Islam will dominate!

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

I find it ironic that on one hand many muslims have this sort of 'islam is taking over and you can't stop it' attitude as displayed in this thread, yet those same muslims generally act shocked and offended if non muslims see that as a problem.

Is it really so hard to understand that this sort of sentiment is taken as a threat to those of us that value liberty?

 

[301ouncer]

I find it ironic that on one hand many muslims have this sort of 'islam is taking over and you can't stop it' attitude as displayed in this thread, yet those same muslims generally act shocked and offended if non muslims see that as a problem.

Who said I am shocked and offended if non muslims see that as a problem? or is it that you are shocked and offended that non muslims are turning to islamic finance and jurisprudence and away from secular systems:

Non-Muslims turning to Sharia courts to resolve civil disputes:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article6721158.ece

I am a man of my word.

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

And you wonder why people participate in such events as 'draw muhammed day'. Do you not see you and those like you are the root of these anti-islamic sentiments?

 

[Kerr]

How come UAE has no such greed? It is one of the richest states in the world?

I shall say in this case secular blind greed and it is overall financial decedence is the main cause.

Greed is not something to be proud of. It is one of the worst abhorrent crimes in the sight of the creator. As it so blinding that not even the needy and the orphan is saved from it:

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | Charity manager jailed for fraud
BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | South West Wales | Star 'shocked' at charity fraud

Who say UAE has no such greed? And I never said greed is something to be proud of, I said it has an ability to corrupt people.

Civil and peacefull christendom states. Caliphate state. Muslims in current islamic lands.

Ok.

Even friendship in secular socities kinda shaky at best of times: BBC News - Chester student 'set on fire' at end-of-year party

Friendship can be shaky in any society. Just as it can be very strong. It has nothing to do with if a country is secular or not.

Nothing in comparison. An ant to an elephant.

That can be discussed.

I never heard or seen from any social historical evidence of an adult man killing/stabbing his own 8 year old brother in christendom nor Calipate nor any such news from current muslim lands ? Man admits killing brother, nine

No, but unless have lived in an isolated cave, which is doubtful since you have access to the Internet, you have heard of Muslims blowing up innocent people.

Mountain of evidence from secular and its athistic mother's fruits. I did tell you before. Darkness upon darkness with no end in sight. Dwarfing social, financial, environmental darkness.

The Cast of usual suspects: Descartes, Newton, Darwin, and Freud:

Rene Descartes: The philosopher Descartes (1596-1650), is usually viewed as the thinker who ushers in the modern era. It is little surprise that as thinkers after Descartes followed his exaltation of human reason that they strayed further and further away from the truth of God.

Isaac Newton: Isaac Newton lived during the same era as Descartes. Newton exerted an immense influence on the development of modern science. He astounded Europeans with his development of the science of physics, especially through his discovery of the laws of gravity. At the time, Newton's discoveries seemed to "solve" most of the mysteries of the physical world. The whole universe appeared so orderly, so governed by laws, that it could be compared to a giant clock. Drawing on this image, many people after Newton adopted a novel and erroneous view of God.

Charles Darwin: Modern science developed under the illusion that its explanation of physical causes abolished the need to "bring God into the picture" in order to explain the mysteries of the universe. It was inevitable that this scientific "pride" would eventually lead to the philosophy of naturalism–the denial of God and the belief that the natural world, the world of matter, is all there is.

Sigmund Freud: From Darwin's theory that man descends from apes, it is but a small step to the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud.

I think you need to learn a thing or two about science.

 

[Peacewise]

As I am a man of my word. Inside of me as a human being that cares for everyone. Here please help me understand this system and if I am liar as you say:

Just today. I counted 11. One hedious sin after the other. One poor soul and victime touched by this fire after another:

Today's page BBC NEWS | UK | England

'No chance to end murders sooner'

Man admits killing brother, nine

Morphine deaths GP is struck off

Boy denies raping younger sister

Man charged over fatal stabbing

Appeal over 'nasty' street attack

Man injured in homophobic attack

Murder charge over missing Pole

Bogus vets guilty of fraud

Man admits killing elderly mother

'Mr Gay UK' Pc faces sex charges

Tantrum toddler 'thrown off bus'

This is really depressing for all the people that experiencing this darkness. Depresssion is caused by secularisim.

gnostic: Is this system a christendom or caliphate?

ok, how about this.
Yesterday I went out shopping in my secular country and encountered over 100 people none of them attacked or raped me. This doesn't make the news or websites you are viewing.

Last week I went to the doctor in my secular country, the doctor did not prescribe drugs to me and assisted me with my problem. This doesn't make the news or the websites you are viewing.

On Tuesday of last week I was coaching a dozen children in my secular country, none of those children felt the need to deny that they had raped their siblings. This doesn't make the news or the websites you are viewing.

My father has lived in this secular country for over 60 years, during that time he has not personally witness a stabbing incident. This doesn't make the news or the websites you are viewing.

My soon to be wife took Buffy, our pet dog for a walk on Friday night, during that walk she was not a victim of a nasty street attack. This doesn't make the news or the websites you are viewing.

Several years ago I met several homosexuals, these homosexuals reported that they had never been assaulted. This doesn't make the news or the websites you are viewing.

I know a lady, her name is Kirsty she is a real and qualified and experienced vet and owns 5 vet surgeries, she has not been charged with fraud and I have used one of those vet surgeries and confirmed that the vet there knew what he was talking about. This doesn't make the news or the websites you are viewing.

My next door neighbour has not killed his elderly mother. This doesn't make the news... etc.

If you want to be depressed by viewing the darkness and then want to blame this darkness upon secularism then this is your choice and it is biased. The fact is that the media reports crime and violence far more than it reports legal actions and non violence, if you use the media as your tool for understanding the world then you will naturally come to the biased view point that the media presents.
The media reports the exceptions to our society, it's what they do. For every murder or rape, there are some many millions of incidences where rape and murder did not occur, so many incidences that it's just not news worthy!

So ask yourself, do you want a balanced view? Do you want the truth?

If you honestly want a balanced and truthful view, then ask yourself how long you have been looking for or at all the negative aspects of secular society, then to balance this simply spend that same length of time looking for the positive aspects of secular society... that's a start to balancing your view point.

 

[Badran]

301's reasoning is no different than those who look at the acts of a few radicals and assume that all of Islam is the same.

We're going in circles here. I have exams to study for. I can't be bothered wasting my time on some ignorant fool who needs to blame the worlds problems on something other than his own narrow way of life.

Sorry, that is just shallow generalizations without much foundation in reality. The system, the base of a society, can be extremely different from one country to another.

So much for peaceful co-existence, eh? Islam isn't so much about "peace" as it is about submission.
The idea being that once all have submitted, there will be "peace". A bit of a no-brainer, really.

Is it really so hard to understand that this sort of sentiment is taken as a threat to those of us that value liberty?

Do you not see you and those like you are the root of these anti-islamic sentiments?

301 ouncer, i know you probably had it with me interfering, but you still can't see what's wrong with the arguments you are providing here?

You are doing the exact same thing that we Muslims criticize others when they do to us. You are posting links to crimes committed in various countries with different laws, and you are blaming the acts of those random minorities on secularism. While there are millions of others who are secularists and live in a secular nation, that don't fit that description. They like their system and they are not complaining to you.

The only argument you provided so far is that the denial of the creator leads to this, which is something you can't prove. You are also making assumptions that are simply not true. Like "secularist dress code" when there is no such thing. You are bothering everyone with this.

They can make threads and post videos and links of radical Muslims actions, and blame it on Islam too. If you want to keep this up go ahead, but i'm just saying you are not achieving one single thing here except bothering others.

 

[love]

Islam will dominate!

What if I don't want it to?

I learned recently that my influence has very little to do with global affairs. My circle of influence is very small. This is not true with my circle of concern. You can find all the bad news you want on the Internet or numerous other media, but the worst news I can possibly fathom is that Islam has taken control of the world.
I have had a problem with authority all of my life (especially if I think I am right). How could I possibly submit my life experience to the local spiritual leader who interprets by a book what is my creator's plan is for me?
I would certainly rebel against a prescribed time to pray to my creator. Communication with my creator should be in my every decision and not for public display to gain approval of other people.
Every morning most of us wake up with a choice to try to be good and do something to help a fellow human being or steal, rape or murder.
When countries or factions go to war the soldiers do not have this choice. They have sworn allegiance to a creed, religion or law.
I would never make a good soldier because history, IMO, has shown me that leaders who promote war are idiots. You don't have to be a global influence to fit in this category. You could be the local gang leader, or the local preacher or imman. Many people have the charisma to influence the thoughts of others. That doesn't make them God inspired or even close to right.
Too many people let religious dogma, color of skin, or cultural differences blind them to needs and desires of those who are different, especially if the other has something they themselves want or need.
Will our modern ability to communicate and exchange ideas and criticize others bring us closer together or will a centuries old theology that did not in it's wildest dreams comprehend where we would be today be the deciding factor?

 

[301ouncer]

And you wonder why people participate in such events as 'draw muhammed day'.

They want to participate in that junke to make them happy and distract thier attention from this backward social and financial secular darkness then that is their business.

Do you not see you and those like you are the root of these anti-islamic sentiments?

Antiislamic sentiments because of this thread?

well islam/thread has dominated this section for the past few days peacefully.

Antiislamic sentiments because of me exposing this dwarfing secular system?

I have no choice but to please my Creator in exposing this system as both muslims and christains are hurting from it. As well as the secularists and athists themselves.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

PS. this video is made by christian missionaries for a wake up call to spead the message. They should have directed their energies not against Islam but more so secularisim.

The people that made the video are authoritarians that are also alarmists. The purpose of their video is to spread fear amongst their followers, in the hope of scaring up more money for their coffers, or more political power for those that they support.

Your misunderstanding of their purpose in making the video just shows that you will grasp at any straw to make your particular religion appear to be the better and more popular choice.

Personally, I reject their religion, and yours as well.

 

[301ouncer]

Who say UAE has no such greed? And I never said greed is something to be proud of, I said it has an ability to corrupt people.

Do us a favour. Do a search on financial corruption on UAE and come back with some results pls. You will probably find so little or maybe none.

And whatever little you find will be like an ant to an elephant.

Ok.

As soon as I mention Christendom and Caliphate you become such a humbled creator denier. . No answer No reply just a simple Ok.

That can be discussed.

An ant to an elephant. Not much needs to be discussed here. Very clear. Can you see the elephant?

No, but unless have lived in an isolated cave, which is doubtful since you have access to the Internet, you have heard of Muslims blowing up innocent people.

Nothing in comparison. Not like they planned all this over a breakfast table. very understandable. You killing each other over what? Breakfast?

Cheating husband guilty of killing wife at breakfast table - Crime, UK - The Independent :no:

I think you need to learn a thing or two about science.

I think you need to WAKE UP.

 

[xkatz]

Do us a favour. Do a search on financial corruption on UAE and come back with some results pls. You will probably find so little or maybe none.

The fianancial corruption of the UAE is easily dwarfed by the slave labor used there to build up the fancy buildings they have such as the Burj Khalifa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Dubai

The people who build these nice places are migrant workers who are basically tricked into coming to Dubai/UAE and have to do extensive labor to get their passports back and return home. So much for human rights there.

 

[.lava]

301ounce, i think it is against laws of (whatever) to be understood correctly if you ignore feelings and thoughts of people. Ilsam would not dominate nations. Islam, just like other paths, can only invade a heart with love and admiration. as i read your replies, even i get scared. because you sound like as if Islam would dominate Western nations by force and oppress people to live as a Muslim should. that's not going to happen, let alone being Islamic

.

 

[301ouncer]

The fianancial corruption of the UAE is easily dwarfed by the slave labor used there to build up those fancy buildings.

Human rights in Dubai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The people who build these nice places are migrant workers who are basically tricked into coming to Dubai/UAE and have to do extensive, slave labor to get their passports back and return home. So much for human rights there.

Nothing in comparison still. An ant to an elephant. Nothing of the type of multibillion pound faud of its master. UAE is very secular with all night russian dancing girls clubs.

 

[xkatz]

Nothing in comparison still. An ant to an elephant. Nothing of the type of multibillion pound faud of its master. UAE is very secular with all night russian dancing girls clubs.

It's much more of an issue than this:

BBC NEWS | UK | England | Manchester | Charity manager jailed for fraud

You seem to enjoy nitpicking at things that are almost minor and happen on a daily basis while you ignore major issues like the slaver labor in Dubai because it's a country with a Muslim majority and then you go to blame the issue of slave labor upon secularism for no reason. Secularism has very little to do with such things, rather it is incompetence and disregard period.

 

[dogsgod]

301ouncer, Islam dominates your mind, I'm free of it thanks to a secular society, and because of that I am rubber, you and your Islam are glue, what you say bounces off me and sticks to you. Put that in your Allah's pipe and smoke it.

 

[301ouncer]

The video is a little disconcerting. As a secularist I am a little concerned, however, there may be mediating factors that the video doesn't acknowledge, such as the secularization of Islam in the West. I know of quite a few Muslim girls (grades one to eight) who come to school dressed in shorts and t-shirts. The parents of these girls don't seem to be a threat to secularism. Secularism, like Hellenization in the past, has quite a strong appeal and may win the day.

I know. They want to spread their corruption onto the little innocent smiles too. Never enough.

I pray they do not get touched by the fire and heat of dark secularisim and all becomes all regerts. Too late.

BBC News - Nursery abuser Vanessa George's ex boss talks of stress

My hart well and truely aches for all christians and soon to be muslims too.

 

[301ouncer]

If you want to be depressed by viewing the darkness and then want to blame this darkness upon secularism then this is your choice and it is biased. The fact is that the media reports crime and violence far more than it reports legal actions and non violence, if you use the media as your tool for understanding the world then you will naturally come to the biased view point that the media presents.
The media reports the exceptions to our society, it's what they do. For every murder or rape, there are some many millions of incidences where rape and murder did not occur, so many incidences that it's just not news worthy!

I do not really blame you that makes you think that secularisim is a good thing. If you do then there must be something wrong in modern theology of christianity and their secular influenced priests in making you believe this way.

If you agree with secularisim then you are going against the teachings of Jesus of Nazarath and his noble disciples. You have actually confined him only to 4 walls and made redundant loads of Christian jurisprudence.

Again I will never blame you but blame the relentless attack on christendom and the attack on secular influenced priests. I leave them with this:

"Now I tell you that there be in the world greater madmen, said Jesus, "because with the service of God they mingle the service of the world. So much so that many of blameless life have been deceived of Satan, and while praying have mingled with their prayer worldly business, whereupon they have become at that time abominable in the sight of God. Tell me, when you wash yourselves for prayer, do you take care that no unclean thing touch you? Yes, assuredly. But what do you when you are making prayer? You wash your soul from sins through the mercy of God. Would you be willing then, while you are making prayer, to speak of worldly things? Take care not to do so, for every worldly word becomes dung of the devil upon the soul of him that speaks."

Take care not to do so, for every worldly word becomes dung of the devil upon the soul of him that speaks." = novo ordo seculorum.

 

[301ouncer]

The only argument you provided so far is that the denial of the creator leads to this, which is something you can't prove. You are also making assumptions that are simply not true. Like "secularist dress code" when there is no such thing. You are bothering everyone with this.

Thanks for the advice will take it into account mr badran.

Take away the help, friendship and protection of the creator then it will be replaced with the help, friendship and protection of satan the rejected.

Take away the help, friendship and protection of the system and its creator then it will be replaced with the help, friendship and protection of secular satanica.

 

[301ouncer]

You are doing the exact same thing that we Muslims criticize others when they do to us. You are posting links to crimes committed in various countries with different laws, and you are blaming the acts of those random minorities on secularism. While there are millions of others who are secularists and live in a secular nation, that don't fit that description. They like their system and they are not complaining to you.

I do understand. There are ofcouse still decent people around the world. I have said this many times before. But give it few hundard years more and the new generation will dwarf the past. Be paitian and you will find me of the paitiant ones.

Take one divine law away and replace it with a man-made law and we all shall reap it is consequences:

BBC News - Police chief blames alcohol for 14 murders

The only argument you provided so far is that the denial of the creator leads to this, which is something you can't prove.

The fruits of the system has proved it. Just as a goodly land produce goodly fruits so does a baren land produce rotten fruits. I have not made it up. It is all there for all to see. The size of an elephant.

You are also making assumptions that are simply not true. Like "secularist dress code" when there is no such thing. You are bothering everyone with this.

Assumptions? Do you see a nun like dressed woman late at nights in corners of streets? Do you see a nun like dressed woman in free mixing night clubs? Do you see a nun like dressed woman with a queue of men lineing up for only one thing? Thereafter it draws the oppression of beastly men or if left to good luck a fatherly caring man:

A father saved his six-week-old twin baby girls
1. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/north_east/6422325.stm

Abuse boyfriend jailed for murder
2. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tyne/8305585.stm

A 16-year-old girl has been brutally attacked and raped inside a central London nightclub.
3. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3035948.stm

4. A pimp
Husband and Wife Ivan and Luba Lavrusik Charged With Selling Sex in Minnesota - AOL News

What are the chances?

i'm just saying you are not achieving one single thing here except bothering others.

If I have been bothering others then I apologies uneqouvically. I am sorry I care for human beings of all shapes, colours and sizes.

 

[Peacewise]

I do not really blame you that makes you think that secularisim is a good thing. If you do then there must be something wrong in modern theology of christianity and their secular influenced priests in making you believe this way.

I do not take my teachings from a priest, I study the Bible and trust no man in his interpretation of it until I have considered and reflected upon the interpretation myself.

If you agree with secularisim then you are going against the teachings of Jesus of Nazarath and his noble disciples. You have actually confined him only to 4 walls and made redundant loads of Christian jurisprudence.

The concepts of secularism or religion as you seem to use them are too general for me to be able to speak intelligently about them. I agree with some secular things and disagree with others. I agree with some religious things and disagree with others.
The ideal - Do unto others as I would have them do unto me. This is a christian ideal, yet I have also found that ideal being held by atheists and other non believers, as such there is an overlap of ideas between religion and secularism and I find that overlap is the place where the most useful ideas are, hence I am rightly eclectic and not Christian as you imply, though as i've indicated I do read the Bible and find much of use within it.

Is there something similar in the Koran as...
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.