Islamophobia

[stvdv]

If they believe in Allah and his prophet Muhammed then they are Muslims no matter if they work as carpenters or are teachers or are terrorists.
They are all Muslims, you don't get to pick, the good ones are Muslims and the bad ones are false Muslims.
It doesn't work like that. There is only one Quran and they all read from it.
How many Muslims do you think interpret the word "fight" the way you do?
I'm pretty sure that many of them interpret it the way most of us westerners do.
Who's fault is it? The Quran's fault.
The Quran is not as clear and easy to understand as it proclaims to be.

Because my Guru never criticizes other religions, I tried to do this also
But once He clearly stated "There are errors in the Scriptures ... and the Muslims will come last" (I took it as "admit their Koran has errors")

So, I having been thinking about this the past few month quite a bit. I kind of come to the same conclusion as you described above
50 out of 52 Dutch Koran Schools were found guilty of Salafist fundamentalists teaching young Muslim children that Allah says Atheists need to be killed (maybe Buddhists too). That is like 96% of the teachers are teaching this in Holland. That is a fact. And they recorded them teaching this even. So indeed "fight" just means fight (if lucky, mostly it just means "kill") to the Imams who are in control (96%) and teach this. Unfortunately in mosques they teach in Arabic a lot, so it took a while before this was discovered (Holland was very generous and allowed them to have their mosques, but they greatly betrayed the trust). That is reality. When something is bad, it's good to just address it. Not to deflect from the problem.

A big misconception in spiritual life is that people believe "I am God", so I need not do anything. Or all are "children of God", so all are good.

Of course when you are a Buddha, fully enlightened and only in meditation, then this Being "sees no evil", so needs not do anything about what he "does not see". But as long as we (99.9%) "see evil" then we should act accordingly. Thoughts, words and deeds need to be in tune. If we see crimes and do nothing we are as guilty some say (even in Holland we are supposed to call the police if we see a crime happening).

 

[Raymann]

Do you know IF He was on the battlefield before he received the Revelations? Would give some perspective on "what kind of Receiver God used"

Yes, he was, only once I think, he was in the battle of Fijar (year 586), he was very young at this point (16).
The rest of his life apparently he was a merchant. That's how he met Khadijah (his first wife he married when he was 25 (she was 40).
When he received his first revelation he was 40.
The strange thing is that Angel Gabriel never told him he was Angel Gabriel nor that the messages were from Allah.
Muhammad told the story to Khadihah's cousin (Wahraka ibn Nawfaal), and he was the one who convinced Muhammad that he was a prophet, that Angel Gabriel was the one giving him the revelations and that the revelations were from Allah.
How would he know?
Don't ask me why I find all this very suspicious.
That's why I'm agnostic I guess.
Later on, Muhammad received confirmation that Angel Gabriel was the one giving him the messages and that the messages were from Allah.
Again, don't ask me.

 

[22Nasser]

Thank you for your very friendly version of Islam. Feels very good.


I rather have someone being nice writing not perfect, than someone being "not nice" writing perfect. Your english is fine.


Islam is known as "Religion of Peace". I think I understand what you mean.
If someone kills another person in my (stvdv) name, without my knowledge or permission, there is no connection between that killer and me. It is just his fantasy.


Good to know, some countries still give away other signals to the world. Glad to hear one Muslim telling he sees it different (I like Oman religion)
Question: Is it okay for Muslim to belittle (non) belief of others, telling or implying they are inferior? (No compulsion in religion you said)


Your interpretation makes perfect sense to me. And it is in sync with other verses I read in the Koran.


Question: Do you believe that other Scriptures are also Divine inspired and as valuable as the Koran (for others who believe in them)?


Very well said. ISIS is the real culprit undermining Islam; not the so called Islamophobes. Cause of Islamophobes is bad behaving Muslims.

It's not Islamophobes giving Islam a bad name. But rather "Islamophobes granting Muslims the chance to live up to the standards of true Islam"

It is not appropriate a to belittle any religion or human being all people have the right to practice their religious rituals even in Muslims country it is fundamental basis for religious freedom of belief in Islam, Allah says: “There is no compulsion in religion .The only thing Muslim need to do is to clarify the Principles of Islamic Religion to them and knowing their religion mutually because the process of fear of other religions or atheists is evidence of weakness in logic of that religion and we have to open channels of dialogue with other religions or Atheistic doctrine and scientists and accept of differences to reach for a broader horizon for the good of humanity.
This verse of the Quran said "إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَالَّذِينَ هَادُوا وَالنَّصَارَى? وَالصَّابِئِينَ مَنْ آمَنَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ (62)
the interpretation of the verse :
se who have attained to faith [in this divine writ], as well as those who follow the Jewish faith, and the Christians, and the Sabians [49] -all who believe in God and the Last Day and do righteous deeds-shall have their reward with their Sustainer; and no fear need they have, and neither shall they grieve. [50] - 2:62 (Asad) -

 

[22Nasser]

That my good friend is a total oxymoron.
By definition, a Muslim is a person who follows and practices Islam so there is no way around it if a person is a Muslim it has to be associated with Islam.
You are contradicting yourself. If there is NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION, then it shouldn't be a problem that a Muslim changes religion. He is not committing treason because Islam allows him freedom of religion. If they were killed because they were part of the enemies then it is fine but they were not committing treason (as you said they were allowed to change religion)
The problem is that you think you are the genuine Muslim but they believe they are the genuine Muslims. They also pray 5 times and memorize the Quran and they believe they are doing Jihad to protect Islam.
So Islam allows changing religion but defending your new religion is considered treason? It makes no sense to me.
So how do you explain Quran 9:29 ???
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

The definition of a Muslim in this way is a very general definition ,Muslim is a person who follows and practices Islam ,Muslims sects have different practices. For example, Shia practices are different from Sunnis. There are many Islamic sects and their rituals and beliefs are relatively different.If a group of Muslims does something wrong, should we think that all Muslims do so?You cannot say that behavior is a behavior of all Muslims.Where is the total oxymoron!!!
Where is the contradiction? The rule is clear if you change your religion and then you join the enemy army or spying for them, you will be killed, but if you change your religion and this is your personal freedom it is your business, which is confirmed by the Koran " “There is no compulsion in religion " that literal translation from Koran, but what is prevalent in the media which is taken from some radical Muslim scholars who believe that anyone who changes his religion,Subsequently joins the enemy and we have to kill him. This is not the opinion of many contemporary Islamic scholars who disagree with this Judgment. What you should know that punishment of apostasy is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.[/QUOTE]
In order to derive legislation from Quran you must know the circumstances in which God revealed this part of Quran and apply to the same circumstances , which in this Verse is to protect the Islamic nation from invasion. Because of gathering of enemy forcess on the borders of the Islamic nation, after raise of power of Muslims ., and in this Surah God allowed the Muslims to fight those people, who were allies of Muslim Before against the Persians because they start to invade Muslim territory.
The reasons of wars that Muslims fought at the beginning of Islam
- Defending the Islamic nation-
- Other nations did not accept the spread of the Islamic
and did not allow Muslim to reach the their People to tell them about Islam and to give them the freedom of choice if they want choose the Islam or not .
See what God says in the verse of Quran " Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.God says in the Surah that we fight those who start fighting us and not start aggression.
that the basic rule of war in Isalm.

The problem is that you think you are the genuine Muslim but they believe they are the genuine Muslims. They also pray 5 times and memorize the Quran and they believe they are doing Jihad to protect Islam.

I am not the one who decides if ISIS are genuine Muslim or not , their behavior decide because if we apply the principles of Islam on them you will know if they are Muslims or not.
Their behavior indicate that they are enemies of Islam no doubt . My interpretation as a normal Muslim and through my upbringing as a sincere Muslim, they are demonstrating the behavior of worshiping of Satan and evil and their rituals of murder, decapitation and body Mutilations all that of indicate the way of approaching Satan.
They are committing suicide by explode their body which is not permissible in Islam if you commit suicide even in fighting your Violate Islamic principles it is Forbidden to kill your self .
suicide is strongly prohibited . if you fight in the battle there must be some probability you survive if you hold you gun and go to fight the enemy you may survive but in case you explode your body and kill you self and and others you one hundred percent you will die.
I think most of ISIS members are young and maybe not educated and i think maybe dregs addicted .More than that they deceive many western people to join them.
and They contaminated Islam with their dirty deeds and spread the wrong culture about Islam.

 

[22Nasser]

That my good friend is a total oxymoron.
By definition, a Muslim is a person who follows and practices Islam so there is no way around it if a person is a Muslim it has to be associated with Islam.
You are contradicting yourself. If there is NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION, then it shouldn't be a problem that a Muslim changes religion. He is not committing treason because Islam allows him freedom of religion. If they were killed because they were part of the enemies then it is fine but they were not committing treason (as you said they were allowed to change religion)
The problem is that you think you are the genuine Muslim but they believe they are the genuine Muslims. They also pray 5 times and memorize the Quran and they believe they are doing Jihad to protect Islam.
So Islam allows changing religion but defending your new religion is considered treason? It makes no sense to me.
So how do you explain Quran 9:29 ???
SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Where is the contradiction? The rule is clear if you change your religion and then you join the enemy army or spying for them, you will be killed, but if you change your religion and this is your personal freedom it is your business, which is confirmed by the Koran " “There is no compulsion in religion " that literal translation from Koran, but what is prevalent in the media which is taken from some radical Muslim scholars who believe that anyone who changes his religion,Subsequently joins the enemy and we have to kill him. This is not the opinion of many contemporary Islamic scholars who disagree with this Judgment. What you should know that punishment of apostasy is not mentioned in the Qur'an.

 

[England my lionheart]

Proof from an Islamic source please

A waqf,jeruselam as an example.

 

[Raymann]

It is not appropriate a to belittle any religion or human being all people have the right to practice their religious rituals even in Muslims country it is fundamental basis for religious freedom of belief in Islam,

Look at any video of Muslims on London's "Speakers Corner" and the way Muslims preach their religion by discrediting other religions. They primarily attack Christianity by attacking the credibility of the "Trinity".
They are experts at debating unprepared people from the streets with their well prepare agendas.
So don't come here as the protector of Islam and try to silence those of us who genuinely question the principles of a religion which was founded on the basis of forced expansion, the conquest of foreign territories, forced conversions, intimidation, and the false claims of "no compulsion in religion".
In reality, there is very little freedom of religion in Islam.
I am not blaming entirely the scriptures (Quran and Hadith) because I'm not an expert in them but I see the results and I assume the scriptures plus cultural factors end up with the known results.
We all know that a Muslim who changes religion is going to be targeted first by his family, then by the society around him and could even end up killed.
Those are facts that affect most Muslims no matter where they live and no matter the type of culture they belong to.
We cannot say it is not Islam's fault and then hide behind some rediculous interpretations that not even the most devoted Muslims quite understand.
At the end, the excuse is "go to a Scholar" if you don't understand it. Hey, no Scholar is going to bring back the daughter that was killed because she ran away from home after being seen talking with a man on the street.
That happens every day in the Islamic world and I don't know who to blame other than Islam.
I blame Islam as a generalization, which means that there is part scriptures and part cultural reasons and I don't know exactly where to draw the line.

 

[Raymann]

Where is the total oxymoron!!!
Where is the contradiction? The rule is clear if you change your religion and then you join the enemy army or spying for them, you will be killed, but if you change your religion and this is your personal freedom it is your business, which is confirmed by the Koran "

Example:
I am a Muslim who decides to change religion and joins Christianity. My town is peaceful and wants no trouble.
Here come the Muslims invading my town and of course I have to defend myself.
Am I a traitor?
Have I joined the enemy?
This happened while the prophet Muhammad was alive.
Islam started in Mecca, then Medina and in 23 years occupied most of the Arabic Peninsula.
Do you think that happened peacefully?
No, it didn't.
Islam invaded and conquered all that territory by the sword so you were either with them or you were the enemy.
So how exactly do I exercise my freedom of religion if I live in the Arabian Peninsula at the time of Muhammad?

 

[Wasp]

IMO: That they threatened to nuke Holland over cartoon contest is sick

It wasn't they. It was him.

Do not twist what I said please

I don't. You're twisting the reality of what happened.

They should have publicly admitted they did wrong

He - I don't think he feels he did wrong.

I have not heard 1 Muslim publicly admit on this forum "this was insane of all those Pakistani Muslims and their celebration was totally misplaced".

They have my sumpathy. You aren't allowed to draw Muhammad. Don't draw it. If you do, it will be frowned upon.

Or you are in a debate. 1 says I will organize a writing contest. Write how we feel about Jesus. The other is Buddhist and gets mad, because he believes Buddha is the sole refuge. He takes a nuke and nukes the person.

How one feels about Jesus - or anybody - is completely different. For the Buddhist to be mad someone describes another "God" is also dumb. It has nothing to do it him. A person nukes a person?

 

[Raymann]

You aren't allowed to draw Muhammad.

I'm sorry, who is not allowed to draw Muhammad?
I hope you're not suggesting that the whole world has to abide by the rules of Islam.
By the way where in the scriptures says that you're not supposed to draw Muhammad?

 

[Wasp]

I'm sorry, who is not allowed to draw Muhammad?

It is prohibited for everyone.

I hope you're not suggesting that the whole world has to abide by the rules of Islam.

They have a choice but the laws apply to them. If they break them, that's their choice.

By the way where in the scriptures says that you're not supposed to draw Muhammad?

You gotta read between the lines. The way you already do, but different parts and on a different way.

 

[Wasp]

I blame Islam as a generalization, which means that there is part scriptures and part cultural reasons and I don't know exactly where to draw the line.

I think you should try to find the line.

 

[Raymann]

Raymann said: ↑
I'm sorry, who is not allowed to draw Muhammad?

It is prohibited for everyone.

You see, that is the problem with Islam and that's why it is a dangerous religion.
You said it, Islam transcends the rules of the land. Islam has no respect for other religions, cultures, and laws governing countries where Islam is not in power.
That is exactly the way people like Anjem Choudary thinks and I believe he is absolutely sincere when he speaks.
How can we possibly accept an Islamic religious rule in western countries when not even in Muslim governed countries Sharia is implemented 100%?
That is just ridiculous.
Raymann said: ↑
By the way where in the scriptures says that you're not supposed to draw Muhammad?

You gotta read between the lines. The way you already do, but different parts and on a different way.

That to me means that is not part of the scriptures and therefore it has been made up and adopted by people like you.
Raymann said: ↑
I blame Islam as a generalization, which means that there is part scriptures and part cultural reasons and I don't know exactly where to draw the line.

I think you should try to find the line.

That would never be possible, I don't live in the Muslim culture and I don't know every single Islamic rule. I do know exactly what happens when somebody leaves Islam, or when a woman dresses or behaves not according to Islamic standards.
That I can watch on Youtube videos, usually by ex-Muslims who have successfully escaped the "Religion of Peace".

 

[Firemorphic]

Look at any video of Muslims on London's "Speakers Corner"

Why would anybody want to watch speakers corner videos? lmao.

They primarily attack Christianity by attacking the credibility of the "Trinity".

Yes, that's called polemics and no, Muslims aren't the only one's that "attack the credibility of the trinity", most people who aren't Trinitarians (including non-trinitarians) know that it's a nonsensical doctrine and has always been a controversial one since before it was 'canonized' in the Nicene Creed.

They are experts at debating unprepared people from the streets with their well prepare agendas.

Ok.

So don't come here as the protector of Islam and try to silence those of us who genuinely question the principles of a religion which was founded on the basis of forced expansion, the conquest of foreign territories, forced conversions, intimidation, and the false claims of "no compulsion in religion".

Why would a Muslim want to 'force convert' somebody? think about that. Clearly there is no use every trying to. The person would still be an 'unbeliever' because there is nothing valid about both their supposed 'faith' and the very idea of 'forced conversion' itself is nonsensical.

In reality, there is very little freedom of religion in Islam.
I am not blaming entirely the scriptures (Quran and Hadith) because I'm not an expert in them but I see the results and I assume the scriptures plus cultural factors end up with the known results.
We all know that a Muslim who changes religion is going to be targeted first by his family, then by the society around him and could even end up killed.

Ok, if you know anything about the importance of family in Islam, you'll know that what you state here violates every 'rule' in the book.

We cannot say it is not Islam's fault and then hide behind some rediculous interpretations that not even the most devoted Muslims quite understand.

Yeah, true.

At the end, the excuse is "go to a Scholar" if you don't understand it. Hey, no Scholar is going to bring back the daughter that was killed because she ran away from home after being seen talking with a man on the street.
That happens every day in the Islamic world and I don't know who to blame other than Islam.
I blame Islam as a generalization, which means that there is part scriptures and part cultural reasons and I don't know exactly where to draw the line.

You're describing a domestic dispute here....? (albeit a violent one).

 

[Firemorphic]

Example:
I am a Muslim who decides to change religion and joins Christianity. My town is peaceful and wants no trouble.
Here come the Muslims invading my town and of course I have to defend myself.
Am I a traitor?
Have I joined the enemy?

No, not really.

You probably made a dumb decision (because Christianity is a religion that is way too exclusive for it's own good, even though there are still good things about it) but you're still within the fold of salvation according to Islam, as you're Ahl al-Kitab (a 'person of the book').

"Surely those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve."
Qur'an, Surah 2:62

This happened while the prophet Muhammad was alive.
Islam started in Mecca, then Medina and in 23 years occupied most of the Arabic Peninsula.
Do you think that happened peacefully?
No, it didn't.
Islam invaded and conquered all that territory by the sword so you were either with them or you were the enemy.
So how exactly do I exercise my freedom of religion if I live in the Arabian Peninsula at the time of Muhammad?

I really don't know whether to take your comment as serious or facetious. If you are being serious: frankly you need to do some more critical study.

 

[Raymann]

Why would anybody want to watch speakers corner videos? lmao.

Maybe because most of those people are well-trained apologists in their own religions and face each other in very entertainment debates at a very fast pace without the formalities and time-wasting of television shows.
Why do people attend boxing matches or sports events or music concerts, etc?
Because they enjoy them, clear enough to you?

Muslims aren't the only ones that "attack the credibility of the trinity", most people who aren't Trinitarians (including non-trinitarians) know that it's a nonsensical doctrine and has always been a controversial one since before it was 'canonized' in the Nicene Creed.

Let me understand, you're saying that it is alright to attack the credibility of "nonsensical" aspects of other people's beliefs?
So I guess you're saying that it is alright if I make fun of Muslims who believe Angel Gabriel was the one who delivered the word of Allah?
We all know that the one who decided that was Kadijah's cousin. How did he know? and why should we believe what he believed?

Why would a Muslim want to 'force convert' somebody? think about that. Clearly there is no use every trying to.

Ask the Muslims in Egypt who abduct, rape and force convert Coptic Christians.

Ok, if you know anything about the importance of family in Islam, you'll know that what you state here violates every 'rule' in the book.

Well the book doesn't mention anything about "Honor killings" but it is a well-known practice in most of the Islamic world.
Honor killings are done to protect the family honor (very important in the Muslim world) as you seem to imply.

I really don't know whether to take your comment as serious or facetious. (About the rapid expansion of Islam in the Arabic peninsula?) If you are being serious: frankly, you need to do some more critical study.

What did I say wrong?
That Islam and Muhammad conquered most of Arabia by the sword?
How many battles did Muhammad fought in 23 years? It's all in the books. Did I misread that part of history?

 

[Firemorphic]

Maybe because most of those people are well-trained apologists in their own religions and face each other in very entertainment debates at a very fast pace without the formalities and time-wasting of television shows.
Why do people attend boxing matches or sports events or music concerts, etc?
Because they enjoy them, clear enough to you?

Yes, I know it's entertainment. It's that you seem to take it as 'serious' entertainment, or even scholarship, which it clearly never is.

Let me understand, you're saying that it is alright to attack the credibility of "nonsensical" aspects of other people's beliefs?
So I guess you're saying that it is alright if I make fun of Muslims who believe Angel Gabriel was the one who delivered the word of Allah?
We all know that the one who decided that was Kadijah's cousin. How did he know? and why should we believe what he believed?

You already do though, don't you?

Ask the Muslims in Egypt who abduct, rape and force convert Coptic Christians.

And that sounds like a normal, ethical thing to do?

Well the book doesn't mention anything about "Honor killings" but it is a well-known practice in most of the Islamic world.
Honor killings are done to protect the family honor (very important in the Muslim world) as you seem to imply.

Correct, it's not a valid thing in Islam (or rationally in any other religion..)
How does it "protect" anything?

What did I say wrong?
That Islam and Muhammad conquered most of Arabia by the sword?
How many battles did Muhammad fought in 23 years? It's all in the books. Did I misread that part of history?

Yes, you conflate too many things with a nice red ribbon. "by the sword" is also not a valid concept in Islam either btw. There is a reason the Qur'an says so much against people who oppress other people.
The Holy Prophet was forced into battle a few times, this is just how life is. Islamic ethics sees self-defense as mandatory, especially when the lives of many are being threatened. The majority of his lifetime however was not spent in situations like that at all, the whole point of Islam is quite contrary to people going around and nihilistically killing people. That kind of behavior is abhorrent in Islam.

 

[Raymann]

Yes, I know it's entertainment. It's that you seem to take it as 'serious' entertainment, or even scholarship, which it clearly never is.

You're making assumptions that you shouldn't.

You already do though, don't you? (attacking the credibility of "nonsensical" aspects of other people's beliefs?)

I try to be respectful and never make fun of people's beliefs.
I don't believe God exists but that is not a problem with me, what I criticize is the misbehavior and crimes that are caused by religions and its followers.

Firemorphic said: ↑
Why would a Muslim want to 'force convert' somebody? think about that. Clearly there is no use every trying to..
Raymann said: ↑
Its been done in Egypt by Muslims

And that sounds like a normal, ethical thing to do?

Wait, what kind of response is that?
You asked why would a Muslim try to force convert anybody?
I showed why.
Your answer doesn't match the question

Correct, (Honor Killings) it's not a valid thing in Islam (or rationally in any other religion..)
How does it "protect" anything?

I was hoping you would explain it to us, I'm not a Muslim.

The Holy Prophet was forced into battle a few times, this is just how life is. Islamic ethics sees self-defense as mandatory, especially when the lives of many are being threatened.

Lets recap, Arabia before 510 was not Islamic at all.
23 years later was mostly Islamic.
Historically we know Muhammad fought many battles to conquer those lands.
People were not interested in attacking Islam.
Islam, on the other hand, was interested in expanding the religion.
We are not fools. We don't need to be Muslims nor to read the Quran to understand history and what happened so stop the nonsense.


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[Wasp]

Raymann said: ↑
I'm sorry, who is not allowed to draw Muhammad?
You see, that is the problem with Islam and that's why it is a dangerous religion.
You said it, Islam transcends the rules of the land. Islam has no respect for other religions, cultures, and laws governing countries where Islam is not in power.

If that is your conclusion it must come from somewhere else.

There are tons of Christians saying they respect Islam and respect Islamic culture - except that it's horrible and wrong. What they mean with respect is that they leave it be (mostly because there's nothing they can do about it).

That is exactly the way people like Anjem Choudary thinks and I believe he is absolutely sincere when he speaks.

Never heard of him/her

How can we possibly accept an Islamic religious rule in western countries when not even in Muslim governed countries Sharia is implemented 100%?

Sorry, I didn't know that was under consideration. I think it deserves its own thread.

That is just ridiculous.
Raymann said: ↑
By the way where in the scriptures says that you're not supposed to draw Muhammad?

That to me means that is not part of the scriptures and therefore it has been made up and adopted by people like you.

You didn't quote my response which was that you have to read between the lines. But..I I think this kind of an argument from you will nullify nearly all of your other arguments on this site, but I could be mistaken.

I do know exactly what happens when somebody leaves Islam, or when a woman dresses or behaves not according to Islamic standards.
That I can watch on Youtube videos, usually by ex-Muslims who have successfully escaped the "Religion of Peace".

This with all your other posts leaves me confused. Do you consider it a possibility that a person isn't killed for apostasy in islam or do you mean you're not sure how they're killed?

 

[Raymann]

You aren't allowed to draw Muhammad. Don't draw it. If you do, it will be frowned upon.

Raymann said: ↑
I'm sorry, who is not allowed to draw Muhammad?

It is prohibited for everyone.

The rules of Islam only apply to Muslims. The rules of the Quran and Allah only apply to Muslims.
Understood?
We in the west don't abide by those rules and we are allowed to draw Muhammad if we want.
Is that clear?
Raymann said: ↑
By the way where in the scriptures says that you're not supposed to draw Muhammad?
Again, very simple, is it in the scriptures or not?