Islam will dominate!

[301ouncer]

301ounce, i think it is against laws of (whatever) to be understood correctly if you ignore feelings and thoughts of people. Ilsam would not dominate nations. Islam, just like other paths, can only invade a heart with love and admiration. as i read your replies, even i get scared. because you sound like as if Islam would dominate Western nations by force and oppress people to live as a Muslim should. that's not going to happen, let alone being Islamic

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Salamu alikum bajim, naselssen?

I never said such things as oppress people to live as a muslim should. They have their rights. I am not a scholar so I recommend you to seek further advice or research on non muslim rights in the islamic caliphate.

Every decent thing will be prompted i.e modest dress code, etc. and every undecent thing will be demoted.

 

[301ouncer]

The ideal - Do unto others as I would have them do unto me. This is a christian ideal, yet I have also found that ideal being held by atheists and other non believers, as such there is an overlap of ideas between religion and secularism

Since athisim has no divine scripture not does secularisim then these ideals are borrowed from the creator since the creation of Adam pbuh and through all the messangers of the creator. :sorry1:

Is there something similar in the Koran as...
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

said: “Whoever wants to be drawn away from the Fire and admitted to Paradise, let him die while believing in Allaah and the Last Day, and do for the people what he likes them to do for him.” :yes:

 

[Luminous]

Thanks for the advice will take it into account mr badran.

Take away the help, friendship and protection of the creator then it will be replaced with the help, friendship and protection of satan the rejected.

Take away the help, friendship and protection of the system and its creator then it will be replaced with the help, friendship and protection of secular satanica.

who are you to suggest that this "satan" is not the creator? If the "system and its creator" were so powerful, they would have never lost so long ago.

 

[A-ManESL]

As prophesied or will it be reversed?

(1) It is He Who has sent His Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسل&#1605 with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam), to make it superior over all religions even though the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of allah) hate (it).
( سورة التوبة , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #33)

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YouTube - Muslims Are Taking Over The World at an ALARMING Rate - MUSLIM IMMIGRATION
Muslims Are Taking Over The World at an ALARMING Rate

This is an incorrect translation as the word din in Arabic doesnt translate perfectly to religion. In fact, Arabic does not have a exact word for religion in the modern sense. Moreover the verse has to be read in context. The word Islam in the Quran usually refers literally to surrender and not to the religion as we understand it today.

In todays language, we might read the verse in conjunction with another verse, which might make the meaing clearer:
17:81 "The truth has come and the false has vanished. Verily, the false is always the vanisher."

Simply, the verse means, that good triumphs evil.

 

[Kerr]

As soon as I mention Christendom and Caliphate you become such a humbled creator denier. . No answer No reply just a simple Ok.

I asked you a question about what you meant, a simple ok was a good enough answer since there was really nothing to debate over.

 

[Kerr]

Do us a favour. Do a search on financial corruption on UAE and come back with some results pls. You will probably find so little or maybe none.

And whatever little you find will be like an ant to an elephant.

At first look I found a few things, but right now I don´t have the time or desire to look closer into it. Maybe later.

An ant to an elephant. Not much needs to be discussed here. Very clear. Can you see the elephant?

Want to play games rather then having an debate?

Nothing in comparison. Not like they planned all this over a breakfast table. very understandable. You killing each other over what? Breakfast?

Cheating husband guilty of killing wife at breakfast table - Crime, UK - The Independent :no:

Errr... you do realize terrorism is ever worse then that, right?

I think you need to WAKE UP.

I could say the same about you. But it does not change that the post presented a rather ignorant view of science.

 

[Badran]

Thanks for the advice will take it into account mr badran.

Take away the help, friendship and protection of the creator then it will be replaced with the help, friendship and protection of satan the rejected.

Take away the help, friendship and protection of the system and its creator then it will be replaced with the help, friendship and protection of secular satanica.

You are welcome 301. I understand what you are saying, But secularism doesn't mean denial of the creator, or at least as i understand it doesn't necessarily mean that. Also, if you want to blame the problems on the denial of the creator, then explain in what way. I mean explain how each problem, is caused of the denial of the creator. Don't forget that people who don't believe in god have standards, or ethics. They have morals on which they decide right and wrong, so these crimes you are talking about is also viewed as wrong by them.

The fruits of the system has proved it. Just as a goodly land produce goodly fruits so does a baren land produce rotten fruits. I have not made it up. It is all there for all to see. The size of an elephant.

The same could be said on other systems. If you want it to be that way, then apply this rule on every system, including the Islamic and christian ones. Which would mean that Islam and christianity are bad, since some people in the past who lived in those systems, have committed crimes. And today, people in majority populated God worshiping people, there is also crimes.

Assumptions? Do you see a nun like dressed woman late at nights in corners of streets? Do you see a nun like dressed woman in free mixing night clubs? Do you see a nun like dressed woman with a queue of men lineing up for only one thing? Thereafter it draws the oppression of beastly men or if left to good luck a fatherly caring man:

Yes, but that is not because there is a dress code, every one wears what they want.

If I have been bothering others then I apologies uneqouvically. I am sorry I care for human beings of all shapes, colours and sizes.

There is nothing wrong with caring about your fellow human beings. All i'm saying is that the way you are presenting your opinions bothers them, that doesn't mean i'm saying don't criticize secularism, but i'm talking about how to do so.

 

[.lava]

Salamu alikum bajim, naselssen?

I never said such things as oppress people to live as a muslim should. They have their rights. I am not a scholar so I recommend you to seek further advice or research on non muslim rights in the islamic caliphate.

Every decent thing will be prompted i.e modest dress code, etc. and every undecent thing will be demoted.

Ve Aleykum Selam, iyiyim, teşekkür ederim. Siz nasılsınız? Ailenize saygılarımı sunarım. Allah'a emanet olun well... ask your mother if you don't know what i am saying if i recall correctly she was Turkish....?

when i read replies from non-Muslims, i get the impression you might be misunderstood by them. i have similar problem while reading what you say. because it sounds like "Islam would dominate entire world and oppress the rest of the world, change system of nations etc." more like a threat as in "we are coming!" i don't know.
whenever i tell you something like this, it turns out that's not your intention. but i keep misunderstanding you, 301ounce. maybe we should figure out why it happens because i am not the only one

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[Muffled]

Sadly we have to deal with Chrstianity, Islam and all those painful "in your face" religions.

Secularization keeps the playing field fair.

If you wana be christians be christian, but i shouldn't have to conform to your fairytales in a fair society right?

It is a pay to play scenario. God has granted the ungodly a life in hopes that the person will change. If there is no desire to change, then why should God grant the person a life? I suppose one could say let the devil have his due but it seems unproductive not to make a contest of it.

 

[Muffled]

Wow, a driver's license. How cultivated and cosmopolitan. Of course, you know what that leads to . . . Next, she'll want the right to choose her own clothes and then maybe even the right of sufferage. Then she'll be demanding other basic human rights as well, like the freedom to express herself without fear of reprisal and then maybe even the right to pick and choose her own religion . . . Then all madness could ensue. You're living on the edge, man.


And of course men shouldn't be held responsible for criminal rape when women dress so enticingly . . . That's crazy talk. How am I supposed to control myself when a chick wears a mini-skirt in my presence? And Allah forbid if women wear bikini's . . . that could actually rip a giant phallic rift through the fabric of space-time.

I have seen this happen with middle eastern men visiting this country. They go absolutely bonkers when they see unclad women. Maybe the law is there to protect their lobido because they are culturally inadequate.

 

[Muffled]

Good question, ATS.

I think it's because they come from a time where misogyny was widespread: women were effectively cattle they could have sex with, and people feared other people, effectively, "using their property"..

Such religions have effectively made stamping it out even more difficult, because when you think your God sees women in a bad light, who are you to question him?

That's a major problem with religions: they often have solidified culture, and it can be very difficult to remove culture from religion.

It is a question of role. A spirit can be male or female depending on what life God chooses for the person. I have been a female in a past life. Sometimes you have to walk a mile in the other person's shoes to gain a perspective. After all, if we decide to make all our women into men then who has the babies?

 

[Breathe]

It is a question of role. A spirit can be male or female depending on what life God chooses for the person. I have been a female in a past life.

You believe in past lives? Cool. How do you take that with Christianity, though, considering most don't?

After all, if we decide to make all our women into men then who has the babies?

Very good point. This is one good reason women and men should be considered as equals. The Guru Granth Sahib has a nice section on women in it, which I thought I would share, which sums up my feelings quite nicely.

Spoiler: Sri Granth

ਭੰਡਿ ਜੰਮੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਨਿੰਮੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਮੰਗਣੁ ਵੀਆਹੁ ॥
From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married.

ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੋਵੈ ਦੋਸਤੀ ਭੰਡਹੁ ਚਲੈ ਰਾਹੁ ॥
Woman becomes his friend; through woman, the future generations come.

ਭੰਡੁ ਮੁਆ ਭੰਡੁ ਭਾਲੀਐ ਭੰਡਿ ਹੋਵੈ ਬੰਧਾਨੁ ॥
When his woman dies, he seeks another woman; to woman he is bound.

ਸੋ ਕਿਉ ਮੰਦਾ ਆਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਜੰਮਹਿ ਰਾਜਾਨ ॥
So why call her bad? From her, kings are born.

ਭੰਡਹੁ ਹੀ ਭੰਡੁ ਊਪਜੈ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਝੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
From woman, woman is born; without woman, there would be no one at all.

ਨਾਨਕ ਭੰਡੈ ਬਾਹਰਾ ਏਕੋ ਸਚਾ ਸੋਇ ॥
O Nanak, only the True Lord is without a woman.​

I was going to write something else, but I got preoccupied with the fact I can't get spoiler tags to work at the moment and then forgot what I was going to say.. :areyoucra

Edit: I fixed it. I was forgetting the equals sign. Still can't remember what I was gonna say, though. Maybe if I remember I'll post it.

 

[301ouncer]

You are welcome 301. I understand what you are saying, But secularism doesn't mean denial of the creator, or at least as i understand it doesn't necessarily mean that. Also, if you want to blame the problems on the denial of the creator, then explain in what way. I mean explain how each problem, is caused of the denial of the creator. Don't forget that people who don't believe in god have standards, or ethics. They have morals on which they decide right and wrong, so these crimes you are talking about is also viewed as wrong by them.

These standards, morals and ethics come from the creator himself through the messengers since Adam pbuh. It is copyrighted already.

Ofcourse they could not just deny the creator or christianity. it would have been bloodshed in christendom. They clever very very clever. Start with distancing the creator as much as possible from their masses daily life and slowly but surely overtime athisim and disbelieve will undoubtly creep in.

The same could be said on other systems. If you want it to be that way, then apply this rule on every system, including the Islamic and christian ones. Which would mean that Islam and christianity are bad, since some people in the past who lived in those systems, have committed crimes. And today, people in majority populated God worshiping people, there is also crimes.

Islamic system or Caliphate are non-existant and when it was none of this herndous darkness ever was recorded in civil peacefull states. therefore whatever crimes committed by christians and muslims is and always will as a result of secularisim.

Untill the caliphate is implemented and promoted then you have no case against Islam.

Yes, but that is not because there is a dress code, every one wears what they want.

Total lack of social responsibility. I guess the secular elite like that kind of thing surely.

There is nothing wrong with caring about your fellow human beings. All i'm saying is that the way you are presenting your opinions bothers them, that doesn't mean i'm saying don't criticize secularism, but i'm talking about how to do so.

If you have a better way in doing so go ahead be my guest. :yes:

 

[301ouncer]

Ve Aleykum Selam, iyiyim, teşekkür ederim. Siz nasılsınız? Ailenize saygılarımı sunarım. Allah'a emanet olun well... ask your mother if you don't know what i am saying if i recall correctly she was Turkish....?

Ailenize saygılarımı sunarım (did not understand this bit) my mum has been in turkey for the past 3 months now. I miss her food. I am hungry.

when i read replies from non-Muslims, i get the impression you might be misunderstood by them. i have similar problem while reading what you say. because it sounds like "Islam would dominate entire world and oppress the rest of the world, change system of nations etc." more like a threat as in "we are coming!" i don't know.
whenever i tell you something like this, it turns out that's not your intention. but i keep misunderstanding you, 301ounce. maybe we should figure out why it happens because i am not the only one
.

Maybe i am a skinny lilli monkey that jumps around too much thats why you cant catch me. . I am not skinny by the way but tall and mideium built.

Maybe the language barrier and proper way to express myself is the problem coupled with too much zealousness.

 

[dust1n]

UAE:

United Arab Emirates: 17 Indians tortured, sentenced to death | Amnesty International

United Arab Emirates (UAE): Flogging: "R.A.", teenage girl | Amnesty International

UAE: Death by stoning/ flogging | Amnesty International

UAE: Further information on death by stoning/ flogging | Amnesty International

"One of the world’s largest construction booms is feeding off of workers in Dubai, but they’re treated as less than human. It’s no surprise that some workers have started rioting in protest. What’s surprising is that the government of the UAE is doing nothing to solve the problem".

Sarah Leah Whitson,
Middle East and North Africa director at Human Rights Watch




"[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In Dec. 2004, 'Khaleej Times' [/FONT] exposed the plight of over 1,400 unpaid workers who are living in dire straits in Abu Dhabi had threatened to commit a mass suicide!

In a recent report a 24 year-old Indian worker committed suicide in his living quarters, as he failed to get salary for the past few months. ([FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Circumstances cut short young man's big dreams)[/FONT]

"A day before his death, he borrowed 50 fils from me to buy a postage stamp to post the letter to his family. His situation was such that he didn't even have enough money to bid his family good-bye. Giving an insight into his desperate situation, a co-worker said.

According to investigation sources, he was suffering from severe depression that ultimately led to his death. "Nearly 75-80% of suicide cases over here are due to the same reason. Loneliness coupled with a strong sense of helplessness drive many people to take this extreme step," said the source.[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

A nongovernmental organization, Anti-Slavery International, released a report recently condemned the trafficking of humans, many of whom are women and children. The NGO report also outlined trafficking of boys to the United Arab Emirates. (See pictures taken by Anti-Slavery International photographer in Dubai, Click Here.)

Foreign women are lured to the U.A.E., under false pretenses and subsequently forced into sexual servitude, [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] often unprotected, with large numbers of partners, and to work unsustainably long hours. Many victims suffer mental break-downs and are exposed to sexually-transmitted diseases, including HIV and AIDS. They are often denied medical care and those who become sick are sometimes even killed."[/FONT]


[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.niyamasameeksha.com/human_trafficking.htm
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[.lava]

Ailenize saygılarımı sunarım (did not understand this bit) my mum has been in turkey for the past 3 months now. I miss her food. I am hungry.

the part you don't understand is like saying "i send my regards to your family"

Maybe i am a skinny lilli monkey that jumps around too much thats why you cant catch me. . I am not skinny by the way but tall and mideium built.

Maybe the language barrier and proper way to express myself is the problem coupled with too much zealousness.

lol
if it was only me then i would try to find the reason in me. i believe it is possible to trace replies to see if you are correctly understood. well, sure you'll do as you wish. i am just saying. i think giving no chance to be misunderstood matters more than what you believe and what you oppose

anyways

.

 

[YmirGF]

Untill the caliphate is implemented and promoted then you have no case against Islam.

I rather think that you are making a case against Islam, pretty well, all by yourself. Nice work.

 

[Badran]

These standards, morals and ethics come from the creator himself through the messengers since Adam pbuh. It is copyrighted already.

What i was saying is, they too view these things wrong, just like you do, so you posting these links as if they speak for them is unfair, because they don't endorse these actions.

Ofcourse they could not just deny the creator or christianity. it would have been bloodshed in christendom. They clever very very clever. Start with distancing the creator as much as possible from their masses daily life and slowly but surely overtime athisim and disbelieve will undoubtly creep in.

I don't know who you are talking about here, but here is the problem. Atheism is a belief system for some people, and you are talking about it like it's evil, which is not appropriate just like if they said Islam is evil, or something like that.

Islamic system or Caliphate are non-existant and when it was none of this herndous darkness ever was recorded in civil peacefull states.

Yes of course, i meant when they existed, there were crimes committed too, i hope you don't think that there wasn't any crimes back then.

therefore whatever crimes committed by christians and muslims is and always will as a result of secularisim.

How is that?! Is Iran or Afghanistan secular countries. No of course they are not even close to that, they are pretty much the exact opposite, yet there are horrible things that goes on there.

Total lack of social responsibility. I guess the secular elite like that kind of thing surely.

You mean they should force people to wear a certain thing? or to force women i guess in particular to wear according to their standards??

If you have a better way in doing so go ahead be my guest. :yes:

I think it's best to criticize the principles of secularism that you oppose, with respect, and without generalizing and talking about it like it's evil, because it's there system, and like i told you they like it, so they get annoyed when you talk about it that way.

 

[301ouncer]

What i was saying is, they too view these things wrong, just like you do, so you posting these links as if they speak for them is unfair, because they don't endorse these actions.

These are the fruits of the system as I explained many times before and you seem to blind yourself to it just to appease and please your comrads.

I don't know who you are talking about here, but here is the problem. Atheism is a belief system for some people, and you are talking about it like it's evil, which is not appropriate just like if they said Islam is evil, or something like that.

They are not people of the book therefore there no such recognised system in christendom nor Caliphate. Again you are speaking out of your own wimps and desirs. You seriously mr.badran do not know what you talking about few of the times I have seen your posts.

To this day I do not what is your Aqeedah. You seem to be embarssed to reveal your aqeedah to the rest of the muslims here to know where you coming from. Are you a baahi, shia, quranist, deviant? Please let us know so we know how to approch you.

For you not declaring your aqeedah is dishonest from the start.

Yes of course, i meant when they existed, there were crimes committed too, i hope you don't think that there wasn't any crimes back then.

An Ant to An Elephant. You condone the system you are an accessory to its crimes.

How is that?! Is Iran or Afghanistan secular countries. No of course they are not even close to that, they are pretty much the exact opposite, yet there are horrible things that goes on there.

To compare the caliphate to Iran and occuiped afghanni land for decades is very dishonest and shows the intellectual banckruptcy here.

You mean they should force people to wear a certain thing? or to force women i guess in particular to wear according to their standards??

Ok let your little daughter wear a micro skirt if you like? since I sensed deviancy from you a long time ago I am not surprised. No muslim will stop you. You will utimatily answer to your maker.

I think it's best to criticize the principles of secularism that you oppose, with respect, and without generalizing and talking about it like it's evil, because it's there system, and like i told you they like it, so they get annoyed when you talk about it that way.

I have respect thank you very much as I have showed my respect to the vicitims of this dark and backward system. On the other hand it is you who has not showen any respect to the victims of this system. The one who knows of crimes but does not speak of them, then he is an accessory to the crime.

 

[301ouncer]

UAE:

United Arab Emirates: 17 Indians tortured, sentenced to death | Amnesty International

United Arab Emirates (UAE): Flogging: "R.A.", teenage girl | Amnesty International

UAE: Death by stoning/ flogging | Amnesty International

UAE: Further information on death by stoning/ flogging | Amnesty International

LoL amensity inter. The biggest hippocrite after the U.nn. Blind in one eye to secular system of UAE and its pay master while having a full open eye on muslims and secularizied arab states.

They actually encourage alot of abuse and blind torture to muslims in prisons. They know about it but speak not of it.

Secular UAE is only following in the tricks of Nike and Co. and its secular masters.

Soon enough and not yet, UAE will also have multibillion money fraud cases (financial decedece like it is master). The further they induge in secularisim the further will be the sprowting of its fruits.

They are on my list of being witnessed against on the day.

http://www.grapesa.com/information/UAE-governmental-structure.html

Legislatively, although Islam is the source, the UAE has managed to balance western culture with Islamic values, so pu8shed down to the business level, there is much similarity to practice in the West. And because Islamic legislation is not strictly applied, it leads to a more open environment than some neighbouring countries.

As far as power goes, it is quite clear to see that this exists at the two levels of federal and emirate level. Dubai is seen to work autonomously, but it also takes some decisions from a federal level, and that level of control is part of the reason for its success. So while each emirate is self governing, the structure around them is almost country-like. Judicially, the UAE operate Islamic and secular courts.

The UAE has moved towards a modernity, from a government sense in a remarkably short period of time. How far down this line it will go will be determined by the need to open up to trade, investment and tourism. But the balance will still remain with the secular.