Israel attacks gaza strip

[kai]

your talks is based on assumptions, my talk is based on what's already going on right now.
you ASSUME that palestinians wake every day and the idea of "how to destruct israel" is going on on his head, you say that yes i say that Hamas follow the Hamas charter and are not interested in Peace

and i say Israel ACTUALLY destroyed Palestine, killed hundreds of thousands, and made millions live in refugee camps for tenth of years. there was no "Palestine to destroy, and the Arabs have the choice two party state or try to destroy Israel

now, we are judjing on palestinians because they bear an idea
and leave out israel who doing ? I dont judge Palestinians Just their leaders who seem hell bent on martyring as many of their people as possible

now the question is:
which's first, Palestinians hating Zionists? or zionists actings (+ hating ofcourse) against palestinians ?

yes the chicken and the egg , but still no talk of peace my friend , tell me honestly is there in your opinion room for Israel? or is the goal to dismantle it?

 

[kai]

since pkk want to go back to some maps drown centuries ago, not pkk and Hamas but pkk and Israel are alike.

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if we follow maps maybe Turkey should have palestine and Israel,Ottoman land for long time.

 

[.lava]

yes the chicken and the egg , but still no talk of peace my friend , tell me honestly is there in your opinion room for Israel? or is the goal to dismantle it?

it is not as complicated as chicken and egg. because history does not change. Jewish came along and bought land from Arabs then they announced those lands as Israel the nation. that would be like hundreds of Japanese came along to UK and bought vast farms from English people then announce that land their own nation with their own flag seperated from UK and eventually against UK. if you think you'd be OK with it, then you're way tooooo open minded than i thought.

look, more Israeli kills means chance for peace is disappearing more. Gazan already living under seige and they are getting killed. Israel also bombs hospitals and kill nurses and doctors. there are dozens of dead kids. many dead women. too many wounded and still being bombed in hospital beds. you're looking for peace talk. i respect that but i do not think this is what Israel wants. i also can not imagine Palestinian would want to shake hands with Israel, they would see them as murderers of their kids, their wives...etc.

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[.lava]

if we follow maps maybe Turkey should have palestine and Israel,Ottoman land for long time.

hmmm....matter of fact, Palestine land register is still in Turkiye.

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[kai]

it is not as complicated as chicken and egg. because history does not change. Jewish came along and bought land from Arabs then they announced those lands as Israel the nation. that would be like hundreds of Japanese came along to UK and bought vast farms from English people then announce that land their own nation with their own flag seperated from UK and eventually against UK. if you think you'd be OK with it, then you're way tooooo open minded than i thought.

look, more Israeli kills means chance for peace is disappearing more. Gazan already living under seige and they are getting killed. Israel also bombs hospitals and kill nurses and doctors. there are dozens of dead kids. many dead women. too many wounded and still being bombed in hospital beds. you're looking for peace talk. i respect that but i do not think this is what Israel wants. i also can not imagine Palestinian would want to shake hands with Israel, they would see them as murderers of their kids, their wives...etc.

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time to stop looking back , there are two unalterable facts here,

1 the Palestinians are not going away

2 the Israelis are not going away.



do we all of us want peace or not. is the furure only war decade after decade, or ,i ask you flat out Lava can the Muslims/Arabs live with the existence of Israel or not.

if the answer is yes then its time for the men of war to hand over the reigns to the men of peace.

if the answer is no then its a war that will out last us all and beyond.

 

[kai]

hmmm....matter of fact, Palestine land register is still in Turkiye.

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yes and while you are at it give back constantinople

 

[.lava]

time to stop looking back , there are two unalterable facts here,

1 the Palestinians are not going away

2 the Israelis are not going away.



do we all of us want peace or not. is the furure only war decade after decade, or ,i ask you flat out Lava can the Muslims/Arabs live with the existence of Israel or not.

if the answer is yes then its time for the men of war to hand over the reigns to the men of peace.

if the answer is no then its a war that will out last us all and beyond.

how do two nations make deal, Kai? Israel, after Hamas was elected, refused to make deal with Hamas. they make deals with Al-Fatah but Palestinian do not want Al-Fatah and they do not see them as their leaders. now solve this problem please. then ask me your questions.

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[kai]

how do two nations make deal, Kai? Israel, after Hamas was elected, refused to make deal with Hamas. they make deals with Al-Fatah but Palestinian do not want Al-Fatah and they do not see them as their leaders. now solve this problem please. then ask me your questions.

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simple Hamas renounce violence recognise Israel and make a Palestinians state their priority or the palestinians must get rid of them

 

[.lava]

yes and while you are at it give back constantinople

there is only one way to get it, and you know it very well. that's the plan though, pkk gets Kurdistan, Northern Turkiye become Rum Pontus again and finally Istanbul becomes Byzantium.

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[kai]

there is only one way to get it, and you know it very well. that's the plan though, pkk gets Kurdistan, Northern Turkiye become Rum Pontus again and finally Istanbul becomes Byzantium.

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Lava you are scary sometimes

 

[.lava]

simple Hamas renounce violence recognise Israel and make a Palestinians state their priority or the palestinians must get rid of them

nope, they never give Palestinian authority to Palestinian. they put a CIA agent on the top. the last word in everything about domestic security of >Palestine belongs to CIA. this is what Hamas rejects and what Al-Fatah accept and therefor they are called betrayals.

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[.lava]

Lava you are scary sometimes

oh i am sorry, i did not mean to be scary but these stuff is what our public talks about.

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[Jayhawker Soule]

The fact of the matter is that terrorism escalates precisely when hope - anathema to Hamas/Hizbullah - appears on the horizon. The context for this escalation was

• an intensifying schism between Egypt/Jordan and the terrorist forces aligned with Tehran,
• evolving negotiations between Israel and Syria,
• the geo-political impact of a drop in oil prices,
• the upcoming Israeli elections, and
• the soon to be installed Obama/Clinton administration.

Hamas relies on crisis and misery and folks like you who promote and otherwise enable both.

What the hell are you talking about?!! And what hope do you mean?! ... the context you mentioned absolutly doesnt have anything to do with the rocket attacks!!

Such a convenient ignorance. :clap

 

[kai]

nope, they never give Palestinian authority to Palestinian. they put a CIA agent on the top. the last word in everything about domestic security of >Palestine belongs to CIA. this is what Hamas rejects and what Al-Fatah accept and therefor they are called betrayals.

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Lava this is wrong , you live in a movie, everyone wants two party state , the west is waiting with much investment, it can work honestly dont listen to all this anti western stuff. even Turkey is willing to help with the valley of Peace initiative

Valley of Peace initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



all that stands in the way is an intransigent Palestiniam leadership, who only cares about destroying Israel.

 

[kai]

oh i am sorry, i did not mean to be scary but these stuff is what our public talks about.

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thats whats scary, its a complete nonsence, where does this come from there is so much anti western propoganda in Muslim countries.

 

[.lava]

Lava this is wrong , you live in a movie, everyone wants two party state , the west is waiting with much investment, it can work honestly dont listen to all this anti western stuff. even Turkey is willing to help with the valley of Peace initiative

Valley of Peace initiative - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



all that stands in the way is an intransigent Palestiniam leadership, who only cares about destroying Israel.

i know that our government is trying to help peace therefor they accepted Hamas leaders whne they were elected. but first thing Israel was do was to give negative reaction to Turkiye. Hamas could have stopped fighting. but their men were arrested. well...i don't know Kai, this is like a cancer. all i can say is more Israel bombs civilians they are actually bombing peace chance. this is obvious. why don't they simply get in Gaza and capture Hamas? they have all the weapons and high tech stuff. i would not believe if they say they can not. they even know where tunnels are, right? why do they prefer to bomb?

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[.lava]

thats whats scary, its a complete nonsence, where does this come from there is so much anti western propoganda in Muslim countries.

oh no no no...that is anot about propaganda dear Kai. that is a fact, PROVEN over and over again. there are many things going on. such as Israeli women who's 9 months pregnant come to Eastern Turkiye and give birht to their child in Urfa for example. people of Urfa know it, so do we. it is not propaganda. it is a living fact, reality.

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[kai]

oh no no no...that is anot about propaganda dear Kai. that is a fact, PROVEN over and over again. there are many things going on. such as Israeli women who's 9 months pregnant come to Eastern Turkiye and give birht to their child in Urfa for example. people of Urfa know it, so do we. it is not propaganda. it is a living fact, reality.

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what! what are they doing ?

 

[kai]

i know that our government is trying to help peace therefor they accepted Hamas leaders whne they were elected. but first thing Israel was do was to give negative reaction to Turkiye. Hamas could have stopped fighting. but their men were arrested. well...i don't know Kai, this is like a cancer. all i can say is more Israel bombs civilians they are actually bombing peace chance. this is obvious. why don't they simply get in Gaza and capture Hamas? they have all the weapons and high tech stuff. i would not believe if they say they can not. they even know where tunnels are, right? why do they prefer to bomb?

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because they dont have a martyrdom frame of mind they value their soldiers and will not risk them until they have to.

 

[.lava]

what! what are they doing ?

giving birth to their babies in promised land. don't you know 'promised land' includes some part of Turkey? don't you know Israelis bought land from Eastern Turkey?

ahh never mind Kai. we are not governments anyway. according to my belief this is destiny and noone could stop it. i just feel sad. no need to argue, cos no solution. we will sit down and watch. after it is over, if we both were still alive we talk about it.

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