Islam will dominate!

[301ouncer]

Read the context of the scripture again.

Yes. I agree with you. Revelations are prophecies. But I am looking at the action not necessarly the context:

Rev:12:
5: And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a ROD of IRON:
and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Sometimes actions speaks louder then words.

 

[301ouncer]

First of all, Abraham died in Genesis the 25th chapter to be exact. What you quoted is the law's being passed down from God to Moses.
Second Isaiah is still Old testament. New testament doesn't start until the gospels.

Thank you for correcting my classification of the bible. Since both the NT and OT included together inbetween two hard covers. It slightly confuses me especially when I am busy trying to desyfer this secular darkness.

Here is the source from the Jewish community on Abraham pbuh destroying of Idols and statues: Smashing of the Idols Part II: A Modern Midrash | OurJewishCommunity.org

Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.
One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".
Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.
When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."
"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"
Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

[SIZE=-1](Midrash Berei**** 38:13)[/SIZE]​

 

[tumbleweed41]

Abraham's father, Terach was an idol-manufacturer. Once he had to travel, so he left Abraham to manage the shop. People would come in and ask to buy idols. Abraham would say, "How old are you?" The person would say, "Fifty," or "Sixty". Abraham would say, "Isn't it pathetic that a man of sixty wants to bow down to a one-day-old idol?" The man would feel ashamed and leave.
One time a woman came with a basket of bread. She said to Abraham, "Take this and offer it to the gods".
Abraham got up, took a hammer in his hand, broke all the idols to pieces, and then put the hammer in the hand of the biggest idol among them.
When his father came back and saw the broken idols, he was appalled. "Who did this?" he cried. "How can I hide anything from you?" replied Abraham calmly. "A woman came with a basket of bread and told me to offer it to them. I brought it in front of them, and each one said, "I'm going to eat first." Then the biggest one got up, took the hammer and broke all the others to pieces."
"What are you trying to pull on me?" asked Terach, "Do they have minds?"
Said Abraham: "Listen to what your own mouth is saying? They have no power at all! Why worship idols?"

[SIZE=-1](Midrash Berei**** 38:13)[/SIZE]​

This Midrash is known by Jews to be non- historical and metaphorical, created by Preists who were warning of following the Greek gods.

Surah 21:51-21:70 is simply a recounting of this metaphorical story as historic fact.

 

[301ouncer]

This Midrash is known by Jews to be non- historical and metaphorical, created by Preists who were warning of following the Greek gods.

Surah 21:51-21:70 is simply a recounting of this metaphorical story as historic fact.

just Abraham pbuh did, so too all Jews/muslims are required to eradicate all idols in every time and place. The jews following in the tradition of Abraham and Moses pbuh too was following in the tradition of Abraham pbuh. Muhammed pbuh was also following in the tradition of Hebrew messenger Abraham pbuh.

The source for this commandment is from the verse, “You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations that you shall possess worshipped their gods, upon the lofty mountains and upon the hills, and under every lush tree. And you shall tear down their altars, smash their monuments, burn their [trees of worship] with fire, cut down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of those gods from that place” (Deut. 12:1-3).

Destroy all of that land; beat down their pillars and break their statues and waste all of their high places, cleansing the land and dwelling in it.
For I have given it to you for a possession.
Old Testament Numbers 34:52, 53

"Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? Ye are even My witnesses. Is there a God beside Me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any. They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together." (Isaiah 44:8-11 KJV)

 

[Breathe]

just Abraham pbuh did, so too all Jews/muslims are required to eradicate all idols in every time and place.

You keep away from my icons.

 

[301ouncer]

religion has nothing to do with it.
it's all about money and power
it's who wins and get to stay and who loses and goes home.

Tell me about it James. Secularism is in always in the habite of re-labling it is fruits packaging.

Adultry becomes Love affair.

Fornication becomes One night stand.

Alcahol becomes Spirits.

Mortgate becomes Halal Mortgate.

Teenage pregnancy becomes .........etc etc etc.

They make them sound as easy as drinking water. Thereafter when a nutcase like me says they should be flogged/stoned. Everyone goes up in arms as to why you need to flogg/stone someone when they are only trying to drink water.

If we dont stop this drive through shops selling distilled drinking water then we all shall reap it is consequences:

Extra marital affairs, broken homes, STD/HIV, astray youth (Gans, Drugs, gunss, etc) and teenage pragnancies, baby abortions, single mother chronical depression......etc etc. Darkness upon darkness with no end in sight.

Unless you know of any other solution to this darkness? do let me know.

 

[301ouncer]

You keep away from my icons.

No worries unless they are not public display in muslim lands then I do not see any problems.

As I a muslim care for you and As I a muslim believe they have no power nor do they speak.:yes:

 

[Breathe]

No worries unless they are not public display in muslim lands then I do not see any problems.

You said "all idols in every time and place". Otherwise, fine.

As I a muslim care for you

I care for you too!

and As I a muslim believe they have no power nor do they speak.:yes:

And I believe that my venerations of icons shows how I would treat God. If I can get aggressive with an icon, it shows I don't have love for God because if I could, I would get aggressive with Him.

Icons have no physical powers, nor do they speak. They are inanimate, they are not living. The same is true for the Kaaba, which is merely a Muslim idol, however Muslims try to dress it up or deny it with ridicule when that is suggested.

However, the spiritual powers that icons have does exist; that is why Muslims enjoy seeing pictures of the Kaaba, they pray towards it, and they go on pilgrimage to go around it. It's the same thing. If I attacked the Kaaba, not that I would, it would not do anything - it would not ask me to stop, nor flinch, nor try to stop me - but that does not mean I have a right to do it because the Kaaba is inanimate and can't do it.

If you disagree with me, we'll have to agree to disagree. I ain't budging an inch on this.

 

[tumbleweed41]

just Abraham pbuh did, so too all Jews/muslims are required to eradicate all idols in every time and place. The jews following in the tradition of Abraham and Moses pbuh too was following in the tradition of Abraham pbuh. Muhammed pbuh was also following in the tradition of Hebrew messenger Abraham pbuh.

The source for this commandment is from the verse, “You shall utterly destroy all the places where the nations that you shall possess worshipped their gods, upon the lofty mountains and upon the hills, and under every lush tree. And you shall tear down their altars, smash their monuments, burn their [trees of worship] with fire, cut down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of those gods from that place” (Deut. 12:1-3).

Destroy all of that land; beat down their pillars and break their statues and waste all of their high places, cleansing the land and dwelling in it.
For I have given it to you for a possession.
Old Testament Numbers 34:52, 53

"Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? Ye are even My witnesses. Is there a God beside Me? Yea, there is no God; I know not any. They that make a graven image are all of them vanity; and their delectable things shall not profit; and they are their own witnesses; they see not, nor know; that they may be ashamed. Who hath formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing? Behold, all his fellows shall be ashamed: and the workmen, they are of men: let them all be gathered together, let them stand up; yet they shall fear, and they shall be ashamed together." (Isaiah 44:8-11 KJV)

And yet the Jewish authorities allow the Dome of the Rock to stand.

According to the very verses you quoted, it should be torn down by all faithful Jews.

 

[YmirGF]

Icons have no physical powers, nor do they speak. They are inanimate, they are not living. The same is true for the Kaaba, which is merely a Muslim idol, however Muslims try to dress it up or deny it with ridicule when that is suggested.

Agreed, though you did forget to mention the idolization of their Prophet Muhammad. He is certainly in the demigod class, no doubt about it.

If you disagree with me, we'll have to agree to disagree. I ain't budging an inch on this.

So much for peaceful co-existence, eh? Islam isn't so much about "peace" as it is about submission.
The idea being that once all have submitted, there will be "peace". A bit of a no-brainer, really.

 

[301ouncer]

You said "all idols in every time and place". Otherwise, fine.

I did not say that. The jewish litreture said so.

Icons have no physical powers, nor do they speak. They are inanimate, they are not living. The same is true for the Kaaba, which is merely a Muslim idol, however Muslims try to dress it up or deny it with ridicule when that is suggested.

Kaaba is not a muslim idol. Just as a mosque we visit to pray in and get to chat to the youth and friends is not an idol.

We visit the Kaaba on pilgramige to show our unity and solideraity with all the muslims around the world. the kabba is a place of unity and not an idol to be worshiped. From the spiritual aspects there is not like the visit to kaaba.

Thanks for the quick chat but I am really sorry as I only have so little time in a day to spare for secular dwarfing dark system.

 

[301ouncer]

And yet the Jewish authorities allow the Dome of the Rock to stand.

According to the very verses you quoted, it should be torn down by all faithful Jews.

in islam we have no problem with places of worship of the people of the book and we should not touch any people of the book places of worship.

As for dome of the rock they are diggin a tunnel to bring it down. I will let the creator to deal with it in due course.

Thank you for the quick chat as I really need to answer the other posts on this dark secular satanica system.

 

[tumbleweed41]

I did not say that. The jewish litreture said so.



Kaaba is not a muslim idol. Just as a mosque we visit to pray in and get to chat to the youth and friends is not an idol.

We visit the Kaaba on pilgramige to show our unity and solideraity with all the muslims around the world. the kabba is a place of unity and not an idol to be worshiped. From the spiritual aspects there is not like the visit to kaaba.

Thanks for the quick chat but I am really sorry as I only have so little time in a day to spare for secular dwarfing dark system.

So, if we were to remove that black rock, say for scientific study, no one would be upset?

 

[301ouncer]

So, if we were to remove that black rock, say for scientific study, no one would be upset?

Go ahead be my guest. I am not the lord of that house. The lord of that house will deal with it.

 

[Breathe]

I did not say that. The jewish litreture said so.

You added /muslims, so it is still your words.
Even if you don't think they are, the very fact you quoted them like that at least suggests that you agree with them.

Kaaba is not a muslim idol. Just as a mosque we visit to pray in and get to chat to the youth and friends is not an idol.

It's still an idol, no matter how to dress it up. You saying "Kaaba is not a muslim idol" doesn't mean it's any less of an idol.

Thanks for the quick chat but I am really sorry as I only have so little time in a day to spare for secular dwarfing dark system.

Nice way of attempting to duck out. Quick question: If you loathe the evil secular systems so much, why aren't you in a country with sharia? And, if you are in a country with sharia, then why are you bothering with the evil secular world whom you seem to detest so much?

 

[YmirGF]

in islam we have no problem with places of worship of the people of the book and we should not touch any people of the book places of worship.

Does the Al-Aqsa mosque ring any bells? Legend has it that It was constructed over the site of the Second Jewish Temple.

It is almost traditional for Muslims to build on the foundations of temples/churches and holy shrines, if in fact, they do not simply remove all the previous religion's icons and take over the site completely. I do not see how this one can be argued, to be honest.

As for dome of the rock they are diggin a tunnel to bring it down. I will let the creator to deal with it in due course.

Heaven forbid that any proof be brought forth that the "Dome of the rock" is indeed built on the former Second Jewish Temple.

I can see why Muslims wouldn't be too keen on any kind of work to sort the truth out, as that evidence would tend to dispel the myth perpetuated by Muslims.

 

[301ouncer]

You added /muslims, so it is still your words.
Even if you don't think they are, the very fact you quoted them like that at least suggests that you agree with them.

That is why I said I am not interested in discussing this in this thread as my mind is not set in the right frame for this type of discussion. I will make mistakes as I am not paying attention therefore I ask you kindly not to divert my attention.

Maybe at the end when I have finished with this secular satanic system.

 

[Breathe]

I will make mistakes as I am not paying attention

:biglaugh:



Then why are you posting in a debate section if you're not paying attention?
Oh, thank you so much for that. That is so cute.

Maybe at the end when I have finished with this secular satanic system.

:sleep:

 

[tumbleweed41]

So, if we were to remove that black rock, say for scientific study, no one would be upset?

Go ahead be my guest. I am not the lord of that house. The lord of that house will deal with it.

I will let the Saudi authorities know you said it was OK.:sarcastic

 

[darkendless]

301ouncer: Sure you don't want to reply to posts 3 pages ago?

Or are you just like our recently banned friend Fatihah who ignores things he can't argue with?