Isn't it better to be atheists?

[Truly Enlightened]

Look it was Congress of the United States that sign into law, that pass this resolution
recommends and approves the Holy Bible for the use in all Schools"
United States Congress 1782.

So it doesn't matter what you say or much you jump up down and kick your feet.

The United States Congress approves the Holy Bible for this use in all Schools.
Congress 1782.

I bet that just eats away at you, now doesn't it.
Congress printed a Bible for America and said,
"The United States in Congress assembled
.... recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States.... A neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of Schools"
United States Congress 1782.

The most widely bible being used at that time, was the KJV 1611.And the schools did use the KJV 1611 Bible.
Therefore as it was sat down by the United States Congress, schools can use and students can bring the bible to their schools. And there's nothing the schools or you can do about it.

I couldn't care less if Congress commissioned the printing of Bibles, to be used by everyone from new-born babies to the elderly. Do you refute anything on the site or on the video I posted? What is your evidence. Others may come to a different concussion. What I do care about, is the rulings by the Supreme Court that protect me and my family, from grown adults demanding that rational people believe in their fantasy tales. What I do care about, is that there are no laws that protect our vulnerable children from being indoctrinated by fanatical illiterate old men. What I do care about is how Religions foster the same arrogant and elitist behavior you have demonstrated. What I do care about, is how religions breed separatism, prejudice, ignorance, contempt, and hatred. What I do care about, is how religion contributes to the "dumbing down" of Americans. What I do care about is how complacent we are becoming, to ignore the total lack of evidence supporting any God belief. What I do care about is that, even if all the religions of the world disappeared tomorrow, more would simply take their place. Religions seem to be part of the human condition, and the human culture.

What I feel is sadness for a waste of human potential. Not only that you can also believe in the impossible without any evidence, but that you also blindly defend it as well. No critical thinker could ever do this. Our Beliefs never need to be defended, but our principles do.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I couldn't care less if Congress commissioned the printing of Bibles, to be used by everyone from new-born babies to the elderly. Do you refute anything on the site or on the video I posted? What is your evidence. Others may come to a different concussion. What I do care about, is the rulings by the Supreme Court that protect me and my family, from grown adults demanding that rational people believe in their fantasy tales. What I do care about, is that there are no laws that protect our vulnerable children from being indoctrinated by fanatical illiterate old men. What I do care about is how Religions foster the same arrogant and elitist behavior you have demonstrated. What I do care about, is how religions breed separatism, prejudice, ignorance, contempt, and hatred. What I do care about, is how religion contributes to the "dumbing down" of Americans. What I do care about is how complacent we are becoming, to ignore the total lack of evidence supporting any God belief. What I do care about is that, even if all the religions of the world disappeared tomorrow, more would simply take their place. Religions seem to be part of the human condition, and the human culture.

What I feel is sadness for a waste of human potential. Not only that you can also believe in the impossible without any evidence, but that you also blindly defend it as well. No critical thinker could ever do this. Our Beliefs never need to be defended, but our principles do.

My EVIDENCE is that the United States Congress in 1782, APPROVED that All Schools can have the Bible in the Schools.

Jump up down and kick your feet all you want the law is the law, like it or not.
So you have been ( Truly Enlightened )

 

[Truly Enlightened]

What part of "I don't care" don't you understand? What religious ruling by the Supreme Court can you cite that does not protect us from people like you? "Truly Enlightened" is just a tag. I didn't believe that any rationally secure person would ever feel threatened by the name. Of course I was right.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What part of "I don't care" don't you understand? What religious ruling by the Supreme Court can you cite that does not protect us from people like you? "Truly Enlightened" is just a tag. I didn't believe that any rationally secure person would ever feel threatened by the name. Of course I was right.

I know you don't care,But what part do you not understand, That it does not change the fact, that the United States Congress approved all Schools can have the Bible in Schools.
Like I said you been ( Truly Enlightened )

 

[Truly Enlightened]

I know you don't care,But what part do you not understand, That it does not change the fact, that the United States Congress approved all Schools can have the Bible in Schools.
Like I said you been ( Truly Enlightened )

Tell me something genius. Since I totally disagree with you, in what possible way have I become enlightened? I am enlightened to the fact that there will always be people that will believe white is black, and black is white, because of their cognitive dissonance and dissociative issues. I am also Enlightened to the fact that there are still adults that seriously believe in talking animals, life from dust, an afterlife, a supernatural all-powerful father figure, a 10,000 yo Universe, two resurrections, a virgin birth, creations of kinds without similarities, and pious servitude and subjugation to an old foreign book by unknown authors. A book written, compiled, edited, interpreted, and commissioned by men, for the purpose of controlling peasants and farmers, and to standardize the different religions throughout the empire.

If I am enlightened, it is certainly not because of anything you have said. So you just keep parroting the same "debunked" religious sound-bites. Maybe if you keep saying them over and over again enough times, they will become true. What do you think?

 

[Faithofchristian]

Tell me something genius. Since I totally disagree with you, in what possible way have I become enlightened? I am enlightened to the fact that there will always be people that will believe white is black, and black is white, because of their cognitive dissonance and dissociative issues. I am also Enlightened to the fact that there are still adults that seriously believe in talking animals, life from dust, an afterlife, a supernatural all-powerful father figure, a 10,000 yo Universe, two resurrections, a virgin birth, creations of kinds without similarities, and pious servitude and subjugation to an old foreign book by unknown authors. A book written, compiled, edited, interpreted, and commissioned by men, for the purpose of controlling peasants and farmers, and to standardize the different religions throughout the empire.

If I am enlightened, it is certainly not because of anything you have said. So you just keep parroting the same "debunked" religious sound-bites. Maybe if you keep saying them over and over again enough times, they will become true. What do you think?

What I think, is that the United States Congress made it law that schools are approved to have the Bible in Schools. Thats not what I only think, but my kids are happy to take their Bible to school for a book report. And speak on it before their school class, that will Truly Enlightened the whole school class.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What I think, is that the United States Congress made it law that schools are approved to have the Bible in Schools. Thats not what I only think, but my kids are happy to take their Bible to school for a book report. And speak on it before their school class, that will Truly Enlightened the whole school class.

How could they make such a law without violating the First Amendment? You do realize that it would be illegal to advocate just your book of myths, don't you?

 

[Altfish]

What I think, is that the United States Congress made it law that schools are approved to have the Bible in Schools. Thats not what I only think, but my kids are happy to take their Bible to school for a book report. And speak on it before their school class, that will Truly Enlightened the whole school class.

I do find it funny that the kids, almost like a protest, take their Bibles into school, to show their faith.
When I was at school we didn't take Bibles, but the latest rock album, dubious comics, sci-fi books. There was a Bible Club but very few went and you wouldn't want to be seen going for fear of the ribbing you'd get.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

What I think, is that the United States Congress made it law that schools are approved to have the Bible in Schools. Thats not what I only think, but my kids are happy to take their Bible to school for a book report. And speak on it before their school class, that will Truly Enlightened the whole school class.

Bible have never been prohibited-- by the students.

What you can't seem to get past your biased (and false) worldview? Is that teachers and administrators are prohibited from passing out bibles, or promoting bibles or similar activities.

As should be the case--- do you really want the Government deciding which version of the 1000's of different versions of the bible, that your kid is indoctrinated with?

I bet you do not!

And speak on it before their school class, that will Truly Enlightened the whole school class.

I bet that event was a well attended as trump's inauguration-- only the already indoctrinated would be "enlightened"... everyone else will be bored out of their minds.

Or if they are rational? They'd be utterly disgusted at the Bronze Age Practices of slavery, women-as-property, genocide, infanticide, war brides, and worse....

In truth, much of the bible would get an NC17 rating, if people were honest about what it actually said.

Of course-- few believers of the bible have read the thing through-and-through....

Enlightened: Indeed-- it was study of the bible that has made me into the atheist I am today.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Bible have never been prohibited-- by the students.

What you can't seem to get past your biased (and false) worldview? Is that teachers and administrators are prohibited from passing out bibles, or promoting bibles or similar activities.

As should be the case--- do you really want the Government deciding which version of the 1000's of different versions of the bible, that your kid is indoctrinated with?

I bet you do not!



I bet that event was a well attended as trump's inauguration-- only the already indoctrinated would be "enlightened"... everyone else will be bored out of their minds.

Or if they are rational? They'd be utterly disgusted at the Bronze Age Practices of slavery, women-as-property, genocide, infanticide, war brides, and worse....

In truth, much of the bible would get an NC17 rating, if people were honest about what it actually said.

Of course-- few believers of the bible have read the thing through-and-through....

Enlightened: Indeed-- it was study of the bible that has made me into the atheist I am today.

That's all you say. But that doesn't cancel out, Congress approved that all schools can not prohibit kids from bringing their Bible's to school. As my kids have been doing, since Congress approved Bible's in the schools, isn't that just Great

 

[Subduction Zone]

That's all you say. But that doesn't cancel out, Congress approved that all schools can not prohibit kids from bringing their Bible's to school. As my kids have been doing, since Congress approved Bible's in the schools, isn't that just Great

I see, the problem is that you are totally ignorant of the Constitution. First off I am all but certain that Congress did not approve such a bill. The reason that they would not approve it is because it would be pointless. It was already legal for school children to carry their own Bibles.

What sort of sites do you go to to get these terribly ignorant ideas from?

 

[Faithofchristian]

I do find it funny that the kids, almost like a protest, take their Bibles into school, to show their faith.
When I was at school we didn't take Bibles, but the latest rock album, dubious comics, sci-fi books. There was a Bible Club but very few went and you wouldn't want to be seen going for fear of the ribbing you'd get.

Yeah, isn't it great, kids take their bible to school to show they are not afraid to take their Bible to school, to stand up for what they believe in, that is totally awesome.

 

[Altfish]

Yeah, isn't it great, kids take their bible to school to show they are not afraid to take their Bible to school, to stand up for what they believe in, that is totally awesome.

Totally indoctrinated, you mean.
We were independent, you didn't take albums people knew well, you took albums no one had heard off. to show a free spirit, an independent mind.
If (say) Dark Side of the Moon was the trendy album, no one would carry it round. I wouldn't carry anything that my elders had told me to carry...what ever happened to rebellion.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

What I think, is that the United States Congress made it law that schools are approved to have the Bible in Schools. Thats not what I only think, but my kids are happy to take their Bible to school for a book report. And speak on it before their school class, that will Truly Enlightened the whole school class.

Our entire discourse began with me stating that because of the "Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment, we are not only guaranteed freedom OF religion, but also freedom FROM religion. I pointed out why I felt this way, and "debunked" any religious intent by our Government. I also demonstrated and provided examples of earlier and current rulings by our Supreme Court supporting my claim. Despite all the mountain of evidence and common sense supporting my claim, you continue to sound like a manic stuck record, or a child with his fingers in his ears screaming, "Na, Na,NaNa, Na". It is clear that you just don't want to know.

When you stated that your innocent children were taking their bibles to class, to become the beacon of enlightenment for the whole class, I shed a tear for their future. You have been so busy indoctrinating and preparing them for death, that you have taken away the freedom to choose their own path. Children instinctively will trust adults, but can't choose which adults to trust. I remember in Jr. High School I stood up in science class and asked the teacher discussing human reproduction, "where does the stork come in?". This was the beginning of my science career. Maybe this will happen for your kids, in spite of everything you do to stop it. Will they also end any discourse(like you) as a broken record whenever challenged? Or, will they just become arrogant self-absorbed outcasts like yourself? YOU ARE NOT YOUR KIDS. YOU CAN'T LIVE YOUR LIFE THROUGH THEIRS. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR LIFE. Don't you think that you should have at least ONE objective verifiable piece of evidence supporting your Belief, before you try to force it down their throats? Are you so insecure that you have to infect the ones you love, before they can experience life enough to think for themselves? Please, at least wait until they are old enough to make up their own minds. Why would you purposely stigmatize them, or stunt their mental and intellectual growth in this modern age of discovery? Society is tough enough to survive in, don't give them your ignorance as their strength.

Science will eventually explain more and more natural phenomena. The more knowledge and facts we discover, the less faith and belief we need to depend on. Faith is based only on ignorance and the lack of any evidence. The more ignorant you are, the more faith and little evidence you need. But in your case, faith is defended by ignorance. Maybe one day you will realize that people will respect your beliefs, but will follow the science.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Our entire discourse began with me stating that because of the "Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment, we are not only guaranteed freedom OF religion, but also freedom FROM religion. I pointed out why I felt this way, and "debunked" any religious intent by our Government. I also demonstrated and provided examples of earlier and current rulings by our Supreme Court supporting my claim. Despite all the mountain of evidence and common sense supporting my claim, you continue to sound like a manic stuck record, or a child with his fingers in his ears screaming, "Na, Na,NaNa, Na". It is clear that you just don't want to know.

When you stated that your innocent children were taking their bibles to class, to become the beacon of enlightenment for the whole class, I shed a tear for their future. You have been so busy indoctrinating and preparing them for death, that you have taken away the freedom to choose their own path. Children instinctively will trust adults, but can't choose which adults to trust. I remember in Jr. High School I stood up in science class and asked the teacher discussing human reproduction, "where does the stork come in?". This was the beginning of my science career. Maybe this will happen for your kids, in spite of everything you do to stop it. Will they also end any discourse(like you) as a broken record whenever challenged? Or, will they just become arrogant self-absorbed outcasts like yourself? YOU ARE NOT YOUR KIDS. YOU CAN'T LIVE YOUR LIFE THROUGH THEIRS. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CONTROL THEIR LIFE. Don't you think that you should have at least ONE objective verifiable piece of evidence supporting your Belief, before you try to force it down their throats? Are you so insecure that you have to infect the ones you love, before they can experience life enough to think for themselves? Please, at least wait until they are old enough to make up their own minds. Why would you purposely stigmatize them, or stunt their mental and intellectual growth in this modern age of discovery? Society is tough enough to survive in, don't give them your ignorance as their strength.

Science will eventually explain more and more natural phenomena. The more knowledge and facts we discover, the less faith and belief we need to depend on. Faith is based only on ignorance or the lack of evidence. The more ignorant you are, the more faith and little evidence you need. But in your case, faith is defended by ignorance. Maybe one day you will realize that people will respect your beliefs, but will follow the science.

For your information, my children are old enough to make their own decisions in life, for themselves.
Because other kids picks on them, just makes my kids the more determine to take their Bible's to school.
Just to show they are not controlled by what other will say. That they have a mind of their own, than to let others dictate to them to control what they can and can not do.

Do you let others dictate to control you, chances is, you don't, then why is it so wrong for others not to let others dictate,control them, what they can and can not do ?
But you say, they were indoctrinated, so you were indoctrinated, to believe in what you believe.
Everyone in some way or another are indoctrinated in some form or another.

If a child is raised in a home that their parents are atheists, so that child is indoctrinated into atheist at a young age, are they not.

I work with a guy who is atheist and his wife are atheist and have kids, So what do you suppose in which way they will raise their kids, Atheists or Religious ?

So being Indoctrinated can and does work both ways, So it becomes a two-way street.and not a one street, as you suppose it is.
But you chose, to be one sided and not look at the over all picture from both angles, How Indoctrinated can and does work both ways.

Therefore you can not condemn one being indoctrinated, without condemning the other being indoctrinated, At a young age.

So What's up with all that Go Figure?

 

[Truly Enlightened]

For your information, my children are old enough to make their own decisions in life, for themselves.
Because other kids picks on them, just makes my kids the more determine to take their Bible's to school.
Just to show they are not controlled by what other will say. That they have a mind of their own, than to let others dictate to them to control what they can and can not do.

Do you let others dictate to control you, chances is, you don't, then why is it so wrong for others not to let others dictate,control them, what they can and can not do ?
But you say, they were indoctrinated, so you were indoctrinated, to believe in what you believe.
Everyone in some way or another are indoctrinated in some form or another.

If a child is raised in a home that their parents are atheists, so that child is indoctrinated into atheist at a young age, are they not.

I work with a guy who is atheist and his wife are atheist and have kids, So what do you suppose in which way they will raise their kids, Atheists or Religious ?

So being Indoctrinated can and does work both ways, So it becomes a two-way street.and not a one street, as you suppose it is.
But you chose, to be one sided and not look at the over all picture from both angles, How Indoctrinated can and does work both ways.

Therefore you can not condemn one being indoctrinated, without condemning the other being indoctrinated, At a young age.

So What's up with all that Go Figure?

This might come as a surprise to you, but we are not talking about encouraging a child to to believe in anything that is based in our physical reality(which can be verified). We are talking about indoctrinating the child to believe in something that is based only in our imagination. It is not a belief that you will die if you jump out of a 5 story window. But, it is a belief that when you die you will go to heaven or hell. Do you even bother to contrast other religions beliefs to your children? Do you provide your children with objective evidence to justify your own belief? No you don't. You simply jump on the bandwagon of collective ignorance, and behave according to how your religiosity dictates, like a mindless drone. It is the inquisitive nature of the minds of children, that is our best hope for the future. If our kids can only think like you, we have no future.

Atheists love their children as much as you do. The difference is that they will explain to their children why the sky is blue? Why plants leaves are green? Why we die? Why certain things are good or bad for us. Or, how to solve that math, physics, or chemistry problem. They simply never invoke God as the answer to any natural phenomenon. They also never invoke God in place of "I just don't know". An Atheist family will focus on the child's strengths, not their weaknesses. They will focus on the childs 5 cognitive development, not their religious beliefs. Atheist encourage their children to use their inquisitive mind to find their own path towards enlightenment, and to never give up thinking for themselves. Atheist parents make the child responsible for their actions, and NOT GOD. We are satisfied with any small role we have played in our children's journey in life. We simply set the limits, and watch the child do the rest. Being a responsible parent is to know what is in the best interest of the child, not what is in YOUR best interest. Of course, a certain level of maturity is necessary to know what the difference is.

Believers know that they can never justify their beliefs. Therefore, they must start their indoctrination early in the child's development, before they can even understand the nonsense they are being feed. What the child becomes does not depend on what the family belief system or position is. There are just far too many variables. If a child becomes a believer from an Atheist family, at least it will be of his own choice and free will. But for the vast majority of religious families, the child doesn't stand a chance. Any religious indoctrination of helpless and vulnerable children, is simply mental child abuse. Since you are not an atheist(not that it matters), you don't have a clue what goes on in their family. But to assert your opinions as a truth claim to justify your actions, only affirms my belief that absolutely anyone can become a parent.

 

[Faithofchristian]

This might come as a surprise to you, but we are not talking about encouraging a child to to believe in anything that is based in our physical reality(which can be verified). We are talking about indoctrinating the child to believe in something that is based only in our imagination. It is not a belief that you will die if you jump out of a 5 story window. But, it is a belief that when you die you will go to heaven or hell. Do you even bother to contrast other religions beliefs to your children? Do you provide your children with objective evidence to justify your own belief? No you don't. You simply jump on the bandwagon of collective ignorance, and behave according to how your religiosity dictates, like a mindless drone. It is the inquisitive nature of the minds of children, that is our best hope for the future. If our kids can only think like you, we have no future.

Atheists love their children as much as you do. The difference is that they will explain to their children why the sky is blue? Why plants leaves are green? Why we die? Why certain things are good or bad for us. Or, how to solve that math, physics, or chemistry problem. They simply never invoke God as the answer to any natural phenomenon. They also never invoke God in place of "I just don't know". An Atheist family will focus on the child's strengths, not their weaknesses. They will focus on the childs 5 cognitive development, not their religious beliefs. Atheist encourage their children to use their inquisitive mind to find their own path towards enlightenment, and to never give up thinking for themselves. Atheist parents make the child responsible for their actions, and NOT GOD. We are satisfied with any small role we have played in our children's journey in life. We simply set the limits, and watch the child do the rest. Being a responsible parent is to know what is in the best interest of the child, not what is in YOUR best interest. Of course, a certain level of maturity is necessary to know what the difference is.

Believers know that they can never justify their beliefs. Therefore, they must start their indoctrination early in the child's development, before they can even understand the nonsense they are being feed. What the child becomes does not depend on what the family belief system or position is. There are just far too many variables. If a child becomes a believer from an Atheist family, at least it will be of his own choice and free will. But for the vast majority of religious families, the child doesn't stand a chance. Any religious indoctrination of helpless and vulnerable children, is simply mental child abuse. Since you are not an atheist(not that it matters), you don't have a clue what goes on in their family. But to assert your opinions as a truth claim to justify your actions, only affirms my belief that absolutely anyone can become a parent.

You said in your above statement, ( we are talking about indoctrinating the child to believe in something that is based only in our imagination, But it is a belief that when you die, you will go to heaven or hell)

My question is not only for you, but for everyone else, Exactly how do people know for a fact, Whether people are going to heaven or hell, when they die?
Exactly how does people know what is in a person heart, to know whether or not that they may ask God to forgive them at some time in their life, how do they know this?

God will make that decision himself at his judgement bar.
That's not left up to us to make that decision, whether a person goes to heaven or hell.
I know people will say this, to someone or refer to someone, they are going to heaven or hell.
How do they know this for sure, When people has to pass before the judgement bar of God's first.

You said in your above statement ( that is based only in our imagination)
So you admit, that when you said
( In our imagination) that you do indoctrinate your children, to believe in something that is based only in your imagination.
Note you did say ( only in our imagination)

So that means, you indoctrinate your children to believe in something that is base only in your imagination.
This is what your saying.

As for your saying ( behave according to how my religiosity dictates)

Well I do not belong to any Religious organization or to any church.

Maybe before you go and make accusations or accusing someone first.
Maybe you should find out first where that person stands first.

I do know by your statement, what you were referring to, by saying,
(According to how your religiosity dictates)

So all your doing is assuming, that I belong to a religious organization or a church.
Which I do not belong to either one.

So maybe before you go assuming and making accusations and accusing someone, At lease make sure they are doing what your assuming and making accusations and accusing them of First.

You said ( Atheists love their children as much as I do, The only difference is that they will explain to their children, Why the sky is blue, Why plants leaves are green, Why we die, Why certain things are good or bad for us, or, how to solve that math, physics, or chemistry vproblem, They simply never invoke God as the answer) this is what you said above in your statement.

So actually what Atheists are doing is indoctrinating their children into their belief.

So no matter how you try to cut it, Atheists are still indoctrinating their children into what the organization of Atheists believe.

You also said ( Atheists encourage their children to use their inquisitive mind to find their own path towards enlightenment)

What you mean, is after Atheists have indoctrinated their children with what they believe.

So for say, that their children, came home one day and said,dad and mother, I'm going to church next Sunday.
Now Remember, you did say Atheists encourage their children to find their own path to enlightenment.

What you meant to say is, As long as their childrens path does not come into conflict with their path.
So their children must go by what was indoctrinated to them.

So what you and Atheists are doing, is critizing others on what they do and then you and Atheist are found in doing the same thing, indoctrinating your children.

So what's up with all that Go Figure.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

That's all you say. But that doesn't cancel out, Congress approved that all schools can not prohibit kids from bringing their Bible's to school. As my kids have been doing, since Congress approved Bible's in the schools, isn't that just Great

Great? If you say so. Your post 100% ignores my post, but that's okay.... you appear to ignore a great deal of facts.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Great? If you say so. Your post 100% ignores my post, but that's okay.... you appear to ignore a great deal of facts.

Well when you have Congress made it, that the bible is approved in all schools, that is fact. But it appears you ignore great idea of facts yourself .

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

Well when you have Congress made it, that the bible is approved in all schools, that is fact. But it appears you ignore great idea of facts yourself .

*sigh* you can continue to make up lies all you like-- and repeat those same lies over and over -- but it won't make them less false.

You've been shown-- multiple times, and with the patience of the proverbial Job -- that you are wrong, here.

Have A Nice Day. You are a credit to your false beliefs.