth that there are rapists in society and covering up is one pragmatic way for women to not highlight to that weak man his weakness and hence the covering up makes it less likely that rape will occur in that one instance.
It's not fair, it's not right, it shouldn't be this way, but pragmatically it is just truth that some are so pathetically weak that they cannot contain themselves from this horrendous act.

Again well said. The islamic system gives this extra protection so does christinaity. Each advocate the modest dress code. Both christinity and islam and if you pay attention cover their hair and their beutified ornements.

If I may...
There is a recovering heroin addict who always used to shoot up whilst watching Star Trek. Would it be kind to place that recovering addict in a room, sit them down in front of a Star Trek movie and put all the implements needed for shooting heroin right next to them. Sure they might be strong enough to fully recover, but their weakness and temptation may also overwhelm them.

Yes your right. It is called sex addiction. But only these men know that this backward secular system is their cause of their illness.

As I adhere to the islamic system. Some men just love sex more then others. Therefore 1.2.3 or wives is not a bad idea if they can afford it and these woman are happy with such arrangements.

This seems to me the concept that 301 is discussing, with the terminology of 'meat on display'. Incidentally I find that phrase disgusting and it reveals that I would never be a rapist for despising the term itself reveals that one does not think this way and hence would not do that act, whilst someone who does think "meat on display" is the one who might be tempted to commit the act, for the degrading of woman to meat has already occurred. This of course assumes that "meat" has a negative connotation, which to me in this context it certainly does.

It is not me who did the degrading nor the use of this disgusting phrase but it is the secular system that forced this onto its own subjects. Actually it is the secular system that said it with their own doing.

Seems to me a case of where teaching to boys or men, that women who show their bodies are "meat on display" is counterproductive to the concept of being strong, for the lesson should not end with, they are "meat on display" but should end with "do not act on your temptation if your temptation is rape" or better yet "whatever she wears treat her with respect" or "Always treat her with respect".

Try telling that to secular educational system and you will find it very hard. therefore it is a lost battle.

Whilst likewise covering up the women to reduce temptation also gives the boys and men little or no opportunity to practice being strong for they are assumed to already be weak. Very counter productive in my opinion.

Actually it does give a sign a strong sign that I am not here on earth for one thing. Whether you are strong or weak I dont care.

Where the attitude of "meat on display" allows others to feel that the victim got what she deserved when raped, this in my opinion is another horrendous act for it affirms that the mans' weakness is ok and hence makes that weakness ingrained in the rapist AND others, which is another disgustingly counter productive social outcome of the concept in my opinion.

I did not say that the rape victim is the sole reason. All I said it does not help and you have also confirmed it by your 3 first paragraphs.

Therefore the secular system dress code is the most oppressive to woman's intellegence, intelect and overall behaviour of being seen as a respectable wife, daughter and sister.

Therefore the secular system dress code is the most oppressive to woman's honour.
 
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YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
I think this dude is just yankin' our chain. Forgive my cynicism, but I just don't think anybody is this stupid and backward.
That is what I am wondering too. My thinking is that it's just a cheap baiting tactic, but alas, his posts are almost always fairly superficial, so there is a pattern.

There is also a recent fatwa from a Saudi "scholar" that directly supports much of what he is saying. My guess is that he is just redistributing that jaundiced viewpoint.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
That is what I am wondering too. My thinking is that it's just a cheap baiting tactic, but alas, his posts are almost always fairly superficial, so there is a pattern.

So once I have a reasonable and challanging questions of the fruits of this secular system all of a sudden I become cheap baiting?

Intellectual bankruptcy on your part most probable but never a baiting tactic.

Everyone has the right to question the systems of this world. I have just as much right as the nonmuslim.

There is also a recent fatwa from a Saudi "scholar" that directly supports much of what he is saying. My guess is that he is just redistributing that jaundiced viewpoint.

I have no idea nor do I care of alot of Saudi ignorance.
 

I.S.L.A.M617

Illuminatus
Dont mention the publicly orgnised nudity events. Compelet nudity will get you a slap on the hand but nothing more. Mass nudity events are also exempt from any offences or fines as they are labled "Publicly orgnised events".


And who exactly is this hurting?
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Do you think they are evil? Do they pillage, burn and loot often like your typical, evil secularists? Do they like to oppress religious people? Have they grown fangs yet?

:bat::bat::bat:

I am scared. I am frightened. I am all alone oh batman. Please rid the world of this darkness.

Secularists: I knew them ALL THEY would not go down without a fight. but this is different. They crossed the line. They gone too far.

ME: You crossed the line first. You squzeed him. You hamered him to the point of the desperation. And in their despreation they turned to a man they did not fully understand.

ME: SOME MEN ARE NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING LOGICAL. MONEY they CAN NOT BE BULLIED, BOUGHT, REASONED or NEGOTIATED WITH. Some men/secularists just want to watch the world burn.

Secularists: People will die. STARTING TONIGHT, I AM A man of my WORD. Muwhahahhah.

[youtube]lyL7qR7IRCI[/youtube]
YouTube - Some men just want to watch the world burn [HD]

Oh, People will die tonight? forget it let me go grab my mini/micro skirt. :D
 

Kerr

Well-Known Member
I am scared. I am frightened. I am all alone oh batman. Please rid the world of this darkness.

Secularists: I knew them ALL THEY would not go down without a fight. but this is different. They crossed the line. They gone too far.

ME: You crossed the line first. You squzeed him. You hamered him to the point of the desperation. And in their despreation they turned to a man they did not fully understand.

ME: SOME MEN ARE NOT LOOKING FOR ANYTHING LOGICAL. MONEY they CAN NOT BE BULLIED, BOUGHT, REASONED or NEGOTIATED WITH. Some men/secularists just want to watch the world burn.

Secularists: People will die. STARTING TONIGHT, I AM A man of my WORD. Muwhahahhah.

[youtube]lyL7qR7IRCI[/youtube]
YouTube - Some men just want to watch the world burn [HD]

Oh, People will die tonight? forget it let me go grab my mini/micro skirt. :D
It is posts like this that makes me more and more convinced you aren´t sincere.
 

dust1n

Zindīq
It is so oppressive that men do not even look at how intellegent or intellectual/Would make a good mother, etc but more so how slim those legs look in a micro skirt or how fake tanned they are. Do not let me go higher above and the high increase of plastic breast implants and bottom implants.

Actually... intelligence trumps anything else I look for in women. The mother thing is irrelevant though; I don't want children.
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Yep we had the head Islamic honcho here in Oz, spouting the same disgusting poisonous vitriol. Justifying the massively disproportionally large occurrence of sickening pack rapes committed by Muslim youths compared to the general secular population.

Is This is going to be yet another burned out and charad bodies of muslim babies :sad4: turn into Creator Knows What?

Source Please if you are truthfull? :sorry1:

I guess you are spouting hatefull propaganda without any proofs :sad4: Just because you have no response to my claim of the flawed and intellectually bankrupt system. :no:

This is not unique to Australia but this disgusting phenomena is also documented in many European countries. eg Sweden.

Cheers

Go ahead make my day bring me your source of this phenomena that is documented in many european countries e.g Sweden. :eek:

Dont Bother As I have already exposed this blond swedish made up articals :D. Cheap sources that are not:

" Not adherents of any body of editorial governance and ethical practises."

Basically what that means is that they are as dishonest as you are. :yes:

There you go saddly your credibility gone before even posting anything. :D
 
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gnostic

The Lost One
301ouncer said:
Dont blame it all on muslims as my good christians and jewish friends are just as fed up of this imoral dress code.

It is so oppressive that men do not even look at how intellegent or intellectual/Would make a good mother, etc but more so how slim those legs look in a micro skirt or how fake tanned they are. Do not let me go higher above and the high increase of plastic breast implants and bottom implants.

It is getting sicker and darker by the hour.

But you don't seem to understand how a woman dress has absolutely nothing to do with secularism. No where does secularism dictate what women wear.

And more importantly, rapes have nothing to with secularism. Rapes have been going on for millennium, and it happen in Islamic societies as well as secular societies. Gang rapes goes on Pakistan and Afghanistan, approved by Muslim village elders, so-called Islamic clerics and so-called Sharia law courts. These so-called Islamic clerics blaming western media and human right groups for exposing the flaws in community and country's law.

You can't blame secularism for the raping going on. Secularism only required the separation of state and religion, but it doesn't dictate government's policies, codes of conducts, criminal law. Until you understand this, you are making complete fool of yourself and showing your complete ignorance on the subject.
 
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Luminous

non-existential luminary
On that note, you are being unreasonable by disliking anybody also...
I view hate as being on the far end of the spectrum as dis-like. It's not unreasonable to dislike something, so what makes it unreasonable to extremely dislike(hate, as I myself see it) something?

Honestly, there is only a select few people that I trully hate; and trust me, it is definately reasoned. I think you misinterpret my concept of hate.

I agree with you that maybe I shouldn't have went as far as using the term hate in my post, but I see it as alot better than to dislike an entire group of people just because they are muslim. I have many muslim friends myself so I can level with you here.

Thank you, trully(no sarcasm here, sorry if it sounds like it), for sharing with me your point of view as I respect it just as much as I do my own.

I recall some wise words from my past:
we hate those who have what we have but wish to deny.
in essence, hate is hypocracy.
 

Peacewise

Active Member
The people within the secular educational system that I am in has respect for individuals as a core principal. I'm in that system and I coach respect every session, I seek to evoke respect every session and I reward respect every session as does every other teacher, coach, or staff member I've spoken with.

What is more oppressive than the dress fashions of the secular system is that people do not believe the woman when she says "i was raped" and instead the rapist hires a lawyer who says "look at how she dresses" and calls into doubt the victims character when she is at her most vulnerable. In my opinion it is the legal system, in the case of rape, that is nearly the most oppressive thing to rape victims and women... with the rape act itself of course by far the most oppressive component of this situation, hence in my opinion the dress code falls a distant third (if not even further behind other considerations).

Certainly sexualizing and objectifying the woman contributes to a risk of rape, yet the most significant contributer in my opinion is that the man is weak and placing ANY blame upon the victim allows the man to be weak, it reinforces his weakness - validating it, giving the rapist a rationalization and since he is weak he grabs onto that rationalization.

One cannot be strong and disciplined without overcoming temptation.

Now I'm sure you are against rape, it's quite obvious that you are, 301.
So i've a question.
What happens to Muslim women who are raped? What is the process that they must go through to prove a rape? What are the consequences she faces when she reports the rape?
 

301ouncer

Well-Known Member
Now I'm sure you are against rape, it's quite obvious that you are, 301.
So i've a question.
What happens to Muslim women who are raped? What is the process that they must go through to prove a rape? What are the consequences she faces when she reports the rape?

Thank you for your strong explanations above.

I have linked this here as it really will explain it much better then i would ever be able to do:

Islam Question and Answer - Ruling on the crime of rape

Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit this crime. Western studies have shown that most rapists are already criminals who commit their crimes under the influence of alcohol and drugs, and they take advantage of the fact that their victims are walking alone in isolated places, or staying in the house alone. These studies also show that what the criminals watch on the media and the semi-naked styles of dress in which women go out, also lead to the commission of this reprehensible crime.

The laws of Islam came to protect women's honour and modesty. Islam forbids women to wear clothes that are not modest and to travel without a mahram; it forbids a woman to shake hands with a non-mahram man. Islam encourages young men and women to marry early, and many other rulings which close the door to rape. Hence it comes as no surprise when we hear or read that most of these crimes occur in permissive societies which are looked up to by some Muslims as examples of civilization and refinement! In America – for example – International Amnesty stated in a 2004 report entitled “Stop Violence Against Women” that every 90 seconds a woman was raped during that year. What kind of life are these people living? What refinement and civilization do they want the Muslim women to take part in?

The punishment for rape in Islam is same as the punishment for zina, which is stoning if the perpetrator is married, and one hundred lashes and banishment for one year if he is not married.

Some scholars also say that he is required to pay a mahr to the woman.
Imam Maalik (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

In our view the man who rapes a woman, whether she is a virgin or not, if she is a free woman he must pay a “dowry” like that of her peers, and if she is a slave he must pay whatever has been detracted from her value. The punishment is to be carried out on the rapist and there is no punishment for the woman who has been raped, whatever the case. End quote.

Secondly:
The rapist is subject to the hadd punishment for zina (Adultry Stonning to death), even if the rape was not carried out at knife-point or gun-point. If the use of a weapon was threatened, then he is a muhaarib (At war with Allah swt and his Apostle).
 
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301ouncer

Well-Known Member
But you don't seem to understand how a woman dress has absolutely nothing to do with secularism. No where does secularism dictate what women wear.

You can't blame secularism for the raping going on. Secularism only required the separation of state and religion, but it doesn't dictate government's policies, codes of conducts, criminal law. Until you understand this, you are making complete fool of yourself and showing your complete ignorance on the subject.

Yes it does have everything to do with secular system unless you bring a proof of your constitution which says it is an offence to wear micro skirt?

I do not have to bring no proofs as it is the reality on the ground.

The only person you are trying to lie to is yourself here and your comrads.

Try to be truthfull on yourself first before anyone else. Try it. It is really liberating. ;)
 

dust1n

Zindīq
Yes it does have everything to do with secular system unless you bring a proof of your constitution which says it is an offence to wear micro skirt?

The constitution has nothing to do with clothing for women. It is not an offense to wear a micro skirt. That's why the constitution had nothing to do with clothing.
 
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