Isn't it better to be atheists?

[Faithofchristian]

*sigh* you can continue to make up lies all you like-- and repeat those same lies over and over -- but it won't make them less false.

You've been shown-- multiple times, and with the patience of the proverbial Job -- that you are wrong, here.

Have A Nice Day. You are a credit to your false beliefs.

My belief has nothing to do with what Congress has set down.

It's people like you, who can't handle things and accept the fact that Congress approved for all schools to have the Bible in all schools.
You show yourself as it really bothers you, that you can't control it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

*sigh* you can continue to make up lies all you like-- and repeat those same lies over and over -- but it won't make them less false.

You've been shown-- multiple times, and with the patience of the proverbial Job -- that you are wrong, here.

Have A Nice Day. You are a credit to your false beliefs.

There is No where that Congress made the statement that no Bible's are not allowed in the schools,
Just because Congress said Separation of church and State, there's no where Congress as saying no Bible's in all schools.
You would like Congress to haved said that, But the reality is, Congress didn't.

So what you have is, What Congress sat down and approved is still binding. That Bible's are approved in all schools.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

My belief has nothing to do with what Congress has set down.

It's people like you, who can't handle things and accept the fact that Congress approved for all schools to have the Bible in all schools.
You show yourself as it really bothers you, that you can't control it.

No-- you keep deliberately mis-representing the information. This was proven to you by several others, but you just double-down and repeat the same false narrative.

That's not surprising, as you put faith in Authority, instead of reason.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

There is No where that Congress made the statement that no Bible's are not allowed in the schools,
Just because Congress said Separation of church and State, there's no where Congress as saying no Bible's in all schools.
You would like Congress to haved said that, But the reality is, Congress didn't.

So what you have is, What Congress sat down and approved is still binding. That Bible's are approved in all schools.

Once more-- you mis-represent what was said and/or approved.

Bibles were never banned by students. That whole free speech shtick.

Bibles were and are, banned by staff, teachers, coaches, administrators, principles and so on.

This is a good thing: Do you want your government defining what the bible means?

 

[Polymath257]

That's all you say. But that doesn't cancel out, Congress approved that all schools can not prohibit kids from bringing their Bible's to school. As my kids have been doing, since Congress approved Bible's in the schools, isn't that just Great

Guess what? They can also bring a Quran. Or a Baghavad-Gita. Or, for that matter, the Satanic Bible.

What *cannot* happen is that the *staff* of the schools promote any particular religion, or even religion at all.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No-- you keep deliberately mis-representing the information. This was proven to you by several others, but you just double-down and repeat the same false narrative.

That's not surprising, as you put faith in Authority, instead of reason.

Ok, so give where, Congress said anything about the Bible, has not being allowed in all schools, Where is it ?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Guess what? They can also bring a Quran. Or a Baghavad-Gita. Or, for that matter, the Satanic Bible.

What *cannot* happen is that the *staff* of the schools promote any particular religion, or even religion at all.

You can't be Serious

First you would have to explain exactly how you get the Q'uran or a Baghavad-Gita

As being approved by Congress, When Congress said nothing about the q'uran or a Baghavad-Gita, As being approved in the schools.

Congress of the United States approved that the bible in all schools.
But said nothing about the q'uran or the
Baghavad-Gita, as being approved in all schools ?

So where or do you come by that, seeing Congress said nothing of the such or approved nothing of the such.

Unless you think, that you stand above the Congress of the United States.
Which is very doubtful.

It just eat's always at you doesn't it, seeing that you don't get it your way.

 

[Polymath257]

You can't be Serious

First you would have to explain exactly how you get the Q'uran or a Baghavad-Gita

As being approved by Congress, When Congress said nothing about the q'uran or a Baghavad-Gita, As being approved in the schools.

Congress of the United States approved that the bible in all schools.
But said nothing about the q'uran or the
Baghavad-Gita, as being approved in all schools ?

So where or do you come by that, seeing Congress said nothing of the such or approved nothing of the such.

Unless you think, that you stand above the Congress of the United States.
Which is very doubtful.

It just eat's always at you doesn't it, seeing that you don't get it your way.

No, I am quite serious. We have religious freedom. That means kids take take their religious books to school. But it *also* means the teachers and other staff can't promote their own viewpoint over any other.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No, I am quite serious. We have religious freedom. That means kids take take their religious books to school. But it *also* means the teachers and other staff can't promote their own viewpoint over any other.

Not when Congress strongly said, that it approved the Bible in all schools.
There is no where Congress as saying any about any other religious books.

Congress pacifically pointed out the bible as being approved in all schools.
And said nothing about any other religious books, as to what your trying to say.

So what if a teacher said no q'uran or Baghavad-Gita or any other religious books are not allowed in their class room, But you can bring the bible.
That teach is not breaking no law, when the United States Congress said it approved in all schools the bible.

Maybe you should read what the United States Congress signed into law. Before you go making accusations.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Ok, so give where, Congress said anything about the Bible, has not being allowed in all schools, Where is it ?

LOL! Every time a public school promotes the immoral bible from the STAFF?

It gets shot down in short order -- and is forced to back off.

No exceptions that last any length of time.

Which is good. Do you really want government to define your bible?

 

[Truly Enlightened]

You said in your above statement, ( we are talking about indoctrinating the child to believe in something that is based only in our imagination, But it is a belief that when you die, you will go to heaven or hell)

My question is not only for you, but for everyone else, Exactly how do people know for a fact, Whether people are going to heaven or hell, when they die?
Exactly how does people know what is in a person heart, to know whether or not that they may ask God to forgive them at some time in their life, how do they know this?

God will make that decision himself at his judgement bar.
That's not left up to us to make that decision, whether a person goes to heaven or hell.
I know people will say this, to someone or refer to someone, they are going to heaven or hell.
How do they know this for sure, When people has to pass before the judgement bar of God's first.

You said in your above statement ( that is based only in our imagination)
So you admit, that when you said
( In our imagination) that you do indoctrinate your children, to believe in something that is based only in your imagination.
Note you did say ( only in our imagination)

So that means, you indoctrinate your children to believe in something that is base only in your imagination.
This is what your saying.

As for your saying ( behave according to how my religiosity dictates)

Well I do not belong to any Religious organization or to any church.

Maybe before you go and make accusations or accusing someone first.
Maybe you should find out first where that person stands first.

I do know by your statement, what you were referring to, by saying,
(According to how your religiosity dictates)

So all your doing is assuming, that I belong to a religious organization or a church.
Which I do not belong to either one.

So maybe before you go assuming and making accusations and accusing someone, At lease make sure they are doing what your assuming and making accusations and accusing them of First.

You said ( Atheists love their children as much as I do, The only difference is that they will explain to their children, Why the sky is blue, Why plants leaves are green, Why we die, Why certain things are good or bad for us, or, how to solve that math, physics, or chemistry vproblem, They simply never invoke God as the answer) this is what you said above in your statement.

So actually what Atheists are doing is indoctrinating their children into their belief.

So no matter how you try to cut it, Atheists are still indoctrinating their children into what the organization of Atheists believe.

You also said ( Atheists encourage their children to use their inquisitive mind to find their own path towards enlightenment)

What you mean, is after Atheists have indoctrinated their children with what they believe.

So for say, that their children, came home one day and said,dad and mother, I'm going to church next Sunday.
Now Remember, you did say Atheists encourage their children to find their own path to enlightenment.

What you meant to say is, As long as their childrens path does not come into conflict with their path.
So their children must go by what was indoctrinated to them.

So what you and Atheists are doing, is critizing others on what they do and then you and Atheist are found in doing the same thing, indoctrinating your children.

So what's up with all that Go Figure.

"The States, the Schools and the Bible: The Equal Access Act and State Constitutional Law".

"The role of religion in society has been an ongoing source of controversy in this country. The controversy is perhaps most apparent, and most intense, when the role of religion in the public schools is considered! The constitutionality of in-class prayer, bible readings, moments of silence, and the display of the Ten Commandments have all been considered by the Supreme Court, and all were found impermissible". https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2293&context=caselrev .

Do you ever take any responsibility for your own actions? Or, should I be talking directly to your handler? Are you saying that because Atheist do what you claim they do, that it resolves you of mentally abusing your children, and causing them unnecessary hardship, not in their best interest? Prove how providing any child with objective, testable, reproducible, and fact-based answers to their questions, is in anyway an indoctrination? How would you explain to your children, why the sky is blue? Or why acid will burn them? These answers are all based in reality, not fantasy. These answers can be verified, observed, measured, and predicted. Do you also think that encouraging critical thinking in children, is tantamount to child abuse? What you and others like you fail to understand is, that it is the evidence alone that inspire the child's natural curiosity, NOT THE PARENT! What objective religious evidence can you cite that would inspire a child's curiosity? It is religious teachings that stifles curiosity in children, and turn them into mindless, rote-learned, religious automatons. If the answer to any unknown is "God did it", then there is no need for curiosity anymore. After years of early indoctrination at bible schools, bible colleges, bible camps, and religious conventions, the child learns that God's knowledge will always be greater than man's knowledge. Since there is no way a child(or anyone else) can challenge this claim, it becomes truth by default(argument from ignorance). There are other factor that can seal the child's fate(need to please, need to belong, cognitive dissonance, bandwagon personality, level of insecurity and confidence, fear of isolation and separation, positive and negative social feedback loops, and the need for approval) as he navigates his way through society. It is up to the parents to not only recognize these factors, but how and when to deal with them. It is up to the parents to provide the child with the tools to find his path. Whatever he does with these tools, is his business alone. This require a bit more insight than any scriptural readings.

I've asked you many questions, which you deflect or ignore. You, like most believers, answer questions with questions, to avoid your burden of proof. Also, only those obedient through fear, would care if they go to heaven or hell. Rational thinkers only know that when you're dead, you're dead. Anything else is simply a bonus from being dead. Your beliefs are personal. It is irrelevant if you belong to an organization or not. Finally, you are so far down the religious rabbit-hole of intellectual ignorance, that even if God Himself told you to "wake-up to yourself and use the mind I gave you", you would tell Him that " The US Congress has passed a Law(?) that all schools can have a Bible in the school". You are truly a waste of human potential, and hopefully this blind parroted behavior gene, will be deleted from the human gene pool.

 

[Faithofchristian]

"The States, the Schools and the Bible: The Equal Access Act and State Constitutional Law".

"The role of religion in society has been an ongoing source of controversy in this country. The controversy is perhaps most apparent, and most intense, when the role of religion in the public schools is considered! The constitutionality of in-class prayer, bible readings, moments of silence, and the display of the Ten Commandments have all been considered by the Supreme Court, and all were found impermissible". https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2293&context=caselrev .

Do you ever take any responsibility for your own actions? Or, should I be talking directly to your handler? Are you saying that because Atheist do what you claim they do, that it resolves you of mentally abusing your children, and causing them unnecessary hardship, not in their best interest? Prove how providing any child with objective, testable, reproducible, and fact-based answers to their questions, is in anyway an indoctrination? How would you explain to your children, why the sky is blue? Or why acid will burn them? These answers are all based in reality, not fantasy. These answers can be verified, observed, measured, and predicted. Do you also think that encouraging critical thinking in children, is tantamount to child abuse? What you and others like you fail to understand is, that it is the evidence alone that inspire the child's natural curiosity, NOT THE PARENT! What objective religious evidence can you cite that would inspire a child's curiosity? It is religious teachings that stifles curiosity in children, and turn them into mindless, rote-learned, religious automatons. If the answer to any unknown is "God did it", then there is no need for curiosity anymore. After years of early indoctrination at bible schools, bible colleges, bible camps, and religious conventions, the child learns that God's knowledge will always be greater than man's knowledge. Since there is no way a child(or anyone else) can challenge this claim, it becomes truth by default(argument from ignorance). There are other factor that can seal the child's fate(need to please, need to belong, cognitive dissonance, bandwagon personality, level of insecurity and confidence, fear of isolation and separation, positive and negative social feedback loops, and the need for approval) as he navigates his way through society. It is up to the parents to not only recognize these factors, but how and when to deal with them. It is up to the parents to provide the child with the tools to find his path. Whatever he does with these tools, is his business alone. This require a bit more insight than any scriptural readings.

I've asked you many questions, which you deflect or ignore. You, like most believers, answer questions with questions, to avoid your burden of proof. Also, only those obedient through fear, would care if they go to heaven or hell. Rational thinkers only know that when you're dead, you're dead. Anything else is simply a bonus from being dead. Your beliefs are personal. It is irrelevant if you belong to an organization or not. Finally, you are so far down the religious rabbit-hole of intellectual ignorance, that even if God Himself told you to "wake-up to yourself and use the mind I gave you", you would tell Him that " The US Congress has passed a Law(?) that all schools can have a Bible in the school". You are truly a waste of human potential, and hopefully this blind parroted behavior gene, will be deleted from the human gene pool.

Just so you know, The Supreme Court, does not make laws nor can the Supreme Court abolish any laws, that are setup by Congress or the President, The duty of the Supreme Court is to see that the Constitution is in force.

If the Supreme Court did any one of these, Then the Supreme Court over step their boundaries.
All laws of the United States are made up by Congress and the President of the United States. And not by the Supreme Court.
There are only 3 Judiciary branches that make up the laws of the United States and they are, President, Congress, Senate.
No where is the Supreme Court, is in anyway any part of those 3 Judiciary Branches that makes laws.

It is the job of the Supreme Court to see the laws are carried out and inforce.
And the Constitution is up held, and not what part of the Constitution can and can not be up held.

If any part of the Constitution is to be over turned, then it has to be taken to be voted on, and not just by the whim of the Supreme Court.

That's why whatever the Supreme Court did back, is now being found unconditional, and is being thrown out.

All because the Supreme Court over step their boundaries, of thinking they have the right to abolished any part of the Constitution, unto which the Supreme Court does not have .

Therefore when Congress establish a law saying it approved that all schools can have Bible's therein, the Supreme Court has no legal Authority to over ride what Congress as set as law. The job of the Supreme Court is to see the law is inforce. And carried out.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Just so you know, The Supreme Court, does not make laws nor can the Supreme Court abolish any laws, that are setup by Congress or the President, The duty of the Supreme Court is to see that the Constitution is in force.

If the Supreme Court did any one of these, Then the Supreme Court over step their boundaries.
All laws of the United States are made up by Congress and the President of the United States. And not by the Supreme Court.
There are only 3 Judiciary branches that make up the laws of the United States and they are, President, Congress, Senate.
No where is the Supreme Court, is in anyway any part of those 3 Judiciary Branches that makes laws.

It is the job of the Supreme Court to see the laws are carried out and inforce.
And the Constitution is up held, and not what part of the Constitution can and can not be up held.

If any part of the Constitution is to be over turned, then it has to be taken to be voted on, and not just by the whim of the Supreme Court.

That's why whatever the Supreme Court did back, is now being found unconditional, and is being thrown out.

All because the Supreme Court over step their boundaries, of thinking they have the right to abolished any part of the Constitution, unto which the Supreme Court does not have .

Therefore when Congress establish a law saying it approved that all schools can have Bible's therein, the Supreme Court has no legal Authority to over ride what Congress as set as law. The job of the Supreme Court is to see the law is inforce. And carried out.

No one has said that the Supreme Court makes Laws. Just more of your made-up delusions. I stated that the Supreme Court makes RULINGS. Although federal courts do not write or pass laws, they "may establish individual “rights” under federal law through their interpretations of federal and state laws, and the Constitution". They also can't initiate their own challenges. A Challenge must be presented to the Courts. This even include disputes between states. Another power guaranteed by the Constitution. The Supreme Court does not, "see the laws are carried out and inforce". How can it, since as you say it doesn't make Laws? Congress does not make Laws either, except if the President vetoes their Bill while they are in session. Congress makes Bills, and presents it to the President to SIGN into Law. This is not just a formality. The President is NOT part of the Judiciary, nor is the Senate and Congress(the Senate is a part of Congress, not separate). "That's why whatever the Supreme Court did back, is now being found unconditional(?), and is being thrown out". I can't begin to explain just how deranged and misleading this statement is. Maybe you could provide an example? I didn't think so.

It is becoming quite obvious that your understanding of political history, the Constitution, and your made-up version of the Judiciary, "sucks". Your knowledge of the 3 branches of Government is only a mixture of half-truths and lies. You must not be from around these parts, because no natural-born American, or critical thinker would ever make such obvious mistakes. You are just another victim of the "dumbing down" process of Religious Indoctrination, and have let your pride and ego stand in the way of personal enlightenment, or whatever human potential you were born with. It is truy sad and tragic that the innocent will be infected by your condition. They will also become arrogant, self-absorbed, self-ingratiating insecure people, that hide behind the persona of clubs and organizations, to give others the perception of their position within society. A belief in a extra-dimensional, all-powerful daddy complex may be real to you, but it is only just another way of coping with a fabricated sense of our own insignificance to me. Truly sad.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You can't be Serious

First you would have to explain exactly how you get the Q'uran or a Baghavad-Gita

As being approved by Congress, When Congress said nothing about the q'uran or a Baghavad-Gita, As being approved in the schools.

Congress of the United States approved that the bible in all schools.
But said nothing about the q'uran or the
Baghavad-Gita, as being approved in all schools ?

So where or do you come by that, seeing Congress said nothing of the such or approved nothing of the such.

Unless you think, that you stand above the Congress of the United States.
Which is very doubtful.

It just eat's always at you doesn't it, seeing that you don't get it your way.

Once again, they never approved such a law. There was no need and your version would clearly be unconstitutional and the Supreme Court can remove unconstitutional laws.

I asked you where you get these terrible misunderstandings of the laws of the land. So one more time: What was the source of this terrible misunderstanding of yours?

 

[Faithofchristian]

No one has said that the Supreme Court makes Laws. Just more of your made-up delusions. I stated that the Supreme Court makes RULINGS. Although federal courts do not write or pass laws, they "may establish individual “rights” under federal law through their interpretations of federal and state laws, and the Constitution". They also can't initiate their own challenges. A Challenge must be presented to the Courts. This even include disputes between states. Another power guaranteed by the Constitution. The Supreme Court does not, "see the laws are carried out and inforce". How can it, since as you say it doesn't make Laws? Congress does not make Laws either, except if the President vetoes their Bill while they are in session. Congress makes Bills, and presents it to the President to SIGN into Law. This is not just a formality. The President is NOT part of the Judiciary, nor is the Senate and Congress(the Senate is a part of Congress, not separate). "That's why whatever the Supreme Court did back, is now being found unconditional(?), and is being thrown out". I can't begin to explain just how deranged and misleading this statement is. Maybe you could provide an example? I didn't think so.

It is becoming quite obvious that your understanding of political history, the Constitution, and your made-up version of the Judiciary, "sucks". Your knowledge of the 3 branches of Government is only a mixture of half-truths and lies. You must not be from around these parts, because no natural-born American, or critical thinker would ever make such obvious mistakes. You are just another victim of the "dumbing down" process of Religious Indoctrination, and have let your pride and ego stand in the way of personal enlightenment, or whatever human potential you were born with. It is truy sad and tragic that the innocent will be infected by your condition. They will also become arrogant, self-absorbed, self-ingratiating insecure people, that hide behind the persona of clubs and organizations, to give others the perception of their position within society. A belief in a extra-dimensional, all-powerful daddy complex may be real to you, but it is only just another way of coping with a fabricated sense of our own insignificance to me. Truly sad.

By all means, what is so hard to interpret about.
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for the use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

So explain what is so hard to interpret or understand. When It's very explanatory.

Your not so much Truly Enlightened, As you think you are, If you can not understand what is so simple to read and understand what's so plain to see.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By all means, what is so hard to interpret about.
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for the use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

So explain what is so hard to interpret or understand. When It's very explanatory.

Your not so much Truly Enlightened, As you think you are, If you can not understand what is so simple to read and understand what's so plain to see.

That is a fake quotation. It may have come from Glenn Beck. You need to learn how to link your sources for example:


Fake Quotations: Congress on School Bibles

What should tell you that is fake is that it goes against the constitution and there is no need to make such a law since students are free to take the books of their choice with them to school.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By the way, just a little knowledge of history would have told you that that quote was a fake without even looking it up. It said that Congress passed that resolution in 1782. That would be rather difficult since the U.S. Congress was not formed until 1789:

United States Congress - Wikipedia

Please learn how to vet your sources. Don't believe them simply because you want to.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

By all means, what is so hard to interpret about.
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for the use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

So explain what is so hard to interpret or understand. When It's very explanatory.

Your not so much Truly Enlightened, As you think you are, If you can not understand what is so simple to read and understand what's so plain to see.

I think nothing of the sort about myself, otherwise I'd be just as delusional as you appear. The problem is not in the interpretation of your claim. The problem is in the integrity of your claim. You are simply wrong, and are too stupid or too stubborn to admit it. Let me demonstrate. Show me this Congressional Bill that had to pass through both houses of Congress, and be presented to the President for signing into Law? What President signed this Bill into law? Maybe you can tell me what delegate, senator or representative introduced this Bill to the First Continental Congress, or the Congress of the United States? Where can I find this Statute in the Code of Federal Regulations(CFR)? Or do you expect us to just take your word for it? Of course you can't because no such Statute exists. You have been clearly shown, by other posters, why Government can't discriminate or show any preference for one religious practice over another. I get it, since you found a lie to support your imaginary truth, you have to defend it. Once that failed, you substitute the lie with a truth claim, and argue your truth claim instead of the lie. More intellectual dishonesty, since no one is arguing if schools allow students to bring their Bibles to school. Only a moron would think that they didn't, since that would be blatant religious discrimination.

I don't expect you to think, I only expect you to react. Maybe one day you will agree, that that Congress creating and entire Law to make sure that kids receive their Bibles in public schools, is unconstitutional, unrealistic, unbelievable. But then again, this is the kind of thinking that faith can produce.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I think nothing of the sort about myself, otherwise I'd be just as delusional as you appear. The problem is not in the interpretation of your claim. The problem is in the integrity of your claim. You are simply wrong, and are too stupid or too stubborn to admit it. Let me demonstrate. Show me this Congressional Bill that had to pass through both houses of Congress, and be presented to the President for signing into Law? What President signed this Bill into law? Maybe you can tell me what delegate, senator or representative introduced this Bill to the First Continental Congress, or the Congress of the United States? Where can I find this Statute in the Code of Federal Regulations(CFR)? Or do you expect us to just take your word for it? Of course you can't because no such Statute exists. You have been clearly shown, by other posters, why Government can't discriminate or show any preference for one religious practice over another. I get it, since you found a lie to support your imaginary truth, you have to defend it. Once that failed, you substitute the lie with a truth claim, and argue your truth claim instead of the lie. More intellectual dishonesty, since no one is arguing if schools allow students to bring their Bibles to school. Only a moron would think that they didn't, since that would be blatant religious discrimination.

I don't expect you to think, I only expect you to react. Maybe one day you will agree, that that Congress creating and entire Law to make sure that kids receive their Bibles in public schools, is unconstitutional, unrealistic, unbelievable. But then again, this is the kind of thinking that faith can produce.

Well it's evidence for Congress to approved such a bill it would have to go pass the President and the Senate first.
Go Figure

You seem you can't get over the fact that this bill still stands.
I know it just eats away at you. Knowing that such a law exists, But that's how it is.

So just considered yourself as being
Truly Enlightened.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Well it's evidence for Congress to approved such a bill it would have to go pass the President and the Senate first.
Go Figure

You seem you can't get over the fact that this bill still stands.
I know it just eats away at you. Knowing that such a law exists, But that's how it is.

So just considered yourself as being
Truly Enlightened.

Uncle!!!!