Islam will dominate!

[DavyCrocket2003]

Does secularisim promote dishonesty and lies?

(Disclaimer: maybe our definitions of secularism are different)
No. Secularism does not "promote" anything. People living in a secular society promote things. Among things they promoter is love, peace, and faith. There are also those who promote hate, violence, and fear. That is why it is important to be one of the voices that uplifts and not one of the voices that are destroying. Which one are you? Which one is each of us?

 

[Kerr]

It was claimed by your dishonest comrad.

Just as this claim of this dishonest iraq dossier:

BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Inquiry calls over Iraq dossier

Does secularisim promote dishonesty and lies?

Out.

So... you post a random link that has nothing to do with anything in order to prove your point?

 

[The_Evelyonian]

So... you post a random link that has nothing to do with anything in order to prove your point?

Yeah, it's a habit of his.

 

[301ouncer]

It gets cold, even in florida...it gets cold.

It get really hot in free mixing secular nightclubs. I remember very well how they used to increase the temperature of the dance floor to have the woman/girls take off access cloths. Also to make the punters buy as much drinks as possible to qounch their thrist.

Maximise profits.

Not to mention the sales of exctsy, spike drugs and date rape drugs all in the name of persuit of happiness.

I never remember ever seen such evil hotspots in either christendom nor the caliphate state?

 

[301ouncer]

those systems were dirty and rotten and people would die before they got too old.

From the judicial, social, economic and financial and secular forgin police is rotten. Even the animls and the enviornment is not safe any longer.

but i agree,

Thank you and if only the rest of the world both christians and muslims agree too.

the abuse of the elderly is a problem and should be stopped. I as a person that believes and enjoys a secular system only wish that those people who live within our system would care more for their families. As to whether i should force them to...that i do not agree.

You have no power to change anything. Only yourself and the people around you that you care for.

This is the extereme intolerance of allowing any change and the total stripping of any power that you could muster. We all are slaves.

What is coming will make sure and make you know that we are slaves. Be paitiant.

 

[301ouncer]

Exactly. Just because they are Muslim doesn't mean Islam compelled them to commit such an indecent action. Nor does secularism lead to rape. It is just people's actions. It has nothing to do with the way people dress or what people believe.

They are neither christian nor muslims. They are astray secular and Creator denying from their ways of life.

Secularism lead to many things and for sure in the case of its dress code as my good christian friend peacewise similarly said: " it brings out the wrong type of attention and men".

Only the luckiest of the luckiest would end with a father and husband caring material.

Why leave it to chances?

 

[301ouncer]

Do I hear "No true Scotmans" fallacy?

The fallacy should squarely and justifiably so, fall on:

1. Fallacy of secular economics and finance:

BBC NEWS | Business | Futures, options and swaps

2. Fallacy of Capitalisim:

BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | Nike admits abuse at Indonesian plants

3. Fallacy of animal rights:

BBC News | UK | Animal cruelty on the increase

4. Fallacy of Enviromental issues:

BBC News - Gulf spill: BP reveals oil spill probe details

5. Fallacy of Forign Policies:

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | What the Papers say - A failure of intelligence

6. Fallacy of Social cohesion and fabric:

BBC World Service - News - Is Britain broken?

and on and on and on with no end in sight.

 

[YmirGF]

301, if this is the post you are referring to, gnostic said "do search on the gang leader's name, Bilal Skaf, and on the imam's name....".

So, he didn't say gang preacher, or suggested anything like that, i think you just misunderstood. His point was of what the imam said as a justification for the rapists.

The point of this wasn't to show a crime done by muslims, it was done 10 years ago, he could have found something newer if he wanted to do that. The point was the lame things that imam said to justify the crime, by blaming it on the woman.

Nice to see that you have your eye on the ball. The same cannot be said for 301... because that would disturb his jaundiced views.

 

[YmirGF]

The fallacy should squarely and justifiably so, fall on:

1. Fallacy of secular economics and finance:

BBC NEWS | Business | Futures, options and swaps

2. Fallacy of Capitalisim:

BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | Nike admits abuse at Indonesian plants

3. Fallacy of animal rights:

BBC News | UK | Animal cruelty on the increase

4. Fallacy of Enviromental issues:

BBC News - Gulf spill: BP reveals oil spill probe details

5. Fallacy of Forign Policies:

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | What the Papers say - A failure of intelligence

6. Fallacy of Social cohesion and fabric:

BBC World Service - News - Is Britain broken?

and on and on and on with no end in sight.

Personally speaking, I have not given the BBC much credit for a few years now... not since they have been overtaken by "Leftards".

 

[darkendless]

This is yet another proof of resorting to use such dishonest tactics to save a face.

Including Muslim = Lie and dishonesty. It should have been said "some lebanese Secular youths".

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YouTube - Lebanese Gang Video News Report Sydney

This is really an insult to islam but very much so of the compelet picture of secular australian youth, rap, bad language, gang, hollywood, crack pot somke, girls in mini skirts and fast cars.

I am really not buying it. Christanity and islam has nothing to do with vile and sick system.

All pointers to australia social fabric. reasonable and understandable.

You're full of it. If they were Christians you'd say they were christians. But because they're muslims, and you can't face the fact that not all muslims are good, you claim they're not muslims. Its weak, stop palming the blame off.

This has nothing to do with secularism. The secularists wanted these kids bollocks on a plate.

It was no lie. The report said they were muslims. There is no dishonesty. The only dishonesty is your inability to comprehend anything. Why do even speak about the secular world when its obvious you havn't got a clue?

As a secular youth (sort of, im 20) in Australia i can tell you that you are offensive, out of line, ignorant, arrogant and should be quite apologetic considering how many honest, hard working youth's you just insulted.

 

[tumbleweed41]

The fallacy should squarely and justifiably so, fall on:

1. Fallacy of secular economics and finance:

BBC NEWS | Business | Futures, options and swaps

2. Fallacy of Capitalisim:

BBC News | ASIA-PACIFIC | Nike admits abuse at Indonesian plants

3. Fallacy of animal rights:

BBC News | UK | Animal cruelty on the increase

4. Fallacy of Enviromental issues:

BBC News - Gulf spill: BP reveals oil spill probe details

5. Fallacy of Forign Policies:

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Panorama | What the Papers say - A failure of intelligence

6. Fallacy of Social cohesion and fabric:

BBC World Service - News - Is Britain broken?

and on and on and on with no end in sight.

The fallacy of the Benevolent Caliphate

Ottoman Empire and the Armenian Genocide

 

[Luminous]

This is my reply to his edit post. Gang's preacher GONE. :yes:

Hehehe. No apology no nothing.

(2) O you who believe! If a fasiq (liar - evil person) comes to you with any news, verify it, lest you should harm people in ignorance, and afterwards you become regretful for what you have done.
( سورة الحجرات , Al-Hujraat, Chapter #49, Verse #6)

"Gang's Preacher" was not there. I read over it when it was fresh. when you quoted it and before it said "the GANG LEADER's name, soandso; or the immam's name, soandso." Clearly you made a mistake, and IMO should not be accusion gnostic of something so... so trivial... to divert attention and attack his validity; its simply dishonest in anycase even if he had called the immam the gang's preacher. the fact would remain that saying you are a muslim means nothing, and that there is no such thing as a "real (and thus made perfect) muslim". and that theocrazy and totalitarianism does not cause perfection.

 

[Luminous]

It get really hot in free mixing secular nightclubs. I remember very well how they used to increase the temperature of the dance floor to have the woman/girls take off access cloths. Also to make the punters buy as much drinks as possible to qounch their thrist.

Maximise profits.

Not to mention the sales of exctsy, spike drugs and date rape drugs all in the name of persuit of happiness.

I never remember ever seen such evil hotspots in either christendom nor the caliphate state?

clearly you are not a "true muslim" as i see badran and lava because you have been tainted by "secular satanic"
but in a more serious note. which would you prefer to live in "christendom" and be murdered for being stubborn and "muslim satanic"
or to live in the caliphate state and be forced to do what is "muslim and proper" and be punished if you believe they are wrong on what is "muslim and proper".

 

[YmirGF]

The fallacy of the Benevolent Caliphate

Ottoman Empire and the Armenian Genocide

Oh, .lava tells me that the whole Armenian genocide thing is a fabrication as the "facts" do not jive with the Turkish records from the period. Ah, and there was a single report from a Russian source that said everything was the Armenian's fault and that they enacted a genocide on their Turkish masters.... I'm just sayin'

 

[Thesavorofpan]

I would have no problem living under a christian state as long as its laws are derived from the true teachings of Jesus pbuh and not that of Paul's.

A better place?

I am sure a christian would agree with me that either he or me would love to live in each other's state rather then be faced daily with secular systems and its produce of fruits:

FOXNews.com - Father, 4 Sons Charged in Missouri Child Rape Case

I like the world I'm living in now thank you very much. Your use of showing horrible crimes does not support your case. Men are naturally evil no matter what religion is at the top there will be horrible crimes like this.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

True, true but I must note; a lot of Christians want tyranny, just the one with their name attached.

Nah too much power would corrupt then the stuff that happen before reformation would happen again.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

When Jesus pbuh decends back to earth I think you really need to get busy.

Rev:12:
5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a ROD of IRON:
and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Get busy......

1Judge not, that ye be not judged. 2For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



Mathew 7:1-5

 

[Thesavorofpan]

I am sure that Islam only looks after the sacred places of the people of the book. The covenant till the last day was laid out 1400 years ago between us and christians and jews. If any muslim or muslims destroy a church or synygog then they have broken this promise and will be judged severly by Allah swt.

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YouTube - Muhammed's letter to Christian people ♥♥♥♥♥ ( Muhammed's fruit - plz share - 4 God sake )

Idol worshipping central europe just before the advent of Alexandrian christinaity is the brothers and sisters of idol worshipping hinduisim and budahsim.

I am sure hinduisim and budhasim are not part of the people of the book and following the tradition of Abraham pbuh of removing all traces of Idol worshipping.

Abraham started this tradition as part of the tests that were given to him by Allah swt as mentioned in the NT OT and Quran. He started it in Nimrod/Iraq all the way to Jeurasilm. Muahmmed pbuh only followed in this tradition by removing and destroying the Idols of pagan makkah.

Therefore by all abrahamic traditions idols and idol worship are not considerd people of the book and therefore all their statues and idols should be removed. Any place of worship that contains idols was removed by Abraham and replaced by a HOUSE dedicated to the worship of the CREATOR alone.

Just my 2 fake secular currency cents and it is not my own wishes but it is evidenced in Jewish, Christian and Islamic divine scripture.

I'm sorry, but when did exactly Abraham remove all those idol's because I don't remember it happening.

 

[gnostic]

Do a google, type in "2000 gang rape Muslim Lebanese Sydney". It is probably in wikipedia too. The trial is public record.

You could also do search on the gang leader's name, Bilal Skaf, and on the imam's name Taj El-Din Hamid Hilaly.

Clearly, I believed that you have misunderstood me.

This sentence clearly distinguish (in red) 2 different people.

1. Bilal Skaf, gang leader.
2. Hilaly, Islamic imam.

So English, is only your second language. What I've written should not be construed as that imam was a member of the gang, who had raped. I merely stated that when the gang (9 out of 14, led by Bilal Skaf) were convicted, the imam had more sympathy for the convicted rapists than the victims. He later preach in his sermon, and compared women to uncovered meat, the same as you did, 301.

At no time, did I call the imam Hilaly, your "gang preacher". You did.

LoL. gang preacher? stop lieying man.

Then you call me a liar. But by saying that I call Hilaly a "gang preacher", then you are the one lying, 301, because you putting words in my mouth, which I clearly didn't say.

What I've written about Hilaly is not a lie, nor about Bilal. I remember quite clearly what Bilil said during the trial, because I've heard and read what was being said. And I remember what Hilaly said too, during his sermon, which he described women wearing some clothing, as uncovered meat. He clearly blame the girl for the rape, giving sympathy to the gang-rapists sympathy for the harsh sentence.

I find it strange that Muslims have no qualms about stoning and flogging women for adultery, but with a man being the rapist, some Muslims would make excuses for a rapist and offer sympathy because he was convicted for a crime. It is cruel, backward, and direspectful to all women, and not just the victims.

I don't think you even try to look for the sources, considering that others have found materials.

There is a similarity between you and the gang rapist leader. Both of you blind a girl or woman for the rape, because of what she might wear, hence you think the rapist is not responsible.

You are also like this disgusting imam. Both of you not only blame the girl, but what you have written in this forum is basically the same what Hilaly said too. You describe a woman as an "uncovered meat", hence she is responsible if she is devour by animal. Hilaly said the same thing, but he used "cat" than your more generic "animal".

Ofcourse mini-skirts dont rape. But do not help. Uncovered meat will cause the beasts to gather to devour.

I don't think all Muslims, only sick ones like you, the gang rapists, and this imam, and people of similar minds as you.

Go on, and make your accusation that I am liar, because everyone here can see that you have lie, and not just about gang-rape, but making all the false claims about secularism.

 

[301ouncer]

promoter is love, peace, and faith.

These are the noble qualities of Jesus of Nazarath pbuh therefore it is completely attributed to him and equally to all the previous messengers and the later messengers.

You have also side tracked other noble attributes of standing up to injustice and oppression. Speaking of the truth whenever is required. Exposing conjugted falsehood for the sake of truth. Pointing out fallacies of systems for the betterment of mankind. Muslim and nonmuslims.

those who promote hate, violence, and fear

If you could kindly go back and you will clearly see this hate, violence and fear promoted in peacefull 21st century socities.