Isn't it better to be atheists?

[shunyadragon]

Actually I am going to be wondering how her husband found us.

From my poem I prefer . . .

What is a Good Way to Die?

Damn!
The moment of death is bleak,
It comes and goes in a blink.
It is the moment before to savor,
While you’re still pink.

Some burn lightly,
Some burn brightly,
Some burn both ends,
With others it is a bonfire to go.

Maybe, while in the pink,
I would prefer to be 104,
leaping out my lover’s window,
shot by the husband at the door!

 

[Trailblazer]

Thanks for sharing. My upbringing was not that hard in a physical sense; although we were not well off, we had food and clothing and shelter. It was the emotional connection to the parents that was lacking, as they were not emotionally available or supportive. Then my father died suddenly of a heart attack when I was 12 years old and my sister and I were left with my mother who started drinking heavily after that. I do not remember a lot of childhood, I do not know exactly what went wrong or when, but I know I had a lot of deficits as a result.

You must appreciate all that you have given what you went through to get it. I was fortunate to have my first four years of college paid for because I had social security from my father’s death and I had an inheritance from an aunt who had no children, so left us money for college. But after I got my BA degree I went for an MA and I had to work my way through that program, and about 15 years later I decided to go back to school again and get a second MA degree and I had to work my way through that program as well. I was never good in science subjects; my college degrees are in geography and Counseling Psychology. I also have a D.Hom degree in Homeopathic Medicine. I have only ever used my Geography degree as I have been a Cartographer for my whole career, except for the eight years I got demoted due to state budget cuts. I had my own business as a Counselor for about a year but I finally gave p because I had too many things going on in my life back then that prevented that from working out.

I look forward to a slower pace of life if I ever retire. My job is not stressful at all, but having rental homes and many cats can be stressful. I do not want to complicate my life any more than it is complicated which is why I do not commit to any outside activities and spend most of my free time on forums. I really like talking to people on forums and I learn so much about people and what they believe and disbelieve. Psychology is my other hat, one I wore a lot longer than my religion hat.

As a believer I believe it is the human soul that differentiates man from the other animals, and it is the soul that makes us able to have abstract thought, unlike other animals. I talk to a lot of nonbelievers and the one is the owner of a forum I frequent who is a college professor in Physics, a PhD. He is an atheist so he has a lot of the same views you have about life and death and the purpose of life. As a believer, I do not believe that the purpose of life is to have children and survive long enough to pass on our genetic information. That is one purpose of life, but not the only one, not the primary one. To know and love God is the purpose for which we were created. We can only know God through the Prophets/ Messengers of God which Baha’is refer to as Manifestations of God. I do not know about loving God, as that is not something I have been able to do yet.

I do not believe in an afterlife because I am afraid of death but rather because I believe in my religion that states that there is an afterlife. Also, there is other evidence from NDEs and spirit communications. We are just different in the way we think, I find that interesting and do not think it should be a cause of division or discord between people.

Our purpose is not to prepare for death. If it were, nature would be a trickster, giving life for the purpose of taking it away. It is our personal genes that decides what our personality traits will be. The only free will we have is to exercise "free won't". Just imagine how the human psyche would develop if we did not restrict the expression of these traits. How much insecurities, doubts, uncertainties, and beliefs would be abolished, and replaced with more positive attributes?

That would be true if nature gave us life. I believe it is the soul that animates the body and gives it life. The soul is a sign of God, and etc. So I believe our primary purpose here is to prepare the soul to continue on its eternal journey.

I personally believe that a universal subjectivity must be maintained at all times for reality to exist. Even after death. But this is only my belief, and I certainly don't go around making truth claims about my unfalsifiable belief. I simply keep it to myself.

Sorry, I did not understand what you meant by universal subjectivity and even after death. I do not make truth claims about my religion, I only say “I believe” it is true. There is a difference.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

I did read your post #522, which you said, the Constitution gives us freedom of Religion, but also freedom from religion,
This is false,

The Constitution does not say,freedom from religion.
The Supreme Court, made the decision, to say,
( freedom from religion). Which is a misinterpretation of the Constitution. Which anyone with any knowledge of the founding fathers would know exactly what the
1st amendment to the Constitution does mean and stand for.
But seeing how Liberals, can not accept God, the Liberal Supreme Court ruled, to interpret the Constitution their way and not the way the founding fathers had it.
If Liberals had it their way, they definitely would destroy the Constitution.
Even Obama hated the Constitution, all because it stood in his way of having a Dictatorship Government


Which the founding fathers said nothing of the such, had you any knowledge about those days of the founding fathers, They all had one Religion in mind. Which was Christianity. So the founding fathers went to establish that the people would have freedom of religion, to practice Christianity the way they chosen, without any interference from Congress.
The first President George Washington attended church every Sunday, as did the other founding fathers.
Therefore upon Thomas Jefferson writing the Declaration of Independence, Had God being made mention of throughout the
Declaration of Independence, Which all the founding fathers ratified.

So therefore seeing the founding fathers ratified the Declaration of Independence, having God being made mention in it,
that means that the founding fathers, knew exactly what the 1st amendment to the Constitution was intended for and ment.
Freedom of Religion.

First of all you did not say anything about the Supreme Court.
Before you said anything about the Constitution, you should have said the Supreme Court ruling said this or that.

I did read your post #522, which you said, the Constitution gives us freedom of Religion, but also freedom from religion,
This is false,

The Constitution does not say,freedom from religion.
The Supreme Court, made the decision, to say,
( freedom from religion). Which is a misinterpretation of the Constitution. Which anyone with any knowledge of the founding fathers would know exactly what the
1st amendment to the Constitution does mean and stand for.
But seeing how Liberals, can not accept God, the Liberal Supreme Court ruled, to interpret the Constitution their way and not the way the founding fathers had it.
If Liberals had it their way, they definitely would destroy the Constitution.
Even Obama hated the Constitution, all because it stood in his way of having a Dictatorship Government


Which the founding fathers said nothing of the such, had you any knowledge about those days of the founding fathers, They all had one Religion in mind. Which was Christianity. So the founding fathers went to establish that the people would have freedom of religion, to practice Christianity the way they chosen, without any interference from Congress.
The first President George Washington attended church every Sunday, as did the other founding fathers.
Therefore upon Thomas Jefferson writing the Declaration of Independence, Had God being made mention of throughout the
Declaration of Independence, Which all the founding fathers ratified.

So therefore seeing the founding fathers ratified the Declaration of Independence, having God being made mention in it,
that means that the founding fathers, knew exactly what the 1st amendment to the Constitution was intended for and ment.
Freedom of Religion.

First of all you did not say anything about the Supreme Court.
Before you said anything about the Constitution, you should have said the Supreme Court ruling said this or that.

The Declaration of Independence is only a statement that proclaims that the 13 colonies were independent, and no longer under British rule. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, and it was edited(not ratified) by the Continental Congress. The Congress unanimously adopted the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution is the basis of the U.S. government. It was written by a convention of all the states(colonies), to propose new changes to the new government. The Constitution is the supreme law of the country. It is protected and interpreted by the Justices of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court IS the highest court in the land. It is the Constitution that established the Supreme Court. Why would a Harvard professor in Constitutional Law, hate Constitutional Law? Do you think that the US could ever become a dictatorship, even without a Constitution? No, just more latent bigotry. Our founding fathers were mostly Deist. Deists argue that it is human experience and rationality, rather than religious dogma and mystery, that determines the validity of human beliefs. It they were anything like you, our country would become like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Jordan, and Egypt. A total Theocracy, Which would give old men a false sense of power, purpose, and importance, to enslave the rest.

You should really look at the consistency of decisions by the court. Not simply parroting religious sound-bites, while closing your eyes and covering your ears. Try looking at the facts, and not blinded by your belief. List of United States Supreme Court cases involving the First Amendment - Wikipedia Pay close attention to "McCollum v. Board of Education". What are your thoughts? Do you think that the court's decision was not aimed at protecting those without any religious affiliation from being persecuted by those that do? You should also look at the decisions made by the court in "Edwards v. Aquillard", and "Epperson v. Arkansas", for a more general perspective of how the "Establishment Clause" was interpreted. There are 583 volumes of decisions made by the Supreme Court(up to Jan. 2017), maybe you can find one "establishment clause" religion-related decision, that does not protect us FROM religion?

It is ironic that if your religions actually practiced the social and religious tolerance that it claims it does, none of these decisions would have ever been made. But religion is an insidious disease that wants to spread and absorb every mind in its path(starting with the very young). If it didn't stigmatise, threaten, marginalize, ostracized, and discriminate against others(kids, critical thinker, and our education system), none of these challenges would ever have been brought before the court. Please read what the "Establishment Clause of the First Amendment means, and then compare it to the "Lemon test"(Alton Lemon). You might then have a better understanding of how the Constitution is protected and can evolve.

Our Founding fathers personal beliefs and practices are irrelevant. It is the documents they produce that is relevant. But like all one-dimensional thinkers threatened with the loss of their supernatural security blanket, you are forced to click your heels together 3 times while repeating "There is no truth but God's truth", to make the threat disappear. Eventually the gene pool will realize its mistake, and correct it.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Declaration of Independence is only a statement that proclaims that the 13 colonies were independent, and no longer under British rule. Thomas Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence, and it was edited(not ratified) by the Continental Congress. The Congress unanimously adopted the Declaration of Independence. The Constitution is the basis of the U.S. government. It was written by a convention of all the states(colonies), to propose new changes to the new government. The Constitution is the supreme law of the country. It is protected and interpreted by the Justices of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court IS the highest court in the land. It is the Constitution that established the Supreme Court. Why would a Harvard professor in Constitutional Law, hate Constitutional Law? Do you think that the US could ever become a dictatorship, even without a Constitution? No, just more latent bigotry. Our founding fathers were mostly Deist. Deists argue that it is human experience and rationality, rather than religious dogma and mystery, that determines the validity of human beliefs. It they were anything like you, our country would become like Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and Jordan, and Egypt. A total Theocracy, Which would give old men a false sense of power, purpose, and importance, to enslave the rest.

You should really look at the consistency of decisions by the court. Not simply parroting religious sound-bites, while closing your eyes and covering your ears. Try looking at the facts, and not blinded by your belief. List of United States Supreme Court cases involving the First Amendment - Wikipedia Pay close attention to "McCollum v. Board of Education". What are your thoughts? Do you think that the court's decision was not aimed at protecting those without any religious affiliation from being persecuted by those that do? You should also look at the decisions made by the court in "Edwards v. Aquillard", and "Epperson v. Arkansas", for a more general perspective of how the "Establishment Clause" was interpreted. There are 583 volumes of decisions made by the Supreme Court(up to Jan. 2017), maybe you can find one "establishment clause" religion-related decision, that does not protect us FROM religion?

It is ironic that if your religions actually practiced the social and religious tolerance that it claims it does, none of these decisions would have ever been made. But religion is an insidious disease that wants to spread and absorb every mind in its path(starting with the very young). If it didn't stigmatise, threaten, marginalize, ostracized, and discriminate against others(kids, critical thinker, and our education system), none of these challenges would ever have been brought before the court. Please read what the "Establishment Clause of the First Amendment means, and then compare it to the "Lemon test"(Alton Lemon). You might then have a better understanding of how the Constitution is protected and can evolve.

Our Founding fathers personal beliefs and practices are irrelevant. It is the documents they produce that is relevant. But like all one-dimensional thinkers threatened with the loss of their supernatural security blanket, you are forced to click your heels together 3 times while repeating "There is no truth but God's truth", to make the threat disappear. Eventually the gene pool will realize its mistake, and correct it.

Nope but on the contrary, when the founding fathers put forth the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they had God in mind, anyone with common sense can see that, by Thomas Jefferson putting God into the Declaration of Independence.That the founding fathers did agree on.
Then you say, the founding fathers personal beliefs and practices are irrelevant, Unto which they are not, had their personal beliefs and practices we're irrelevant, Then they would not have put God into the Declaration of Independence.

Upon seeing that they have God mention in the Declaration of Independence, says it all.
Just because you can not handle the fact, that the founding fathers had a belief and practice their belief in God.

George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343
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No one can deny that many of the founding fathers of the United States of America were men of deep religious convictions based in the Bible and faith in Jesus Christ. Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.

These Christian quotes of the founding fathers on religion will give you an overview of their strong moral and spiritual convictions which helped form the foundations of our nation and our government.

16 Founding Fathers' Quotes
George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.



"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty...

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God?

That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever..."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Nope but on the contrary, when the founding fathers put forth the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they had God in mind, anyone with common sense can see that, by Thomas Jefferson putting God into the Declaration of Independence.That the founding fathers did agree on.
Then you say, the founding fathers personal beliefs and practices are irrelevant, Unto which they are not, had their personal beliefs and practices we're irrelevant, Then they would not have put God into the Declaration of Independence.

Upon seeing that they have God mention in the Declaration of Independence, says it all.
Just because you can not handle the fact, that the founding fathers had a belief and practice their belief in God.

George Washington
1st U.S. President
"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343
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Quotes of the Founding Fathers on Religion
Hear the Founding Fathers on Christianity, Faith, Jesus, and the Bible

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by Mary Fairchild
Updated May 17, 2017


No one can deny that many of the founding fathers of the United States of America were men of deep religious convictions based in the Bible and faith in Jesus Christ. Of the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence, nearly half (24) held seminary or Bible school degrees.

These Christian quotes of the founding fathers on religion will give you an overview of their strong moral and spiritual convictions which helped form the foundations of our nation and our government.

16 Founding Fathers' Quotes
George Washington
1st U.S. President

"While we are zealously performing the duties of good citizens and soldiers, we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of religion. To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest glory to add the more distinguished character of Christian."
--The Writings of Washington, pp. 342-343.

John Adams
2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, p. 9.



"The general principles, on which the Fathers achieved independence, were the only Principles in which that beautiful Assembly of young Gentlemen could Unite, and these Principles only could be intended by them in their address, or by me in my answer. And what were these general Principles? I answer, the general Principles of Christianity, in which all these Sects were United: And the general Principles of English and American Liberty...

"Now I will avow, that I then believe, and now believe, that those general Principles of Christianity, are as eternal and immutable, as the Existence and Attributes of God; and that those Principles of Liberty, are as unalterable as human Nature and our terrestrial, mundane System."
--Adams wrote this on June 28, 1813, excerpt from a letter to Thomas Jefferson.

"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epoch in the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the Day of Deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires and illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this time forward forever."
--Adams wrote this in a letter to his wife, Abigail, on July 3, 1776.

Thomas Jefferson
3rd U.S. President, Drafter and Signer of the Declaration of Independence

"God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God?

That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever..."
--Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, p. 237.

"I am a real Christian – that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus Christ."
--The Writings of Thomas Jefferson, p. 385.

Why all the straw man? Why all the cherry-picking, and selective reading. Who cares what our founding father's beliefs or practices were? These men are not noted for their beliefs, religion, or practices, they're noted in history for their contribution to the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. No one is arguing whether they were religious or not. I gave you rational reasons supported by facts, decisions, and simple logic, to explain why the Constitution would also give us the freedom FROM religions and why. No rational person could possibly argue with that position. You've ignored almost everything I said, to deposit, "if they were religious, then the constitution is religious, and we all should be religious". This is a kind of tunnel-logic created by the victims of pure dogmatism.

There is no way for you to escape your own self-imposed prison of ignorance, so I'm simply wasting my time. It is best that you keep preaching to the choir, and never venture into the world of critical thinkers. It will save us both unnecessary embarrassment.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Why all the straw man? Why all the cherry-picking, and selective reading. Who cares what our founding father's beliefs or practices were? These men are not noted for their beliefs, religion, or practices, they're noted in history for their contribution to the Declaration of Independence, and the Constitution. No one is arguing whether they were religious or not. I gave you rational reasons supported by facts, decisions, and simple logic, to explain why the Constitution would also give us the freedom FROM religions and why. No rational person could possibly argue with that position. You've ignored almost everything I said, to deposit, "if they were religious, then the constitution is religious, and we all should be religious". This is a kind of tunnel-logic created by the victims of pure dogmatism.

There is no way for you to escape your own self-imposed prison of ignorance, so I'm simply wasting my time. It is best that you keep preaching to the choir, and never venture into the world of critical thinkers. It will save us both unnecessary embarrassment.

The original document of the Constitution and declaration of Independence which the founding fathers signed, had in no way the separation of church and State. Nor did they intend it.
Otherwise the founding fathers would be going against what they believed and the people of that day.

That's like saying Atheists would signed a document, which stood against religions and the belief in God, but yet you would expect people to believe, oh that's not Atheists ment, they ment they were for religions and the belief in God.
You can't be Serious.

Tell you what, you come up with a document that supports the belief in God and take it out to Atheists and see just how many Atheists you get to sign it. You will not get one Atheists to sign it. And if they do, then they are going against what they themselves believe.

Therefore the founding fathers would not signed any document that would go against what they believed in nor the people of that day. Otherwise the people of that would come up against them, then the founding fathers wouldn't just have great Britain to fight, but also the people of that day also.

Like I said, you put forth a document that supports in everyway of God and take it out and see just how many Atheists you can get to sign it.
If Atheists did sign it, they would not just be going against themselves but also every Atheist around.
But yet you would except people to believe that the founding fathers would do this very thing. Sign the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, knowing it goes against the very thing they and the people of that day believe in God.
You can't be Serious.

 

[shunyadragon]

The original document of the Constitution and declaration of Independence which the founding fathers signed, had in no way the separation of church and State. Nor did they intend it.
Otherwise the founding fathers would be going against what they believed and the people of that day.

That's like saying Atheists would signed a document, which stood against religions and the belief in God, but yet you would expect people to believe, oh that's not Atheists ment, they ment they were for religions and the belief in God.
You can't be Serious.

Tell you what, you come up with a document that supports the belief in God and take it out to Atheists and see just how many Atheists you get to sign it. You will not get one Atheists to sign it. And if they do, then they are going against what they themselves believe.

Therefore the founding fathers would not signed any document that would go against what they believed in nor the people of that day. Otherwise the people of that would come up against them, then the founding fathers wouldn't just have great Britain to fight, but also the people of that day also.

Like I said, you put forth a document that supports in everyway of God and take it out and see just how many Atheists you can get to sign it.
If Atheists did sign it, they would not just be going against themselves but also every Atheist around.
But yet you would except people to believe that the founding fathers would do this very thing. Sign the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, knowing it goes against the very thing they and the people of that day believe in God.
You can't be Serious.

Very serious! Your accusations concerning the background of the reasons why the Courts supported the separation of church and state are lies and false. You have not responded to the citations I gave supporting this and acknowledging that it is supported that the origins of law and justice in the USA is attributed to many of the religions of the world.

The direct citations document that the founding fathers DID NOT consider the USA a Christian Nation.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Very serious! Your accusations concerning the background of the reasons why the Courts supported the separation of church and state are lies and false. You have not responded to the citations I gave supporting this and acknowledging that it is supported that the origins of law and justice in the USA is attributed to many of the religions of the world.

The direct citations document that the founding fathers DID NOT consider the USA a Christian Nation.

The direct citations document that the founding fathers DID consider the USA a Christian Nation.
Otherwise why would a people who believed in God, go against what they believed in to be true.

Your trying to say, the founding fathers even though they believed in God, would go against what they believed, to form a Nation that would not confirm to what they believed.
Let's see, if you or I, was to ask Atheists if they could start a Nation of their own, how would they establish that Nation to be.

I would guarantee they would not in no way establish their nation pertaining of anything that had to do with God.

But yet you expect people to believe that the founding fathers that believed in God, would not want a Nation pertaining to God.
But yet, the USA Declaration of Independence has God mention in it.

Therefore you have the direct citation document of the USA Declaration of Independence, showing the founding fathers as believing the USA as being a Christian Nation who believes in God.

 

[shunyadragon]

The direct citations document that the founding fathers DID consider the USA a Christian Nation.
Otherwise why would a people who believed in God, go against what they believed in to be true.

Your trying to say, the founding fathers even though they believed in God, would go against what they believed, to form a Nation that would not confirm to what they believed.
Let's see, if you or I, was to ask Atheists if they could start a Nation of their own, how would they establish that Nation to be.

I would guarantee they would not in no way establish their nation pertaining of anything that had to do with God.

But yet you expect people to believe that the founding fathers that believed in God, would not want a Nation pertaining to God.
But yet, the USA Declaration of Independence has God mention in it.

Therefore you have the direct citation document of the USA Declaration of Independence, showing the founding fathers as believing the USA as being a Christian Nation who believes in God.

Nothing you have cited by the founding fathers supports your delusion that they described the USA as a Christian Nation. That's a fact!!!! Absolutely nothing!!!!!

. . . but on the other hand direst citations I provided:

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." --John Adams.

“As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797,

. . . and my citations concerning what is on the supreme court building acknowledges the role and contribution of different religions of the world as the diverse sources of the nature of justice and the law of the USA.

Still waiting . . .

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Thanks for sharing. My upbringing was not that hard in a physical sense; although we were not well off, we had food and clothing and shelter. It was the emotional connection to the parents that was lacking, as they were not emotionally available or supportive. Then my father died suddenly of a heart attack when I was 12 years old and my sister and I were left with my mother who started drinking heavily after that. I do not remember a lot of childhood, I do not know exactly what went wrong or when, but I know I had a lot of deficits as a result.

You must appreciate all that you have given what you went through to get it. I was fortunate to have my first four years of college paid for because I had social security from my father’s death and I had an inheritance from an aunt who had no children, so left us money for college. But after I got my BA degree I went for an MA and I had to work my way through that program, and about 15 years later I decided to go back to school again and get a second MA degree and I had to work my way through that program as well. I was never good in science subjects; my college degrees are in geography and Counseling Psychology. I also have a D.Hom degree in Homeopathic Medicine. I have only ever used my Geography degree as I have been a Cartographer for my whole career, except for the eight years I got demoted due to state budget cuts. I had my own business as a Counselor for about a year but I finally gave p because I had too many things going on in my life back then that prevented that from working out.

I look forward to a slower pace of life if I ever retire. My job is not stressful at all, but having rental homes and many cats can be stressful. I do not want to complicate my life any more than it is complicated which is why I do not commit to any outside activities and spend most of my free time on forums. I really like talking to people on forums and I learn so much about people and what they believe and disbelieve. Psychology is my other hat, one I wore a lot longer than my religion hat.

As a believer I believe it is the human soul that differentiates man from the other animals, and it is the soul that makes us able to have abstract thought, unlike other animals. I talk to a lot of nonbelievers and the one is the owner of a forum I frequent who is a college professor in Physics, a PhD. He is an atheist so he has a lot of the same views you have about life and death and the purpose of life. As a believer, I do not believe that the purpose of life is to have children and survive long enough to pass on our genetic information. That is one purpose of life, but not the only one, not the primary one. To know and love God is the purpose for which we were created. We can only know God through the Prophets/ Messengers of God which Baha’is refer to as Manifestations of God. I do not know about loving God, as that is not something I have been able to do yet.

I do not believe in an afterlife because I am afraid of death but rather because I believe in my religion that states that there is an afterlife. Also, there is other evidence from NDEs and spirit communications. We are just different in the way we think, I find that interesting and do not think it should be a cause of division or discord between people.

That would be true if nature gave us life. I believe it is the soul that animates the body and gives it life. The soul is a sign of God, and etc. So I believe our primary purpose here is to prepare the soul to continue on its eternal journey.

Sorry, I did not understand what you meant by universal subjectivity and even after death. I do not make truth claims about my religion, I only say “I believe” it is true. There is a difference.

Again, thank you for sharing. I am curious why you do not seem aware of the significance of qualifying, or preferencing your statements in the third person, with "As a believer, I...."? I'm sure you know its behavioral significance. Also, the creation of life is beyond our control. Once the egg is fertilized, the results of millions of years of Evolutionary simply take over. Most of the time life develops and succeeds. But many times it doesn't. There is a clear distinction between life and soul. Although I don't believe in a soul, I agree that others do. Life can be observed, tested, verified, and predicted. None of these can apply to a soul. Since life began with a fertilized egg, and will grow into a body that is gender-specific, is the soul also gender-specific or neutral? Is it something that is greater than the sum of its parts, or merely the essence of life? Does an amoeba have a soul, or are humans the only living thing that have a soul? Why? Please don't say God said so. If the natural processes and mechanisms in Nature do not give us life, what other process or mechanism does? Please don't say God did it. I'm sure you are aware of this fallacy.

My theory is that there are two battles going on to gain control of the body. The first is trying to control the body through our basic and primitive needs(food, water, id, oxygen, and procreation). This is our natural instinctive drive, and is controlled by our genes and alleles at birth. No intervention is needed from any higher mental functions. Most animals are instinctively driven in this way. The second battle is the one going on in our psyche. This is the battle of the superego and ego, and the id. This battle only requires ANSWERS to win. It doesn't care whether the answers are real or imaginary. Just as long as they are answers. Damn that evolved pattern recognition gift. Where you stand in this battle, will affect the rate of development of your emotional, intellectual, mental, psychological, social, and physical growths. This prevents many of us from reaching different levels of maturity(EIMPSP).

It is unfortunate that we carry the scars from our first society(parents). But it is important not to be the victim. We may not have a "will power"(genetically controlled), but we certainly do have a "won't power"(mentally controlled). We can always choose not to action the over 4000 personality traits we were born with. We can't do much to our genes, but the brain can be reprogrammed(neural-plasticity). You certainly seem far too intelligent and sagacious a person, to willingly succumb to any scientifically unsupported doctrine. But then again, I could be wrong that there is no Santa Clause. Even though millions of kids disagree with me. Why IS LIFE NOT ENOUGH? I just don't get it. Don

 

[Truly Enlightened]

The original document of the Constitution and declaration of Independence which the founding fathers signed, had in no way the separation of church and State. Nor did they intend it.
Otherwise the founding fathers would be going against what they believed and the people of that day.

That's like saying Atheists would signed a document, which stood against religions and the belief in God, but yet you would expect people to believe, oh that's not Atheists ment, they ment they were for religions and the belief in God.
You can't be Serious.

Tell you what, you come up with a document that supports the belief in God and take it out to Atheists and see just how many Atheists you get to sign it. You will not get one Atheists to sign it. And if they do, then they are going against what they themselves believe.

Therefore the founding fathers would not signed any document that would go against what they believed in nor the people of that day. Otherwise the people of that would come up against them, then the founding fathers wouldn't just have great Britain to fight, but also the people of that day also.

Like I said, you put forth a document that supports in everyway of God and take it out and see just how many Atheists you can get to sign it.
If Atheists did sign it, they would not just be going against themselves but also every Atheist around.
But yet you would except people to believe that the founding fathers would do this very thing. Sign the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence, knowing it goes against the very thing they and the people of that day believe in God.
You can't be Serious.

I don't know any Atheist that are against or not believe in the existence of religions. They simple disbelieve that a God(s) exists. It is not hatred, dislike, or them having any animosity towards religions. It is just their disbelief in the existence of a God, because of the lack of evidence to support the existence of a God. If there were any documents that could independently support that existence, every Atheist would not hesitate to sign it. But if there was a document that would proved that God and Christ were all fictitious, believers would commit all manner of atrocities to prevent their faith from being exposed for what it is. In other words, very few real Christians would ever sign it. Atheist disbelief is based totally on the lack of evidence. But, a Believer's belief is based on cognitive dissonance and a total lack of critical thinking.

The exact words that the "Government should be separated from the church" are not in the Constitution. But the meaning is quite clear and understandable, except to those who see only what they want to see. Even when others point out to you fact after fact, case after case, to support their position, you simply ignore, deny, and cling to your weak and fallacious arguments, like a mindless babbling parrot. Please tell me that the argument supporting your position is not just a circular one? Are you saying that because the founding fathers were religious, they didn't want to offend the general religious population? So much so, that they wrote the Constitution to placate the religious concerns of the people? So our Constitution was based on not offending religious concerns. Therefore, the Constitution is a Religious or Holy document, not a Primary or Government document? This is probably the dumbest explanation I have ever heard from an adult.

The obvious question is "HOW DO YOU KNOW?" You don't know a thing. You simply spew out truth claims without evidence., or cherry pick out-of-context cites to present as your credible evidence. If you want to ignore the meaning of the "establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, then do so. If you want to ignore the significance of how the Supreme Court has ruled since 1769, then do so. If you can't offer another explanation as to why these rulings clearly protect us from the, indoctrination practices, prejudices, bigotry, ostracisms, and elitist behavior, committed by the hordes of religious zealots who think they are only doing God's work, then just ignore that as well. As I've stated before, just cling to your ignorance and preach to the choir, because the world of logic is not the same as the world of fantasy. Denial will always be the safe refuge for uncertainty.

Finally, it is the Constitution that is the document that supports your right to believe any silly ridiculous thing you want, including your belief in a God. It is also that same Constitution that protects me from people like you from trampling all over my freedoms(life, liberty, and my pursuit of happiness), simply because I don't believe in such rubbish.

 

[Faithofchristian]

I don't know any Atheist that are against or not believe in the existence of religions. They simple disbelieve that a God(s) exists. It is not hatred, dislike, or them having any animosity towards religions. It is just their disbelief in the existence of a God, because of the lack of evidence to support the existence of a God. If there were any documents that could independently support that existence, every Atheist would not hesitate to sign it. But if there was a document that would proved that God and Christ were all fictitious, believers would commit all manner of atrocities to prevent their faith from being exposed for what it is. In other words, very few real Christians would ever sign it. Atheist disbelief is based totally on the lack of evidence. But, a Believer's belief is based on cognitive dissonance and a total lack of critical thinking.

The exact words that the "Government should be separated from the church" are not in the Constitution. But the meaning is quite clear and understandable, except to those who see only what they want to see. Even when others point out to you fact after fact, case after case, to support their position, you simply ignore, deny, and cling to your weak and fallacious arguments, like a mindless babbling parrot. Please tell me that the argument supporting your position is not just a circular one? Are you saying that because the founding fathers were religious, they didn't want to offend the general religious population? So much so, that they wrote the Constitution to placate the religious concerns of the people? So our Constitution was based on not offending religious concerns. Therefore, the Constitution is a Religious or Holy document, not a Primary or Government document? This is probably the dumbest explanation I have ever heard from an adult.

The obvious question is "HOW DO YOU KNOW?" You don't know a thing. You simply spew out truth claims without evidence., or cherry pick out-of-context cites to present as your credible evidence. If you want to ignore the meaning of the "establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment to the Constitution, then do so. If you want to ignore the significance of how the Supreme Court has ruled since 1769, then do so. If you can't offer another explanation as to why these rulings clearly protect us from the, indoctrination practices, prejudices, bigotry, ostracisms, and elitist behavior, committed by the hordes of religious zealots who think they are only doing God's work, then just ignore that as well. As I've stated before, just cling to your ignorance and preach to the choir, because the world of logic is not the same as the world of fantasy. Denial will always be the safe refuge for uncertainty.

Finally, it is the Constitution that is the document that supports your right to believe any silly ridiculous thing you want, including your belief in a God. It is also that same Constitution that protects me from people like you from trampling all over my freedoms(life, liberty, and my pursuit of happiness), simply because I don't believe in such rubbish.

Did you know that back in 1782, that Congress of the USA, printed a Bible for America and said:
"The United States in Congress assembled
recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States... a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools"
United States Congress 1782.

Congress passed this resolution.
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

"The Declaration of Independence laid the Cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"
John Adams

"By law the United States Congress adds to U.S coinage
"In God we Trust"
United States Congress 1864.

"We have this day, Fourth of July, restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient, He reigns in Heaven and from the rising to the sitting of the sun, Let His kingdom come"
Samuel Adams

 

[Faithofchristian]

Nothing you have cited by the founding fathers supports your delusion that they described the USA as a Christian Nation. That's a fact!!!! Absolutely nothing!!!!!

. . . but on the other hand direst citations I provided:

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." --John Adams.

“As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797,

. . . and my citations concerning what is on the supreme court building acknowledges the role and contribution of different religions of the world as the diverse sources of the nature of justice and the law of the USA.

Still waiting . . .

United States Congress printed a Bible for America and said.
"The United States in Congress assembled... recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States...a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools"
United States Congress 1782.

Congress passed this resolution,
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

"The Declaration of Independence laid the Cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"
John Adams

By law the United States Congress adds to
U.S coinage
"In God we Trust"
United States Congress 1864

"We have this day, fourth of July, restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient, He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come"
Samuel Adams

"We beseech God to pardon our national and other transgressions"
George Washington
Thanksgiving proclamation 1789


"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits and humbly to implore His protection and favor"
George Washington 1789

U.S. History Quotes
https://www.usa


Where as people will say, that the bible has no place in schools, Well Congress establish a law back in 1782 recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools, Therefore it's a set law by
Congress 1782.

 

[shunyadragon]

United States Congress printed a Bible for America and said.
"The United States in Congress assembled... recommend this edition of the bible to the inhabitants of the United States...a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools"
United States Congress 1782.

Congress passed this resolution,
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

"The Declaration of Independence laid the Cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"
John Adams

By law the United States Congress adds to
U.S coinage
"In God we Trust"
United States Congress 1864

"We have this day, fourth of July, restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient, He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His kingdom come"
Samuel Adams

"We beseech God to pardon our national and other transgressions"
George Washington
Thanksgiving proclamation 1789


"It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the Providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits and humbly to implore His protection and favor"
George Washington 1789

U.S. History Quotes
https://www.usa


Where as people will say, that the bible has no place in schools, Well Congress establish a law back in 1782 recommends and approves the Holy Bible to be use in all schools, Therefore it's a set law by Congress 1782.

Nothing you have cited by the founding fathers supports your delusion that they described the USA as a Christian Nation. That's a fact!!!! Absolutely nothing!!!!!

. . . but on the other hand direst citations I provided:

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." --John Adams.

“As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797,

. . . and my citations concerning what is on the supreme court building acknowledges the role and contribution of different religions of the world as the diverse sources of the nature of justice and the law of the USA.

Despite your erroneous claims the decisions of the courts based on the separation of church and state are based on the interpretations of the founding fathers.

Still waiting . . .

 

[Faithofchristian]

Nothing you have cited by the founding fathers supports your delusion that they described the USA as a Christian Nation. That's a fact!!!! Absolutely nothing!!!!!

. . . but on the other hand direst citations I provided:

"The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." --John Adams.

“As the government of the United States of America is not on any sense founded on the Christian Religion" ~ Treaty of Tripoli; initiated under President George Washington, 1796, signed into law by President John Adams, 1797,

. . . and my citations concerning what is on the supreme court building acknowledges the role and contribution of different religions of the world as the diverse sources of the nature of justice and the law of the USA.

Despite your erroneous claims the decisions of the courts based on the separation of church and state are based on the interpretations of the founding fathers.

Still waiting . . .

So you say, which mounts to nothing, the Founding fathers as I have given, should tell you where they all stood on Christianity in the United States.
You try and take one quote from John Adams and try to build a whole mountain off of it.

Just because someone will say something, does not mean that's how it is.
First to establish anything, you have to have other witnesses to back them up.

I suppose that if someone said something against you, that would stand up.
So one person voice, stands without having anyone or proof of what they say to be right.

Therefore as far as I have search out, I find no other founding fathers saying the same thing as John Adams did.
So all you have is, one voice standing by himself. Without any proof or evidence to support what he said. By any of the other founding fathers.

But what we do have is John Adams saying about
"The Declaration of Independence laid the Cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"
John Adams

It doesn't take but Common Sense to figure out where the founding fathers stood in and about the USA as a Christian Nation.

But yet you believe the founding fathers would go against what they believe in God.

For every quote the founding fathers given, shows they believe in God, and this Nation was built off the first precepts of Christianity.

As you can see what John Adams said about the Declaration of Independence laid the Cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"
John Adams.

 

[Truly Enlightened]

Did you know that back in 1782, that Congress of the USA, printed a Bible for America and said:
"The United States in Congress assembled
recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States... a neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of schools"
United States Congress 1782.

Congress passed this resolution.
"The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools"
United States Congress 1782.

"The Declaration of Independence laid the Cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"
John Adams

"By law the United States Congress adds to U.S coinage
"In God we Trust"
United States Congress 1864.

"We have this day, Fourth of July, restored the sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient, He reigns in Heaven and from the rising to the sitting of the sun, Let His kingdom come"
Samuel Adams

Are you even capable of intellectual honesty? The Continental Congress DID NOT print the bible to be used by innocent school kids. This is a myth to somehow prove that the intentions of our founding fathers, was NOT to separate the church from the State. The truth is that Congress simply granted one of many request by Robert Aitken, the publisher of The Pennsylvania Magazine. In 1781 he requested that the Continental Congress have their chaplin confirm the accuracy of his bible(Aitken's Bible). Congress NEVER commissioned, imported, printed, financed, distributed, or recommended the Bible to congress or our school children. This would be a blatant violation of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. The Government would seem to be favouring the Christian religious text, more so than another religious text. There might be an argument to be made as to why Congress was so keen to allow Aitkens to print his Bible. That reason being, that all Christian Bibles were printed in Britain. It was illegal to print them in the Colonies. No, Mr. Beck, Congress Did Not Print a Bible for the Use of Schools | HuffPost

"Under God" was inserted into the the pledge of allegiance in 1956, because Eisenhower decided to make "In God we Trust" the new nation's motto. It later appeared in 1957 on our one dollar note. Before 1956, our nation's motto was "E pluribus unum"(out of many, one). In 1863-4 Abraham Lincoln's Secretary of Treasury decided that a new motto(not nation's) should be engraved on all coinage. This was accomplished through the "Coinage Act". Thus, "In God We Trust" was engraved on coinage.

None of these administrative processes and government protocol have anything to do with how the Constitution protects the rights of others, who do not share in your madness. Maybe it's a good thing that there are enough cites to cherry-pick. At least this allows you to self-placate and self- assuage your religious security blanket. Because God help us all when you eventually realize, just how much of a waste of human potential you appear to critical thinkers. If your entire psyche is dependent on supernatural intervention for guidance, then there is no room left for logic, intuition, or critical thinking.

 

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[Faithofchristian]

Are you even capable of intellectual honesty? The Continental Congress DID NOT print the bible to be used by innocent school kids. This is a myth to somehow prove that the intentions of our founding fathers, was NOT to separate the church from the State. The truth is that Congress simply granted one of many request by Robert Aitken, the publisher of The Pennsylvania Magazine. In 1781 he requested that the Continental Congress have their chaplin confirm the accuracy of his bible(Aitken's Bible). Congress NEVER commissioned, imported, printed, financed, distributed, or recommended the Bible to congress or our school children. This would be a blatant violation of the Establishment Clause of the 1st Amendment. The Government would seem to be favouring the Christian religious text, more so than another religious text. There might be an argument to be made as to why Congress was so keen to allow Aitkens to print his Bible. That reason being, that all Christian Bibles were printed in Britain. It was illegal to print them in the Colonies. No, Mr. Beck, Congress Did Not Print a Bible for the Use of Schools | HuffPost

"Under God" was inserted into the the pledge of allegiance in 1956, because Eisenhower decided to make "In God we Trust" the new nation's motto. It later appeared in 1957 on our one dollar note. Before 1956, our nation's motto was "E pluribus unum"(out of many, one). In 1863-4 Abraham Lincoln's Secretary of Treasury decided that a new motto(not nation's) should be engraved on all coinage. This was accomplished through the "Coinage Act". Thus, "In God We Trust" was engraved on coinage.

None of these administrative processes and government protocol have anything to do with how the Constitution protects the rights of others, who do not share in your madness. Maybe it's a good thing that there are enough cites to cherry-pick. At least this allows you to self-placate and self- assuage your religious security blanket. Because God help us all when you eventually realize, just how much of a waste of human potential you appear to critical thinkers. If your entire psyche is dependent on supernatural intervention for guidance, then there is no room left for logic, intuition, or critical thinking.

It's just like you, to come out against something that you can not handle.
Seeing it's all there, well it all stands as is..whether you like it or not. So you have been (Truely Enlightened) Ha,ha good day

 

[Truly Enlightened]

It's just like you, to come out against something that you can not handle.
Seeing it's all there, well it all stands as is..whether you like it or not. So you have been (Truely Enlightened) Ha,ha good day

Something I can not handle? Did I mention how Aitken couldn't sell his Bibles? How he also went broke? How he was so desperate, that he blamed Congress for his failure, and why he felt Congress should make him the official printer for Congress? As with all of his other requests, Congress said no. A fitting end for another commercial opportunist. I would suggest that in the future, you research your programmed parroted assertions for accuracy, before you deposit them as evidence of truth. This will avoid embarrassment to even the least enlightened.

It is your self-serving version of events that is not there, and does not stand up, and you obviously don't like it. I am simply happy that our Constitution protects critical thinkers and other non-believers, from the creeping encroachment of Religious Dogmatism. If not for our Constitution we would return to the Dark Ages, where science, individuality, originality, and critical thinking, were discouraged. I would gladly sacrifice my life for your right to worship any nonsense you want. As long as your practices do not interfere with my liberty, life, and pursuit of happiness.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Something I can not handle? Did I mention how Aitken couldn't sell his Bibles? How he also went broke? How he was so desperate, that he blamed Congress for his failure, and why he felt Congress should make him the official printer for Congress? As with all of his other requests, Congress said no. A fitting end for another commercial opportunist. I would suggest that in the future, you research your programmed parroted assertions for accuracy, before you deposit them as evidence of truth. This will avoid embarrassment to even the least enlightened.

It is your self-serving version of events that is not there, and does not stand up, and you obviously don't like it. I am simply happy that our Constitution protects critical thinkers and other non-believers, from the creeping encroachment of Religious Dogmatism. If not for our Constitution we would return to the Dark Ages, where science, individuality, originality, and critical thinking, were discouraged. I would gladly sacrifice my life for your right to worship any nonsense you want. As long as your practices do not interfere with my liberty, life, and pursuit of happiness.

Look it was Congress of the United States that sign into law, that pass this resolution
recommends and approves the Holy Bible for the use in all Schools"
United States Congress 1782.

So it doesn't matter what you say or much you jump up down and kick your feet.

The United States Congress approves the Holy Bible for this use in all Schools.
Congress 1782.

I bet that just eats away at you, now doesn't it.
Congress printed a Bible for America and said,
"The United States in Congress assembled
.... recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States.... A neat edition of the Holy Scriptures for the use of Schools"
United States Congress 1782.

The most widely bible being used at that time, was the KJV 1611.And the schools did use the KJV 1611 Bible.
Therefore as it was sat down by the United States Congress, schools can use and students can bring the bible to their schools. And there's nothing the schools or you can do about it.