Isn't it better to be atheists?

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Uncle!!!!

One may, with effort, repair ignorance. Heck, the Google has done a large Service against Ignorance.

But.

It is impossible to fix Willful Ignorance. Once Willful Ignorance has set it? It takes root and grows ever stronger-- the more facts you feed Willful Ignorance, the stronger and more entrenched it becomes.

Willful Ignorance is like a Great Beast, in that regards.

It is, in this day of "Al Gore's" Intertubes? A Choice.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

There is No where that Congress made the statement that no Bible's are not allowed in the schools,
Just because Congress said Separation of church and State, there's no where Congress as saying no Bible's in all schools.
You would like Congress to haved said that, But the reality is, Congress didn't.

So what you have is, What Congress sat down and approved is still binding. That Bible's are approved in all schools.

You do know that the US Government had defined "the bible", by Tradition, don't you?

By Tradition, each new member of Congress has received a copy of Jefferson's New Testament.

Now, to be sure, this Tradition only goes back to the 90's, and is done strictly as a private activity.

But. It serves to illustrate what can happen when Government defines Religious Books.

And I should note that the Jefferson Bible, does not contain any mention of Jesus coming back from the dead, nor of him doing a single miracle. In the Jefferson Bible Jesus remains safely dead.

I rather like it, myself.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You do know that the US Government had defined "the bible", by Tradition, don't you?

By Tradition, each new member of Congress has received a copy of Jefferson's New Testament.

Now, to be sure, this Tradition only goes back to the 90's, and is done strictly as a private activity.

But. It serves to illustrate what can happen when Government defines Religious Books.

And I should note that the Jefferson Bible, does not contain any mention of Jesus coming back from the dead, nor of him doing a single miracle. In the Jefferson Bible Jesus remains safely dead.

I rather like it, myself.

Well first of your going to have to show as to where Congress made any mentioning in and about the Jefferson bible

In what Congress said , As far as I see Congress made no mentioning of the Jefferson bible in what Congress agreed upon.
Now take Notice
"Congress passed this resolution
The Congress of the United States recommends and approved the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
The United States Congress 1782.

As you can see there is no mentioning of the Jefferson bible ?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Well first of your going to have to show as to where Congress made any mentioning in and about the Jefferson bible

In what Congress said , As far as I see Congress made no mentioning of the Jefferson bible in what Congress agreed upon.
Now take Notice
"Congress passed this resolution
The Congress of the United States recommends and approved the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
The United States Congress 1782.

As you can see there is no mentioning of the Jefferson bible ?

Apparently, the words "By Tradition" are beyond your understanding....

 

[Truly Enlightened]

One may, with effort, repair ignorance. Heck, the Google has done a large Service against Ignorance.

But.

It is impossible to fix Willful Ignorance. Once Willful Ignorance has set it? It takes root and grows ever stronger-- the more facts you feed Willful Ignorance, the stronger and more entrenched it becomes.

Willful Ignorance is like a Great Beast, in that regards.

It is, in this day of "Al Gore's" Intertubes? A Choice.

What else can I say? When you're right, you are absolutely right. And when you're wrong, you are absolutely right. I can only look in awe of such wisdom.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Apparently, the words "By Tradition" are beyond your understanding....

They sure are beyond your understanding,

You know by you saying "By Tradition" that can be turned around.

When the 1st amendment to the Constitution which was put forth by the founding fathers, by their Traditional standards, ment freedom of religion. Which ment By their practice of religion Christianity.
So it was By Tradition of the founding fathers religion of Christianity.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

They sure are beyond your understanding,

You know by you saying "By Tradition" that can be turned around.

When the 1st amendment to the Constitution which was put forth by the founding fathers, by their Traditional standards, ment freedom of religion. Which ment By their practice of religion Christianity.
So it was By Tradition of the founding fathers religion of Christianity.

LOL! No-- because the Founding Fathers were, for the most part NOT christians!

Certainly not how YOU mean the word!

Once again you demonstrate a near-total ignorance of actual History as most people know it.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

They sure are beyond your understanding,

You know by you saying "By Tradition" that can be turned around.

When the 1st amendment to the Constitution which was put forth by the founding fathers, by their Traditional standards, ment freedom of religion. Which ment By their practice of religion Christianity.
So it was By Tradition of the founding fathers religion of Christianity.

You keep skipping the most important question:

DO YOU WANT YOUR GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE WHAT THE BIBLE IS?

 

[Faithofchristian]

LOL! No-- because the Founding Fathers were, for the most part NOT christians!

Certainly not how YOU mean the word!

Once again you demonstrate a near-total ignorance of actual History as most people know it.

Now that's amazing, how you say the founding fathers were not Christians, But yet the founding fathers signed the Declaration of Independence which has God the creator mentioning throughout.

Which Thomas Jefferson himself written up the Declaration of Independence and the founding fathers signed, which is hardly to believe that if anyone of them did not believe in God would haved signed the Declaration of Independence. But yet, all the founding fathers signed their names.

That even the United States Congress, approved the Bible in all schools.

the first President George Washington was a Christian who went to church every Sunday with his wife.

And Benjamin Franklin went to the house of Congress to see what was going on over much turmoil in a disagreement they were having and Benjamin Franklin stood up before them all and said, men when we were at battle against the British, you all were quickly to get down on your knees, Now I ask you all to get down on your knees and pray to God for his hand in guidance in this matter.

It's been a well known fact that through down over the years, that the founding fathers were all Christians.
But to day people try to refute it all,
All because people can not handle the truth.

 

[Faithofchristian]

You keep skipping the most important question:

DO YOU WANT YOUR GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE WHAT THE BIBLE IS?

You keep skipping the most important question:

DO YOU WANT YOUR GOVERNMENT TO DICTATE WHAT THE BIBLE IS?

Congress didn't dictate the bible, when upon approved the Bible in all schools, there is only one Christian bible. There is only one book that is called the bible.

 

[blü 2]

Not when Congress strongly said, that it approved the Bible in all schools.
There is no where Congress as saying any about any other religious books.

In this case, which involves the US Constitution, it doesn't matter what Congress says, but it matters a great deal what SCOTUS says.

And Scotus says that

(a) EVERYONE has the freedom to choose their own views about religion, so that includes Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, Native religions, atheists, every color of the religious spectrum, and

(b) public money, hence public schools and their staff, may not, indeed must not, root for any particular religion or view of religious belief.

Got it?

 

[Faithofchristian]

In this case, which involves the US Constitution, it doesn't matter what Congress says, but it matters a great deal what SCOTUS says.

And Scotus says that

(a) EVERYONE has the freedom to choose their own views about religion, so that includes Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Satanists, Native religions, atheists, every color of the religious spectrum, and

(b) public money, hence public schools and their staff, may not, indeed must not, root for any particular religion or view of religious belief.

Got it?

Nope, do you Got it.

Congress Passed this Resolution
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approved the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

Now in case you don't know, The Tradition of the forefathers, was the bible, so it would be evidence what religion that Congress would be in reference to, seeing how Congress Recommended and approved the Holy Bible.

Now why would Congress out of all the religious books there is, only signify only one book out of them all, The Holy Bible. Which is a Christian holy book. To be recommended for use in all schools.

If, and that's a big If, if Congress as you say, ment all other religions, Then why is the Christian Bible the only book that Congress signified out of them all, For the use in all schools.

Now notice Congress did say the
( Holy Bible ) so what other book is called
The ( Holy Bible ) other than the Christian
Holy Bible.
Every Bible right on the very front cover has printed ( Holy Bible ) signifying it's a Christian Holy Bible.

Maybe before you go saying what about all these other religions, maybe you can show as to where the founding fathers said anything about all those other religions.

Seeing how before a law can be pass by Congress it first has go to the President and the Senate first, before Congress can put it into law.
Therefore the President and Congress and the Senate all agreed that the
Christian Holy Bible approved for use in all schools.

Got it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

LOL! No-- because the Founding Fathers were, for the most part NOT christians!

Certainly not how YOU mean the word!

Once again you demonstrate a near-total ignorance of actual History as most people know it.

If the founding fathers were not Christians as you say, Then why would a none Christian, agree that the Holy Bible which is a Christian holy book, be approved for use in all schools, if they were not Christians themselves as you say they were not Christians.

You know that's like, seeing that Atheists are not Christians, But yet Atheists approved the Holy Bible for use in all schools
So you go ask any Atheist if they would ok the Christian Holy Bible for use in all schools and see what exactly they will tell you.
But yet you expect people to believe that the founding fathers were not Christians themselves, But yet approved the Christians Holy Bible for use in all schools.
You can't be Serious.

 

[blü 2]

Nope, do you Got it.

Congress Passed this Resolution
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approved the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

But that all changed nine years later, when in 1791 the First Amendment succeeded, including prohibiting US governments from establishing any religion.

Since then, SCOTUS has made it clear that this prevents governments from supporting any view of religious belief.

Just like I told you.

Now in case you don't know, The Tradition of the forefathers, was the bible, so it would be evidence what religion that Congress would be in reference to, seeing how Congress Recommended and approved the Holy Bible.

The tradition of the writers of the US Constitution was the Enlightenment. Check any biography of Jefferson. You can also read about the 'Jefferson bible' >here<, and the text of it >here<.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Well it's evidence for Congress to approved such a bill it would have to go pass the President and the Senate first.
Go Figure

You seem you can't get over the fact that this bill still stands.
I know it just eats away at you. Knowing that such a law exists, But that's how it is.

So just considered yourself as being
Truly Enlightened.

You can end all doubts about your credibility, or your sanity. Simply by telling me what is the Bill number and the person who introduced this Bill onto the floor of Congress? Also, what is the Public Law Number(P.L. #), since the Bill was signed into law by the President(Washington)? Since reasoning the obvious has no effect on your level of understanding, maybe the facts will speak for you. If no Bill or Public Law exist, then your claim can only exist in your mind. This evidence is very easy to find, since all Bills and laws are numbered, including its original Congressional number. Also, Congress is made up of the House of Representatives and the Senate. Not the Senate and the Congress.

So unless you are only going to keep repeating the same lie over and over again, like an impaired 3 year old, lets just find where this Bill or Law is located. Since I can't find it, maybe you can. Just tell me where are the records? Maybe you are just another attention seeker that believes that, attention for any reason is better than no attention at all?

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Now that's amazing, how you say the founding fathers were not Christians, But yet the founding fathers signed the Declaration of Independence which has God the creator mentioning throughout.

Most were Deists, not Genuine Christians-- and most especially, not in the way you believe.

Why do you think Jefferson re-wrote the New Testament, stripping out all miracles, all supernatural things, leaving Jesus dead on the cross?

Which Thomas Jefferson himself written up the Declaration of Independence and the founding fathers signed, which is hardly to believe that if anyone of them did not believe in God would haved signed the Declaration of Independence. But yet, all the founding fathers signed their names.

See previous comment. Jefferson was not-repeat-not a Christian. Absolutely he was not. Would a Christian edit the bible, removing ALL references to supernatural stuff? Removing ALL miracles? Removing ALL mentions of Jesus being anything but a man?

This utterly destroys your blatant lie about Jefferson.

That even the United States Congress, approved the Bible in all schools.

Another blatant falsehood, that was completely debunked in previous comments-- all of which you continue to ignore as if they never took place...

the first President George Washington was a Christian who went to church every Sunday with his wife.

Mostly false. Again, debunked pretty much completely. If Washington was some form of Christian? The most notable trait he had, was a deliberate effort on his part, to hide this fact from everyone, and refuse to be labeled as such.

Hmmmmm....

And Benjamin Franklin went to the house of Congress to see what was going on over much turmoil in a disagreement they were having and Benjamin Franklin stood up before them all and said, men when we were at battle against the British, you all were quickly to get down on your knees, Now I ask you all to get down on your knees and pray to God for his hand in guidance in this matter.

Oh, Franklin said a lot of things about Christianity. Much of it was scathing criticism.

hmmmmmmm....

It's been a well known fact that through down over the years, that the founding fathers were all Christians.
But to day people try to refute it all,
All because people can not handle the truth.

"well known fact" -- only among those who lie to themselves, and refuse to read the personal letters and diaries of those people directly involved....

hmmmmmmmmmm....

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Congress didn't dictate the bible, when upon approved the Bible in all schools, there is only one Christian bible. There is only one book that is called the bible.

There are, at last count, more than 30 different versions of the so-called "christian bible" ... in English.

If you add in the hundreds of different languages, and the multiple versions of each?

That number rises to thousands of different, competing versions of the bible.

If one picks any two at random, and does a simple search for basic ideas? CONFLICT!

So. Which version among the thousands available, is the Official FaithOfChristian Approved Version™?

hmmmmm?

 

[Truly Enlightened]

There are, at last count, more than 30 different versions of the so-called "christian bible" ... in English.

If you add in the hundreds of different languages, and the multiple versions of each?

That number rises to thousands of different, competing versions of the bible.

If one picks any two at random, and does a simple search for basic ideas? CONFLICT!

So. Which version among the thousands available, is the Official FaithOfChristian Approved Version™?

hmmmmm?

Wow! I think that was the "nail in the coffin".

 

[Subduction Zone]

There are, at last count, more than 30 different versions of the so-called "christian bible" ... in English.

If you add in the hundreds of different languages, and the multiple versions of each?

That number rises to thousands of different, competing versions of the bible.

If one picks any two at random, and does a simple search for basic ideas? CONFLICT!

So. Which version among the thousands available, is the Official FaithOfChristian Approved Version™?

hmmmmm?

The one that any particular Christian follows at the time of his posting. Obviously!

All the rest are heresy and should be burned at the earliest opportunity.

 

[Marcion]

People often discover the answers they seek in religion because its main objective is to provide false comfort through imaginatively conceptualized answers that circumvent knowledge and logic.

There are many reasons that atheism is on the rise, but the main one is that religion becomes less necessary to the masses that become more intelligent. As soon as man became literate, after all, no longer primitively relying on the priests to read to them and tell them how to think about religion, man used his own critical thinking skills and came to discover the religious fiction for what it was.

At the same time many others realised that spiritual practices were very useful in their lives, making them happier more balanced people with a satisfying purpose in life.

So, while it was liberating to get rid of the suffocating religious dogma and the exploitation by corrupt priests, more and more people discovered that spirituality trumped by far the hollow benefits of chasing after mere pleasure and comfort. So no, atheism was not the answer, you cannot draw any good from merely denying something bad.