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Islamic concept of Mahdi/Jesus/Messiah

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
I have to ask the question.

Has one read Quran from cover to cover,please?


Quran is not a voluminous "narration" it is the size of four gospels bound together.
Baha'ullah needn't have to write many books.

Regards

See post #92

Islamic concept of Mahdi/Jesus/Messiah

I keep a Qur’an by my bedside for easy access and study. I’m good to go. Ask whatever you want.
 
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Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Sorry, I will concentrate on Bahaullah for comparison with Quran not others like Shoghi Effendi or Abdul Baha, unless of course if it is agreed that he falls short of telling things in straightforward manner.

Regards

That would be a little like taking away many of your most precious Hadiths, some of your most trusted scholars, some Imams or Caliphates depending on your traditions.

The Guardian provides authoritative interpretation and was the Divinely appointed leader of the Baha’i Faith for 36 years. The Guardianship is an Indispensable institution of the Baha’i Faith.
 

spirit_of_dawn

Active Member
Paarsurry - This can not be done as this is the 'Day of God' no Less. Both the Bab and Baha'u'llah have identified as God, but this is a Station not the Essence.

This subject is a tricky one as God/Allah is unknowable in Essence, but at the same time it is the Most Great Spirit that comes from God and we know as Gods Messengers.

These Messengers are all we can know of God.

I may start an OP on this subject from what I understand.

Regards Tony

God is the only being that has the station of Godness. Period. His essence is also unknowable. Period. You can attribute the station of Godness to anybody but God. If you do then you end up with two Gods. And if it makes you feel any better, the Bab claimed he was God's essence in the last book that he wrote called Lauḥ haykal al-dīn:

“Verily, `Alī before Nabīl (i.e. himself, the Bāb) is the Essence of God and His Being (‘inna `Alī qabl al-Nabīl dhāt Allāh wa kaynūniyyatih),” The Bāb, Lauḥ haykal al-dīn (n.p.: n.p., n.d.), p. 5.

You can read the original Arabic on the 4 line of the image below:

HKL05.jpg
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
God is the only being that has the station of Godness. Period. His essence is also unknowable. Period. You can attribute the station of Godness to anybody but God. If you do then you end up with two Gods. And if it makes you feel any better, the Bab claimed he was God's essence in the last book that he wrote called Lauḥ haykal al-dīn:

“Verily, `Alī before Nabīl (i.e. himself, the Bāb) is the Essence of God and His Being (‘inna `Alī qabl al-Nabīl dhāt Allāh wa kaynūniyyatih),” The Bāb, Lauḥ haykal al-dīn (n.p.: n.p., n.d.), p. 5.

You can read the original Arabic on the 4 line of the image below:

HKL05.jpg

Firstly it must be stated that there is only One God, Unknowable in Essence. This we agree upon.

How do we know this about God? It is only by the Messages given by the Manifestations. Thus for us they have given us all we can know about God. To think of anything else as God, would be a false thought.

Once we begin to understand this, then seeing them as all we know of God is not wrong, we just know they are not God in Essence, but in Attributes. Even the Manifestations say they can not know God.

This is a part quote about the Messengers

"....The human temple that has been made the vehicle of so overpowering a Revelation must, if we be faithful to the tenets of our Faith, ever remain entirely distinguished from that "innermost Spirit of Spirits" and "eternal Essence of Essences"--that invisible yet rational God Who, however much we extol the divinity of His Manifestations on earth, can in no wise incarnate His infinite, His unknowable, His incorruptible and all-embracing Reality in the concrete and limited frame of a mortal being. Indeed, the God Who could so incarnate His own reality would, in the light of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh, cease immediately to be God. So crude and fantastic a theory of Divine incarnation is as removed from, and incompatible with, the essentials of Bahá'í belief as are the no less inadmissible pantheistic and anthropomorphic conceptions of God-- both of which the utterances of Bahá'u'lláh emphatically repudiate and the fallacy of which they expose."

(Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Baha'u'llah, pp. 112-113)

This is a new age and in this age a greater truth has undolded, to which me personally is still being contemplated and it comes from this passage by Baha'u'llah;

"The Holy Spirit Itself hath been generated through the agency of a single letter revealed by this Most Great Spirit, if ye be of them that comprehend."

This is an explanation on that verse;

Most Great Spirit and Holy Spirit and their relations to Baha’u’llah – an explanation by the Research Department of the Universal House of Justice

Mr. ... makes reference to Mr. Taherzadeh's "The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh", vol. IV, (Oxford: George Ronald, 1987), pp. 133-134, where mention is made of the fact that the Most Great Spirit "animated and sustained" Bahá'u'lláh. In light of this section, he enquires about the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Most Great Spirit.
The Research Department has, to date, not been able to locate a comprehensive definition of the term "Most Great Spirit" in the Writings or the letters of Shoghi Effendi. The discussion in Mr. Taherzadeh's book appears to be based, on part, on an extract from the Súriy-i-Haykal which states:
The Holy Spirit Itself hath been generated through the agency of a single letter revealed by this Most Great Spirit, if ye be of them that comprehend. (As translated and cited by Shoghi Effendi in "The World Order of Bahá'u'lláh: Selected Letters", p. 109)
Shoghi Effendi has provided an interpretation of this extract in a letter dated 23 July 1936 written on his behalf to an individual believer in response to a series of questions about the relationship between the Holy Spirit and Bahá'u'lláh and His relationship to the other Manifestations of God. The letter states:

As to your question concerning the Holy Spirit and its relation to Bahá'u'lláh: the Holy Spirit may be well compared to the rays of the sun, and Bahá'u'lláh to a perfect mirror reflecting these rays which radiate from the sun. Briefly stated the comparison is this: God is the sun; the Holy Spirit is the rays of the sun; and Bahá'u'lláh is the mirror reflecting the rays of the sun. In the passage you have quoted from the "Súriy-i-Haykal" Bahá'u'lláh refers to His station of identity with God, to His reality which is Divine. In this passage it is really God speaking through Bahá'u'lláh. Bahá'u'lláh is not the intermediary between God and the other Manifestations, although these are under His shadow, for the simple reason that the Messengers of God are all inherently one; it is their Message that differs. Bahá'u'lláh appearing at a time when the world has attained maturity, His message must necessarily surpass the message of all previous prophets. Not only so, but His message is potentially greater than any message which later prophets within His own cycle may reveal. This is because the stage of maturity is the most momentous stage in the evolution of mankind...
In "God Passes By" (Wilmette: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1987), p. 101, Shoghi Effendi describes the coming of Revelation to Bahá'u'lláh in the Siyah-Chal and makes the following statement about how the "Most Great Spirit" was manifested symbolically in earlier Dispensations. He wrote:
...at so critical an hour and under such appalling circumstances the "Most Great Spirit", as designated by Himself, and symbolized in the Zoroastrian, the Mosaic, the Christian, and Muhammadan Dispensations by the Sacred Fire, the Burning Bush, the Dove and the Angel Gabriel respectively, descended upon, and revealed itself, personated by a "Maiden" to the agonized soul of Bahá'u'lláh.
From the foregoing, it appears that the term the "Most Great Spirit" is used to convey both the kindling of Revelation in the Manifestations of God and God speaking through His Manifestations.
(From a memorandum dated 30 December 1991 prepared by the Research Department of the Universal House of Justice and included in a letter dated December 30, 1992, written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer)

I now like to consider that the Messengers sent themselves, as they are the Most Great Spirit, the Primal Will, the Alpha and Omega, the I Am.

We know so very little and as such we have to be prepared to change our view, as each piece of information shows the puzzle a little clearer than before.

Regards Tony
 

spirit_of_dawn

Active Member
Firstly it must be stated that there is only One God, Unknowable in Essence. This we agree upon.

How do we know this about God? It is only by the Messages given by the Manifestations. Thus for us they have given us all we can know about God. To think of anything else as God, would be a false thought.

Once we begin to understand this, then seeing them as all we know of God is not wrong, we just know they are not God in Essence, but in Attributes. Even the Manifestations say they can not know God.

This is a part quote about the Messengers

"....The human temple that has been made the vehicle of so overpowering a Revelation must, if we be faithful to the tenets of our Faith, ever remain entirely distinguished from that "innermost Spirit of Spirits" and "eternal Essence of Essences"--that invisible yet rational God Who, however much we extol the divinity of His Manifestations on earth, can in no wise incarnate His infinite, His unknowable, His incorruptible and all-embracing Reality in the concrete and limited frame of a mortal being. Indeed, the God Who could so incarnate His own reality would, in the light of the teachings of Bahá'u'lláh, cease immediately to be God. So crude and fantastic a theory of Divine incarnation is as removed from, and incompatible with, the essentials of Bahá'í belief as are the no less inadmissible pantheistic and anthropomorphic conceptions of God-- both of which the utterances of Bahá'u'lláh emphatically repudiate and the fallacy of which they expose."

(Shoghi Effendi, World Order of Baha'u'llah, pp. 112-113)

This is a new age and in this age a greater truth has undolded, to which me personally is still being contemplated and it comes from this passage by Baha'u'llah;

"The Holy Spirit Itself hath been generated through the agency of a single letter revealed by this Most Great Spirit, if ye be of them that comprehend."

This is an explanation on that verse;

Most Great Spirit and Holy Spirit and their relations to Baha’u’llah – an explanation by the Research Department of the Universal House of Justice

Mr. ... makes reference to Mr. Taherzadeh's "The Revelation of Bahá'u'lláh", vol. IV, (Oxford: George Ronald, 1987), pp. 133-134, where mention is made of the fact that the Most Great Spirit "animated and sustained" Bahá'u'lláh. In light of this section, he enquires about the difference between the Holy Spirit and the Most Great Spirit.
The Research Department has, to date, not been able to locate a comprehensive definition of the term "Most Great Spirit" in the Writings or the letters of Shoghi Effendi. The discussion in Mr. Taherzadeh's book appears to be based, on part, on an extract from the Súriy-i-Haykal which states:
The Holy Spirit Itself hath been generated through the agency of a single letter revealed by this Most Great Spirit, if ye be of them that comprehend. (As translated and cited by Shoghi Effendi in "The World Order of Bahá'u'lláh: Selected Letters", p. 109)
Shoghi Effendi has provided an interpretation of this extract in a letter dated 23 July 1936 written on his behalf to an individual believer in response to a series of questions about the relationship between the Holy Spirit and Bahá'u'lláh and His relationship to the other Manifestations of God. The letter states:

As to your question concerning the Holy Spirit and its relation to Bahá'u'lláh: the Holy Spirit may be well compared to the rays of the sun, and Bahá'u'lláh to a perfect mirror reflecting these rays which radiate from the sun. Briefly stated the comparison is this: God is the sun; the Holy Spirit is the rays of the sun; and Bahá'u'lláh is the mirror reflecting the rays of the sun. In the passage you have quoted from the "Súriy-i-Haykal" Bahá'u'lláh refers to His station of identity with God, to His reality which is Divine. In this passage it is really God speaking through Bahá'u'lláh. Bahá'u'lláh is not the intermediary between God and the other Manifestations, although these are under His shadow, for the simple reason that the Messengers of God are all inherently one; it is their Message that differs. Bahá'u'lláh appearing at a time when the world has attained maturity, His message must necessarily surpass the message of all previous prophets. Not only so, but His message is potentially greater than any message which later prophets within His own cycle may reveal. This is because the stage of maturity is the most momentous stage in the evolution of mankind...
In "God Passes By" (Wilmette: Bahá'í Publishing Trust, 1987), p. 101, Shoghi Effendi describes the coming of Revelation to Bahá'u'lláh in the Siyah-Chal and makes the following statement about how the "Most Great Spirit" was manifested symbolically in earlier Dispensations. He wrote:
...at so critical an hour and under such appalling circumstances the "Most Great Spirit", as designated by Himself, and symbolized in the Zoroastrian, the Mosaic, the Christian, and Muhammadan Dispensations by the Sacred Fire, the Burning Bush, the Dove and the Angel Gabriel respectively, descended upon, and revealed itself, personated by a "Maiden" to the agonized soul of Bahá'u'lláh.
From the foregoing, it appears that the term the "Most Great Spirit" is used to convey both the kindling of Revelation in the Manifestations of God and God speaking through His Manifestations.
(From a memorandum dated 30 December 1991 prepared by the Research Department of the Universal House of Justice and included in a letter dated December 30, 1992, written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice to an individual believer)

I now like to consider that the Messengers sent themselves, as they are the Most Great Spirit, the Primal Will, the Alpha and Omega, the I Am.

We know so very little and as such we have to be prepared to change our view, as each piece of information shows the puzzle a little clearer than before.

Regards Tony

The Bab claims he is the essence of God effectively making your justifications invalid.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
God is the only being that has the station of Godness. Period. His essence is also unknowable. Period. You can attribute the station of Godness to anybody but God. If you do then you end up with two Gods. And if it makes you feel any better, the Bab claimed he was God's essence in the last book that he wrote called Lauḥ haykal al-dīn:

“Verily, `Alī before Nabīl (i.e. himself, the Bāb) is the Essence of God and His Being (‘inna `Alī qabl al-Nabīl dhāt Allāh wa kaynūniyyatih),” The Bāb, Lauḥ haykal al-dīn (n.p.: n.p., n.d.), p. 5.

You can read the original Arabic on the 4 line of the image below:

HKL05.jpg

How can we know this work is from an authenticated work of the Bab let alone an authorised translation? The answer is of course, we can’t.

This work of course is another excerpt from an anti-Baha’i polemic written in Iran and recently translated into English that relies heavily on sources that can’t be verified.
 

spirit_of_dawn

Active Member
How can we know this work is from an authenticated work of the Bab let alone an authorised translation? The answer is of course, we can’t.

This work of course is another excerpt from an anti-Baha’i polemic written in Iran and recently translated into English that relies heavily on sources that can’t be verified.

Ah yes, since the Baha'i UHJ doesn't want this work published, let's just call it an unauthenticated work and discredit it. Since the Baha'i UHJ doesn't want to translate it, lets call it an unauthorized translation and discredit it. Since we only have a translation from an Iranian source, let's use the Iranophobic atmosphere to discredit it even more.

The Book can be found on the official website of the Bayani community:

Talisman of The Religion - Page Number 5

Ironically this book is recognized as a work of the Bab by prominent academics working on Babi and Baha'i scripture like Stephen Lambdena and Denis McEoin. However, as Stephen Lambden writes Baha'is simply try to act like it doesn't exist: "Baha'i sources seem to neither cite nor recognize this important text representative of the latest thought of the Bāb" The Haykal al-Dīn (Book of the Temple of Religion) | Hurqalya Publications: Center for Shaykhī and Bābī-Bahā’ī Studies


If you don't trust those bogey-man Iranians for translating that passage, just show it to a 5 year old Arab and they'll translate it for you, that is if you believe in the independent investigation of the truth.
 

TransmutingSoul

One Planet, One People, Please!
Premium Member
The Bab claims he is the essence of God effectively making your justifications invalid.

All Messengers have said in one way another they are God and at the same time saying they are not God.

Thus it is our understanding that has to grasp what they are telling us.

If you are able to supply and Authorised translation of this pasage of the Bab, within the context of what is being said, Then we can discuss this further.

Sorry can not research today.

Regards Tony
 

spirit_of_dawn

Active Member
All Messengers have said in one way another they are God and at the same time saying they are not God.

Thus it is our understanding that has to grasp what they are telling us.

If you are able to supply and Authorised translation of this pasage of the Bab, within the context of what is being said, Then we can discuss this further.

Sorry can not research today.

Regards Tony

Claiming that all messengers have stated they are God is an insult I will no longer tolerate, thus this is the end of the discussion for me. Meanwhile, you can go along propagating the Independent Investigation of the Truth, while when it comes to act, you need the UHJ to give you an authorized translation of a religious text that a 5 year old Arab kid can translate. Good luck.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Ah yes, since the Baha'i UHJ doesn't want this work published, let's just call it an unauthenticated work and discredit it. Since the Baha'i UHJ doesn't want to translate it, lets call it an unauthorized translation and discredit it. Since we only have a translation from an Iranian source, let's use the Iranophobic atmosphere to discredit it even more.

The Book can be found on the official website of the Bayani community:

Talisman of The Religion - Page Number 5

Ironically this book is recognized as a work of the Bab by prominent academics working on Babi and Baha'i scripture like Stephen Lambdena and Denis McEoin. However, as Stephen Lambden writes Baha'is simply try to act like it doesn't exist: "Baha'i sources seem to neither cite nor recognize this important text representative of the latest thought of the Bāb" The Haykal al-Dīn (Book of the Temple of Religion) | Hurqalya Publications: Center for Shaykhī and Bābī-Bahā’ī Studies


If you don't trust those bogey-man Iranians for translating that passage, just show it to a 5 year old Arab and they'll translate it for you, that is if you believe in the independent investigation of the truth.

The work comes from Azali Babis who are notorious for dissumulation, altering and falsifying Babi works:

The Azali Babis and in particular Mirza Aqa Khan Kirmani and Shaykh Ahmad Ruhi showed little hesitation in alteration and falsification of Babi teachings and history in their works. Azali Babis regarded taqiyyah as an imperative requirement. In contrast the Azali Babis glorified taqiyyah in their literature. Taqiyyah was considered a virtue and classified into various levels of concealment. Prominent Azali leaders openly recanted their faith and even abused [the] Bab and Azal in the process.

Azali - Wikipedia

So once again your sources are completely unreliable.

Try again.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Claiming that all messengers have stated they are God is an insult I will no longer tolerate, thus this is the end of the discussion for me. Meanwhile, you can go along propagating the Independent Investigation of the Truth, while when it comes to act, you need the UHJ to give you an authorized translation of a religious text that a 5 year old Arab kid can translate. Good luck.

Seriously, I don't think you would really want a 5 year old Arab kid translating the Qur'an into English and having his work published world wide.

Baha'u'llah revealed thousands of tablets which altogether represent a volume more than 70 times the size of the Qur'an and more than 15 times the size of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.

The challenge is to translate Baha'u'llahs work into over 800 languages and ensuring the same standard if not better than any translations of the Qur'an into a foreign language.

Sorry to hear are leaving us. I was looking forward to talking with you further. Do join us again when you have cooled off.
 

spirit_of_dawn

Active Member
The work comes from Azali Babis who are notorious for dissumulation, altering and falsifying Babi works:

The Azali Babis and in particular Mirza Aqa Khan Kirmani and Shaykh Ahmad Ruhi showed little hesitation in alteration and falsification of Babi teachings and history in their works. Azali Babis regarded taqiyyah as an imperative requirement. In contrast the Azali Babis glorified taqiyyah in their literature. Taqiyyah was considered a virtue and classified into various levels of concealment. Prominent Azali leaders openly recanted their faith and even abused [the] Bab and Azal in the process.

Azali - Wikipedia

So once again your sources are completely unreliable.

Try again.

:sigh:

I'm still trying to figure out what makes less sense:

a- you discrediting a work because it is on an Azali website based on no reason, but simply because it is on an Azali website. Ironically, the website is considered such a good source for Babi scripture that the academic website h-net has put a direct link to it in their digital library under the works of the Bab: Arabic and Persian Babi and Baha'i Texts

or

b- You trying to discredit the writings of the Bab because a Baha'i author claims some Azalis who lived years after that manuscript was written had distorted Babi history.

or

c- You discrediting a book that the most prominent academic researchers on Babism and Bahaism (Denis McEoin and Stephen Lambden) consider a work of the Bab. And even Baha'i authors like Nader Saidi (in his book Gate of the Heart, p. 353) endorses as a work of the Bab and cites from.

Please, don't forget the INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE TRUTH.
 

spirit_of_dawn

Active Member
Seriously, I don't think you would really want a 5 year old Arab kid translating the Qur'an into English and having his work published world wide.

Baha'u'llah revealed thousands of tablets which altogether represent a volume more than 70 times the size of the Qur'an and more than 15 times the size of the Old and New Testaments of the Bible.

The challenge is to translate Baha'u'llahs work into over 800 languages and ensuring the same standard if not better than any translations of the Qur'an into a foreign language.

Sorry to hear are leaving us. I was looking forward to talking with you further. Do join us again when you have cooled off.

You are so funny. You consider the most literal statements in Baha'i works as metaphors, and you read the metaphor of a 5 year old kid (meaning that statement is very simple to translate) in the strictest literal manner. Just take that statement to any Arabic forum and ask for a translation. When you do that then we will continue the discussion.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
:sigh:

I'm still trying to figure out what makes less sense:

a- you discrediting a work because it is on an Azali website based on no reason, but simply because it is on an Azali website. Ironically, the website is considered such a good source for Babi scripture that the academic website h-net has put a direct link to it in their digital library under the works of the Bab: Arabic and Persian Babi and Baha'i Texts

or

b- You trying to discredit the writings of the Bab because a Baha'i author claims some Azalis who lived years after that manuscript was written had distorted Babi history.

or

c- You discrediting a book that the most prominent academic researchers on Babism and Bahaism (Denis McEoin and Stephen Lambden) consider a work of the Bab. And even Baha'i authors like Nader Saidi (in his book Gate of the Heart, p. 353) endorses as a work of the Bab and cites from.

Please, don't forget the INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION OF THE TRUTH.

You are so funny.

I'm pleased I amuse you.

You consider the most literal statements in Baha'i works as metaphors, and you read the metaphor of a 5 year old kid (meaning that statement is very simple to translate) in the strictest literal manner. Just take that statement to any Arabic forum and ask for a translation. When you do that then we will continue the discussion.

An alleged writing of the Bab that the Azalis have on their website isn't much use to our discussions. Just because a few scholars have decided to put it in a paper or a book doesn't make it anymore legit.

Didn't Uthman order the burning of pre existing copies of the Quran as part of standardising the text? In like manner much of the Azalis alleged holy writings are fit for the fire.

History of the Quran - Wikipedia

Next you will be producing a facsimile of the Bab recanting His Qa'im claims.;)
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
All Messengers have said in one way another they are God and at the same time saying they are not God.

Thus it is our understanding that has to grasp what they are telling us.

If you are able to supply and Authorised translation of this pasage of the Bab, within the context of what is being said, Then we can discuss this further.

Sorry can not research today.

Regards Tony
"Messengers have said in one way another they are God and at the same time saying they are not God." Unquote

It is a wrong understanding, nothing more.
Regards
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Quran
[3:80]
It is not possible for a man that Allah should give him the Book and dominion and prophethood, and then he should say to men: ‘Be servants to me and not to Allah;’ but he would say: ‘Be solely devoted to the Lord because you teach the Book and because you study it.’
[3:81]
Nor is it possible for him that he should bid you take the angels and the Prophets for Lords. Would he enjoin you to disbelieve after you have submitted to God?
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 3: Aal-e-`Imran
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
There is no benefit in practising Laws of Quran, after 1000 years. We don't really need to know those Sharia Laws of Quran anymore because as Quran says, there is benefit in them only for 1000 years after revelation of Islam:


“Indeed, those who reverence the Rites decreed by GOD demonstrate the righteousness of their hearts. In them are benefits to an Appointed Time, then their place is to the ancient House” 22:33


Therefore according to 22:33, the Quranic Rites are benefitial until their appointed time, then after that, Religious Laws are Referred to the Ancient House, which according to Recorded Traditions, is in Heaven, and the time of ascension of the Quranic ordinances is in the 32nd Surrah:

“He directeth the ordinance from the heaven unto the earth; then it ascendeth unto Him in a Day, whereof the measure is a thousand years of that ye reckon.” 32:5
I asked a very simple question in a friendly manner. Since one quotes verses of Quran, so I asked the question. Please answer it.

Regards
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
I asked a very simple question in a friendly manner. Since one quotes verses of Quran, so I asked the question. Please answer it.

Regards
In the same way that Quran corrects misinterpretations of Bible, Bahai Scriptures provide correct interpretation of Quran. Is not this one of the missions of the Mahdi?

You are only saying Bahai interpretations are wrong, yet, I have not seen any reasoning from your side, or a better interpretation to compare.
Quran promised on the Day of Resurrection, the interpretation of Quran will come. We believe the promised is fulfilled.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
In the same way that Quran corrects misinterpretations of Bible, Bahai Scriptures provide correct interpretation of Quran. Is not this one of the missions of the Mahdi?

You are only saying Bahai interpretations are wrong, yet, I have not seen any reasoning from your side, or a better interpretation to compare.
Quran promised on the Day of Resurrection, the interpretation of Quran will come. We believe the promised is fulfilled.
If one has not read Quran as I asked one to confirm then one's comments to refer Quran are of no use for me, please.

Regards
 
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